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by Royboyclaret
Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:11 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley v Aston Villa 1972
Replies: 12
Views: 892

Re: Burnley v Aston Villa 1972

Superb performance from a very special Burnley team. Beautifully balanced side and strong in every position on the pitch. Lost just 4 of the 42 games that season and finished worthy Champions of Division Two. Perhaps not quite as good as the '59/'60 Champions but they would have run them very close....
by Royboyclaret
Sun Sep 13, 2020 9:43 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Frank Soo
Replies: 10
Views: 1530

Re: Frank Soo

Wow - thanks everyone. Very helpful. I contribute a lecture on the "Worlds of Football" module - on football's two-way relationship with the environment. I started my lecture by informing the students, many of whom are wearing replica Liverpool, Man City or Man Utd tops, that I am from Burnley and,...
by Royboyclaret
Sun Sep 13, 2020 9:18 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Peter 'UWE' Noble
Replies: 51
Views: 2411

Re: Peter 'UWE' Noble

Just looking back and in what proved to be our last season in the top flight for some years, Uwe had scored a hat trick in a 4-1 win against Middlesbrough on the Turf. Two weeks later, 45 years ago today, he went one better, scoring all four in a 4-4 draw. Two of the goals were penalties. Leighton ...
by Royboyclaret
Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:57 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 5202
Views: 369612

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Didn't take long for LoveBet to "adjust" our three year financial arrangement for shirt sponsorship.

Only a 3.3% downward adjustment but still represents a £0.5m shortfall over the two remaining years of the contract.

Plenty to think about for our Finance department to offset the shortfall.
by Royboyclaret
Fri Sep 11, 2020 5:57 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 5202
Views: 369612

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Hot on the heels of that report in the previous report and mounting anger over the return of crowds at football comes this from the Telegraph EFL clubs braced for mass redundancies and fire sale of players MIKE MCGRATH SEPTEMBER 11, 2020 EFL clubs are braced for redundancies and a fire sale of play...
by Royboyclaret
Fri Sep 11, 2020 5:53 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 5202
Views: 369612

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Chester Perry wrote:
Fri Sep 11, 2020 1:53 pm
A useful reference article from SportsProMedia, outlining the key commercial and Media deals for the Premier League and each of its teams

https://www.sportspromedia.com/analysis ... ghts-deals
Albert & Smith ?? :)
by Royboyclaret
Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:28 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Tark - transfer
Replies: 768
Views: 55149

Re: Tark - transfer

Doesn't mean he doesn't know the financial stability of the club to the point where he can claim we are financially sound... He'll have access to more detail than any supporter and yet many on here would claim to know the ins and outs of the clubs finances. His obvious frustrations, on occasions, m...
by Royboyclaret
Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:15 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Tark - transfer
Replies: 768
Views: 55149

Re: Tark - transfer

I would expect he would be. Notwithstanding his comments about not having a budget, I would expect that he is in regular discussions with the board regarding club finances. In all his eight years here, he has never had a transfer budget. There's a good reason for that, he identifies the targets and...
by Royboyclaret
Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:10 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Tark - transfer
Replies: 768
Views: 55149

Re: Tark - transfer

Am I right in thinking broadcasting won’t be affected by the lack of fans unless the season ends up being delayed again? So we lose 6.3 and 2.6 and some of the 1.8. Not a big deal in comparison to even 1 player. There's a debate currently taking place on the MMT thread regarding potential broadcast...
by Royboyclaret
Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:00 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Tark - transfer
Replies: 768
Views: 55149

Re: Tark - transfer

Our lower capacity and cheaper tickets means match day revenue is much smaller than most clubs. Quick fag packet calculation I'd suggest we generate in the region of £8-10m in ticket sales over the league campaign. Other match day revenue could be another few million on top - another £5-6m with cor...
by Royboyclaret
Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:44 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Tark - transfer
Replies: 768
Views: 55149

