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by Paul Waine
Sat Sep 26, 2020 12:28 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?
Replies: 81
Views: 3722

Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Sean Dyche is brilliant at "dead pan" comedy. I don't see anything disrespectful in speaking about the "magic cheque book." I can imagine Sean Dyche and Mike Garlick having a little chuckle together how some have reacted to his little quips. It is a nice friendly way of saying to the media "please d...
by Paul Waine
Sat Sep 26, 2020 12:20 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Leyton Orient - and the action taken against them
Replies: 77
Views: 1634

Re: Leyton Orient - and the action taken against them

In accordance with the rules it was right to exclude them and give Spurs a bye. However, what would happen if a Government directive prevented two teams from playing, like a total lock-down, which team would get the bye in that case ? When you are in uncharted waters common sense and " doing the ri...
by Paul Waine
Sat Sep 26, 2020 12:02 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Leyton Orient - and the action taken against them
Replies: 77
Views: 1634

Re: Leyton Orient - and the action taken against them

Agreed. Does the rule seem reasonable? Yes. Did Orient know the rule in advance? If not then it was their own fault. Have the League applied the rule? Yes. Have a load of other teams who didn't get tested also come down with Covid? Remains to be seen but no evidence so far. It seems unfair but life...
by Paul Waine
Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:55 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Leyton Orient - and the action taken against them
Replies: 77
Views: 1634

Re: Leyton Orient - and the action taken against them

That wasn't £30k and still do your full-time job though (and no guarantee of it coming back to you if these clubs end up in administration). Macclesfield's problems started way before Covid. Would you view it as reasonable if other businesses took the same view? If Rolls Royce said that if you want...
by Paul Waine
Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:54 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Ashley Westwood....
Replies: 48
Views: 2341

Re: Ashley Westwood....

summitclaret wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:35 pm
Fantastic news. Just had to be done.
It's the announcement we've all been waiting for.

Well done, Ashley Westwood.

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by Paul Waine
Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:52 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital...
Replies: 557
Views: 28968

Re: ALK Capital...

Apparently they (these Americans) approached the previous stall holders and made a bid which was accepted and then (ALMOST unbelievably) they managed to pass the allegedly stringent "Black Pudding Stall Holders Fit and Proper Owners Test", yet still ran it into the ground within 6 months! I'm speec...
by Paul Waine
Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:50 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Leyton Orient - and the action taken against them
Replies: 77
Views: 1634

Re: Leyton Orient - and the action taken against them

The rules that you keep quoting were written long before the Covid situation arose and no one could have forseen the consequences of it. Even Jurgen Klopp is saying today that little clubs should get more financial help from the bigger clubs. Had Orient had that sort of help, then maybe they would ...
by Paul Waine
Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:46 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Leyton Orient - and the action taken against them
Replies: 77
Views: 1634

Re: Leyton Orient - and the action taken against them

A league 2 player having 25% (£100 a test, twice a week, £40k avg salary) lopped off their wages for testing seems pretty harsh. What level have the gov't capped the furlough scheme, was it equivalent of £30k p.a? It may be a big chunk of wages, but it's not forever - and would be paid back when th...
by Paul Waine
Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:38 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital...
Replies: 557
Views: 28968

Re: ALK Capital...

Dark Cloud wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:26 pm
Bought by Americans (apparently) and went bust and closed within 6 months. A cautionary tale I'd suggest! ;)
Anyone want to buy a black pudding? Great prices. No assets or covering, just the black pudding in it's natural state. ;) :lol:
by Paul Waine
Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:26 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Leyton Orient - and the action taken against them
Replies: 77
Views: 1634

Re: Leyton Orient - and the action taken against them

They are also supposed to help clubs in time of need, not just throw the book at them without a second thought. I'm not sure what there was to think about. The rules were agreed before the comp started. All the clubs knew the rules. It was Leyton chairman who was asking for "second thought" when th...
by Paul Waine
Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:22 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Leyton Orient - and the action taken against them
Replies: 77
Views: 1634

Re: Leyton Orient - and the action taken against them

So basically the message they are giving out: Don't test your players. If you do, you could be punished for doing such a thing. As I've posted above, I'm guessing the clubs voted against the obligation to test the players. It would have been better and make more sense to reduce wages so that money ...
by Paul Waine
Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:19 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Leyton Orient - and the action taken against them
Replies: 77
Views: 1634

Re: Leyton Orient - and the action taken against them

You talk about other businesses struggling and I understand that, but those businesses aren't operating under the rules of another organisation such as the FA, Football League or EPL. What's the point of following that umbrella organisation's rules, if that umbrella doesn't protect you when it rain...
by Paul Waine
Fri Sep 25, 2020 12:48 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Leyton Orient - and the action taken against them
Replies: 77
Views: 1634

Re: Leyton Orient - and the action taken against them

How are clubs like Leyton Orient expected to pay for testing when they have no money coming in? With other businesses such as restaurants, they at least get some income, but where is that money coming from for lower league clubs? How much does a test cost? How much do they pay their players in wage...
by Paul Waine
Fri Sep 25, 2020 12:43 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Leyton Orient - and the action taken against them
Replies: 77
Views: 1634

Re: Leyton Orient - and the action taken against them

It's not much of an incentive for clubs to test their players when it isn't compulsory is it? I think it should have been a massive, £150,000 tv money incentive for Leyton to keep their players safe from covid-19 infection. The rules re a team not being able to field a team we agreed before the com...
by Paul Waine
Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:08 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital...
Replies: 557
Views: 28968

Re: ALK Capital...

SD already uses a lot of data in managing the club. We have people employed under him with this specific remit. From that point of view I think a money ball type operation is not as far away from his own beliefs as some fans would assume. It’s worked well for Brentford and that’s with them spending...
by Paul Waine
Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:54 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital...
Replies: 557
Views: 28968

Re: ALK Capital...

No, they've been asking for change, and now it looks like they may get it, they say they don't like it, even before they know what it is. Nothing stranger than folk. Hi Gordaleman, are any of us surprised about this most predictable of responses? "The club needs investment," "Sean Dyche needs to be...
by Paul Waine
Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:42 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital...
Replies: 557
Views: 28968

Re: ALK Capital...

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by Paul Waine
Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:40 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital...
Replies: 557
Views: 28968

Re: ALK Capital...

Isn't that because, even if they buy all of MG's shares, they still won't own more than 50%? As with most private companies, I'd expect there is a shareholders' agreement in place that governs the transfer of shares from any shareholder to other shareholders, including new potential shareholders. S...
by Paul Waine
Fri Sep 25, 2020 12:14 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 5312
Views: 371750

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

The Daily Mail's Martin Samuel thinks Sean Dyche had a point the other day - he is one of a small group MARTIN SAMUEL: Sean Dyche is right, it's one rule for Amazon and another for top flight clubs... high street retailers could do with learning from football's proposed largesse - Sean Dyche has sp...
by Paul Waine
Thu Sep 24, 2020 7:08 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Stephens is finally a Claret
Replies: 70
Views: 4093

Re: ARTICLE: Stephens is finally a Claret

Welcome to Burnley, Dale Stephens.

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by Paul Waine
Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:42 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Harry Wilson
Replies: 244
Views: 25509

Re: Harry Wilson

Doesn't matter if he's left footed, if he's primarily a right winger. If he is comfortable at using the most appropriate foot for the position/circumstances he is in it will be great. Vydra could have had an earlier goal last night if he'd gone with his left foot, rather than stretching and not con...
by Paul Waine
Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:35 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Tark - transfer
Replies: 1020
Views: 72040

Re: Tark - transfer

The West Ham way: soaring wages, bad recruitment and blaming fans The club have never been far away from a crisis under the ownership of Sullivan and Gold The Times, Matt Dickinson, 5pm Thurs 24th. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/57045a16-fe7b-11ea-8eac-e356e4cd0308?shareToken=e308cc87e71829c5f3...
by Paul Waine
Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:16 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: August and the heating has gone on
Replies: 104
Views: 2642

Re: August and the heating has gone on

tiger76 wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:12 pm
Autumn's coming :)

UK's coldest September night in more than 20 yearshttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland- ... -54278543
T-shirt and shorts weather for a guy who grew up in N.E.Lancs and living down London for past +30 years. ;)
by Paul Waine
Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:11 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital...
Replies: 557
Views: 28968

Re: ALK Capital...

I have returned to post on this, just as I joined Clarets Mad, when the ground was to be sold, all those years ago. Investment is required. There will ve a real loss of identity, for the club and maybe even the town. Rather than all those frightening thoughts of changing everything, if we can retai...
by Paul Waine
Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:58 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital...
Replies: 557
Views: 28968

Re: ALK Capital...

MACCA makes a fair point. If there is going to be investment in the area, then the infrastructure to support that will need a huge uplift. There’s a ridiculous shortage of hotels/beds in and around Burnley. This has been well discussed on here before. Redeveloping the CFS, and bolting on say a 120 ...
by Paul Waine
Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:55 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Stephens deal imminent
Replies: 232
Views: 19165

Re: Stephens deal imminent

FactualFrank wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:42 pm
Stephens confirmation today.
Takeover confirmation tomorrow.
Harry Wilson confirmation Saturday.