Re: Tark - transfer

The £700m is based on a statement by Richard Masters and is effectively the total loss of PL match-day receipts for next season if all games continue to be played behind closed doors. From a Burnley perspective our loss is minimal, being just over £6m for the full season, in fact the big six compri...
by Royboyclaret
Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:42 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Tark - transfer
Replies: 768
Views: 55149

Re: Tark - transfer

Premier League clubs will lose £700m this year if fans do not return (today’s announcement). The chairman of BFC doesn’t strike me as the type to splash out on a couple of players with this threat lurking. He may though look to sell, and buy a couple of cheaper ones. The £700m is based on a stateme...
by Royboyclaret
Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:22 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Tark - transfer
Replies: 768
Views: 55149

Re: Tark - transfer

Dyche has said we don't need to sell or wants to sell any of his best players and that we're financially sound. He also said (apparently) that every player has his price and that it's the Chairman who decides. And that they don't always agree. In addition also read somewhere that Tarks (apparently)...
by Royboyclaret
Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:42 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 5202
Views: 369612

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

I thought it was because the season didn't finish by July 16th ? BTW it's domestic broadcasters who have said no rebates. No, no....their argument was around the fact that clubs were not delivering the product as agreed within the contract with the rights-holders in terms of atmosphere at games and...
by Royboyclaret
Wed Sep 09, 2020 7:40 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 5202
Views: 369612

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Like i said yesterday... The whole justification behind last season's £340m broadcast rebate (£17m per club) was the fact the rights-holders were not receiving the product as defined in the contract. Lack of crowd, atmostphere etc. On that basis, what exactly is the difference with the games in the...
by Royboyclaret
Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:01 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 5202
Views: 369612

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Those financial worries, do we think they'll push prices up for championship players or down to get sales done and cash in? That's a tough one to answer with any real certainty. We are in unchartered waters with this pandemic, but with the ever increasing financial demands over the coming months (n...
by Royboyclaret
Mon Sep 07, 2020 10:41 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 5202
Views: 369612

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

As Liverpool, along with the other 19 PL clubs, venture into the unknown of a second pandemic affected season, it's little wonder that a serious amount of caution is being applied to current spending. Swiss Ramble, as ever, throws up yet more thought-provoking figures with his projected numbers for...
by Royboyclaret
Mon Sep 07, 2020 7:44 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 5202
Views: 369612

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

@SwissRamble looking at why Liverpool, flush from recent seasons of trophy winning success, record revenues and profits are not active in the transfer market - an object lesson in just how close to the wire clubs tend to operate, it is why I advocate (an old fashioned even working class approach of...
by Royboyclaret
Sun Sep 06, 2020 8:54 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 5202
Views: 369612

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

TIFO Football with an intriguing piece on the hidden factors behind transfers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKQrUs9ku6I Interesting stuff.......you'd imagine Sean would be very much in the category of extensive video presentation to a prospective signing, but it would be good to hear his confirma...
by Royboyclaret
Wed Sep 02, 2020 6:44 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 5202
Views: 369612

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

I think we are playing a very dangerous game to be honest. Most of the debt has been accumulated since Moshiri arrived February 2016. Our debt position then was circa £54 million. The latest figures from Swiss Ramble to end may 2019 include £300 million from Moshiri that has no repayment date and i...
by Royboyclaret
Wed Sep 02, 2020 1:24 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 5202
Views: 369612

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Paul has been a busy chap of late. with a couple of good articles on their financial situation and how it will affect them as well as some very good podcasts around the subject too - if you care to read the articles they are here, I will stress that they are completely blues focussed\ first up a pi...
by Royboyclaret
Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:00 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 5202
Views: 369612

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Whilst twiddling his thumbs waiting for some new financial information to play with - come on Premier League announce those full distribution/merit payments for last season already - @SwissRamble has decided to add some meat to the bones of the Money League report from his mates at Deloitte (the so...
by Royboyclaret
Wed Sep 02, 2020 11:35 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Albert Cheesebrough passes away
Replies: 28
Views: 1566

Re: Albert Cheesebrough passes away

Remember 'Cheesy' well, he was a quality inside-left with a powerful shot. It was only the emergence of a certain Jimmy Robson that prevented Albert having a longer career at Burnley and no doubt a League Championship medal in '59/'60. Think he left us in the summer of '59 just a few weeks before th...
by Royboyclaret
Wed Sep 02, 2020 11:22 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Albert Cheesebrough passes away
Replies: 28
Views: 1566

Re: Albert Cheesebrough passes away

Sad news, indeed.