I could live with that.
and 3 points at the w/end.

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by Paul Waine
Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:20 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Dyche comments on potential financial help in sport
Replies: 44
Views: 2457

Re: Dyche comments on potential financial help in sport

While looking at some of the condemnation of Dyche's comments I came across this which reads like it was written by long time poster and forum Stalwart PSTOTTO - Scream If You Wanna Go Faster Think Capitalism is Destroying Football? We Haven’t Seen Anything Yet… JaHa Aug 26 · 4 min read It’s not as...
by Paul Waine
Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:01 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Stephens deal imminent
Replies: 232
Views: 19165

Re: Stephens deal imminent

dpinsussex wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:57 pm
Its a long drive to Burnley from Brighton.
ah, stuck on the M6 through B'ham... ;)

or typed Burnsley into his sat nav? ;)

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by Paul Waine
Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:52 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital...
Replies: 557
Views: 28968

Re: ALK Capital...

How are they going to add a spur to the M65, plus the carparking spaces (all with elec charges, of course) so that the 40,000 home fans, plus 4,000 away fans (10%) and the 4,000 visiting (tourist) fans can all get there in comfort? Mentioning elec charging, makes me think one of the long since close...
by Paul Waine
Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:46 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital...
Replies: 557
Views: 28968

Re: ALK Capital...

If it should happen, expect the re-naming of Turf Moor to be one the first things, Walmart Field anyone? Hi Kate, don't you think Lidl Turf Moor and Lidl Burnley have more of a familiar ring to them? We will all be against "selling out" and adding a brand name.... until someone explains that it wil...
by Paul Waine
Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:06 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital...
Replies: 557
Views: 28968

Re: ALK Capital...

I'm sure most of us would agree that Sean Dyche is the key asset of Burnley FC. You would think that any knowledgable football investors who recognise that Burnley FC are a well-positioned club to take forward, will equally recognise the contribution that the manager and his staff have made in esta...
by Paul Waine
Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:57 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital...
Replies: 557
Views: 28968

Re: ALK Capital...

I like your optimism. Why not buy a different team for a much cheaper value? Rovers or Bolton? Apart from currently being in the premier league (which of course demands a huge price premium) why pick Burnley? My guess (I knew nothing about ALK Capital before today) is that it fits their plans to bu...
by Paul Waine
Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:45 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Dyche comments on potential financial help in sport
Replies: 44
Views: 2457

Re: Dyche comments on potential financial help in sport

It was a press conference about tonight’s game. It wasn’t a question posed by The Guardian as your post suggested. My second post said "Am I safe to assume a member of the media asked the question." Your response that "It wasn't a question posed by The Guardian.." made me take another look at the l...
by Paul Waine
Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:46 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Millwall vs Burnley Thread
Replies: 227
Views: 12415

Re: Millwall vs Burnley Thread

Is anybody who purchased last weeks game having problems purchasing this weeks game? Mine keeps telling me to log in, which I do then if you click buy pass it takes you to the register screen again. If you click watch live it tells you to log in even if you're already logged in. Very, very annoying...
by Paul Waine
Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:43 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Millwall vs Burnley Thread
Replies: 227
Views: 12415

Re: Millwall vs Burnley Thread

Goodness. Team selection suggests we are selling Pope and Tarks No, this is a cup game, so BPF starts in goal and we give games to some of our development squad. last week was different, our first competitive game. Tarks injured last week - and w/end. Who knows how his injury is going, or if there ...
by Paul Waine
Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:02 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital...
Replies: 557
Views: 28968

Re: ALK Capital...

This is very much it. They will be putting a lot of finance into the club but It's a case of the bigger picture financially. They are prepared, short term to take a hit on the club short term because it's viable and sustainable and investing in the NW seems to be very popular. Lots of potential. I ...
by Paul Waine
Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:57 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital...
Replies: 557
Views: 28968

Re: ALK Capital...

I was referring to ALK but he isn't going anywhere :lol: Hi BW, yes, I know your reference was to ALK. There was also mention of "marquee signing." To me and I suspect many others, retaining JT will be one or our marquee signings. Proof, of course, is on the team sheet. Well done on your scoop, btw...
by Paul Waine
Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:53 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital...
Replies: 557
Views: 28968

Re: ALK Capital...

Wile E Coyote wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:50 pm
how would a company such as ALK expect to see a return for their investors over a specific timeframe ?
There's no reason why ALK aren't "long term capital." I don't think it's Burnley FC where they will aim to make their money. Opportunities, including digital around the Northern Powerhouse.
by Paul Waine
Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:51 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital...
Replies: 557
Views: 28968

Re: ALK Capital...