RIP Albert.
by Royboyclaret
Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:58 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 5202
Views: 369612

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

There was a tweet doing the rounds this morning that the Chinese broadcaster partner for the Premier League, PPTV owned by Suning Holdings, have started termination proceedings on their existing contract (worth £550m over 3 years 2019-22). Remember PPTV reportedly also withheld a £160m payment due ...
by Royboyclaret
Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:35 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 5202
Views: 369612

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Since this post @AndyhHolt has posted his views on Salary caps https://twitter.com/AndyhHolt/status/1299991770101620738 Premier League bail out's and the potential for another Covid shutdown https://twitter.com/AndyhHolt/status/1300001364404244480 and finally he turns to the finances of Accy themse...
by Royboyclaret
Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:56 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: 1st September 2007
Replies: 22
Views: 799

Re: 1st September 2007

FactualFrank wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:50 pm
True. I've found myself reading a bit each morning.
Problem is, FF, yesterday it was Peter Kippax and not Harry Potts.

Today it's Colchester not Preston, and we won 3-2 with goals from Andy Gray (2) and Alan Mahon.

In terms of the Doncaster game, cfc, think it was 29 years ago and not 28.
by Royboyclaret
Thu Aug 27, 2020 11:46 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley v Chelsea 1967
Replies: 23
Views: 941

Re: Burnley v Chelsea 1967

Paulclaret wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 11:37 am
It looks like Chelsea to me, and Casper doesn't score, he hits the side netting :)
Now it makes more sense. ;)
by Royboyclaret
Thu Aug 27, 2020 11:34 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley v Chelsea 1967
Replies: 23
Views: 941

Re: Burnley v Chelsea 1967

Fascinating piece of film, but one that perhaps has more questions than answers. Must be Frank Casper scoring at the end but Frank didn't score against Chelsea that season '67/'68 and the only season that Casper and Willie Morgan played in the same team was '67/'68. Not Villa as they were not in Div...
by Royboyclaret
Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:45 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 5202
Views: 369612

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

another thing for Burnley fans to consider when having a go at the club for not spending on transfer - look at what it does spend in terms of it's income and remember in that season over 60% of income was spent on wages too. https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/status/1297885581947666434 Big fan of Ki...
by Royboyclaret
Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:04 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley F C in pictures
Replies: 739
Views: 81036

Re: Burnley F C in pictures

Steve1956 wrote:
Sat Aug 22, 2020 10:42 am
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Steve......there's a wonderful photo of Tommy Boyle's winning header in Ray Simpson's "Images of Sport", BFC, page 37.
by Royboyclaret
Sat Aug 22, 2020 10:48 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley F C in pictures
Replies: 739
Views: 81036

Re: Burnley F C in pictures

I spotted Colin Bell(8) before Franny. I was with you in thinking Dave Thomas but on closer inspection it could be Stan. Then Arthur Bellamy next to either Colin Blant or, less likely, John Angus. Further research shows we went into the all Claret in ‘69. Stan left in ‘68 so likely you are right wi...
by Royboyclaret
Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:04 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 5202
Views: 369612

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Thanks Roy, it is a somewhat different from my normal type of post but having read that article by The Esk, I just couldn't stop thinking about it (he does that a lot to me which is why I keep linking his output). I decided to post it here rather than on it's own thread because I saw it as a contin...
by Royboyclaret
Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:54 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Well done Glentoran
Replies: 16
Views: 1107

Re: Well done Glentoran

Glentoran will always retain a special place in the heart of any Burnley fan.