BenWickes wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:48 pm
It would make sense. Possibly leaked early to push it through the final stages. I didn't expect this to come out for a couple more days yet.
I've just looked at the time. In 10 mins or so we may know if Jarmes Tarkowski is back in the team tonight.

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by Paul Waine
Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:44 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: All games televised on first weekend in October
Replies: 20
Views: 1250

Re: All games televised on first weekend in October

aggi wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:42 pm
Why are all our games on at 8pm? This will be the third in a row.
I think it's because the games are 90 mins long, so those that start at 7pm haven't finished by 8pm. ;)
by Paul Waine
Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:42 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Dyche comments on potential financial help in sport
Replies: 44
Views: 2457

Re: Dyche comments on potential financial help in sport

If the PFA got involved and made some sort of arrangement whereby all the players earning above a certain amount - say half a million per year - agreed to give a percentage of that money to a new PFA charity (tax efficient with gift aid) and that charity then paid a "social fund" payment to all pro...
by Paul Waine
Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:32 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital...
Replies: 557
Views: 28968

Re: ALK Capital...

Would Garlick remain on the Board-thats important to most fans. We definitely need the prospect of investment-we have been running on EMPTY too long, luckily we have had a good driver Mike G owns 49.x% and John B owns 28.x% - just under 80% between them. I'd assume it depends on the shape of the de...
by Paul Waine
Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:21 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital...
Replies: 557
Views: 28968

Re: ALK Capital...

Investment isn’t something I have demanded either. My concern from any investor is how do they make a profit out of a club like Burnley? Land we own isn’t valuable, we won’t get 50k a week on the gate. So how do you make the sort of profit needed to attract an investor? Examples of how this can go ...
by Paul Waine
Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:05 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Dyche comments on potential financial help in sport
Replies: 44
Views: 2457

Re: Dyche comments on potential financial help in sport

Stayingup wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:10 pm
Yes and not to mention Sovereign States and Oligarchs. Inteesting to see how FFP is dealt with in this crisis also.
I think I read somewhere that FFP has been suspended for covid-19 period.

Chester Perry is most likely the poster who can confirm.
by Paul Waine
Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:44 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Dyche comments on potential financial help in sport
Replies: 44
Views: 2457

Re: Dyche comments on potential financial help in sport

Rescue fund - agree a sum of money that the PL pay to the EFL. Rumoured to be proposing £22m per month. Bail out fund - No payments to the EFL clubs, but funds available to help rescue clubs that go in to Admin. In other words, their owners would suffer but the clubs would survive in that scenario....
by Paul Waine
Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:37 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Dyche comments on potential financial help in sport
Replies: 44
Views: 2457

Re: Dyche comments on potential financial help in sport

Hard to agree with Sean on this given the example he has used but two points I would raise about a bail out are: - some of these clubs have very wealthy owners hoping to profit from a promotion. Should they be bailed out or should they find the funds from their own means. - some clubs have spent ri...
by Paul Waine
Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:31 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Tark - transfer
Replies: 1020
Views: 72040

Re: Tark - transfer

Chairman of a Premier League team made the following statement: “If we had £XXm to spend and someone said spend X per cent of it, £Xm, on XXXXX from a Premier League club, you'd probably get the player out. “But to spend your entire budget on XXXXX, you're struggling. We're going to get no gate mone...
by Paul Waine
Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:20 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Dyche comments on potential financial help in sport
Replies: 44
Views: 2457

Re: Dyche comments on potential financial help in sport

Dyche’s comments are from yesterday’s press conference. Not from an interview with The Guardian. I assume the press conference was about tonight's game? Am I safe to assume a member of the media asked the question about Premier League supporting the pyramid? I wonder had Sean Dyche already been ask...
by Paul Waine
Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:03 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Dyche comments on potential financial help in sport
Replies: 44
Views: 2457

Re: Dyche comments on potential financial help in sport

Copied from Guardian - link above: The Burnley manager, Sean Dyche, offered a dissenting view, saying the Premier League should not necessarily help. “If you are going to apply that rule of thumb, does that mean every hedge fund manager that is incredibly successful, are they going to filter that do...
by Paul Waine
Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:34 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Tark - transfer
Replies: 1020
Views: 72040

Re: Tark - transfer

Rileybobs wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:28 pm
It’s in Rome, where they filmed the fight scenes in Gladiator.
Yes, Rome, but not today - man in background is wearing winter jacket.

Though, you can fly to Rome and back in a day.