Grateful thanks for Jimmy Mac and Alex Elder and a combined total of 827 appearances in a Claret shirt.

Best of luck for a successful Europa League campaign.
by Royboyclaret
Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:20 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 5202
Views: 369612

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

I have posted a quite a lot (when I think about it) about football and brands/branding, and also discussed on various threads (including this) about how we can grow our club commercially (I still like the notion of selling us to America as the Green Bay of English "soccer"). But this article https:...
by Royboyclaret
Mon Aug 17, 2020 11:17 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Best ever indivual performance by a Burnley player ?
Replies: 112
Views: 3310

Re: Best ever indivual performance by a Burnley player ?

What was it about Thomson’s performance that day that made it stand out for you as the best individual performance you’ve seen? It was an afternoon game too. If I really have to repeat myself, it was the countless sensational saves he made right throughout the game capped off by the penalty save to...
by Royboyclaret
Mon Aug 17, 2020 11:05 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Best ever indivual performance by a Burnley player ?
Replies: 112
Views: 3310

Re: Best ever indivual performance by a Burnley player ?

does anyone know what footage is on the video called When we were kings? someone gave me a copy, but as I no longer possess a video player, I ve never been able to watch it. its about the clarets in europe in the 60's. My copy is in the loft somewhere, I'll dig it out tomorrrow. Steve1956 has a fan...
by Royboyclaret
Mon Aug 17, 2020 10:40 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Best ever indivual performance by a Burnley player ?
Replies: 112
Views: 3310

Re: Best ever indivual performance by a Burnley player ?

ClaretTony wrote:
Mon Aug 17, 2020 10:24 pm
But how can you know or have an opinion of a performance you haven’t seen?
How many times on here have you waxed lyrical of performances from Bob Kelly, Tommy Lawton, Bert Freeman, Jerry Dawson, Alan Brown, Jimmy Mac and many, many more?

How many of that list of players did you see live?
by Royboyclaret
Mon Aug 17, 2020 8:51 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Best ever indivual performance by a Burnley player ?
Replies: 112
Views: 3310

Re: Best ever indivual performance by a Burnley player ?

More or less every keeper we have had has a had a great game at some point. Outfield performers a bit rarer. Bikey on debut against United at home. Little away at Bradford Francis away at Plymouth Aye, we've been blessed with some great keepers in our history, Jerry Dawson, Jimmy Strong, Colin McDo...
by Royboyclaret
Mon Aug 17, 2020 8:37 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Best ever indivual performance by a Burnley player ?
Replies: 112
Views: 3310

Re: Best ever indivual performance by a Burnley player ?

Harry Thomson in Naples.......God in a green jersey.
by Royboyclaret
Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:12 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: New Home Kit 2020/21
Replies: 162
Views: 8703

Re: New Home Kit 2020/21

ClaretTony wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 8:37 pm
Didn't actually replace them, Laba360 & LoveBet are the same company.
My understanding is that they are entirely separate betting companies, both owned by Vivaro Limited.
by Royboyclaret
Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:07 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: New Home Kit 2020/21
Replies: 162
Views: 8703

Re: New Home Kit 2020/21

huw.Y.WattfromWare wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:05 pm
To all those upset about the wait for the new shirt I’d have waited for ever hoping not to see this hideous offering by Watford. The fella is their new manager, Ivic from Maccabi.
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Wow, he looks as pleased as I'm sure most of their fans will be.
by Royboyclaret
Sat Aug 15, 2020 8:53 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: New Home Kit 2020/21
Replies: 162
Views: 8703

Re: New Home Kit 2020/21

No, is the answer to both questions, burnmark. Apologies, Liverpool are of course the exception with Standard Chartered based in the UK. The other 19, based on the season just ended, are as follows:- Arsenal.....Dubai,UAE.....Emirates. Aston Villa.....Philippines.....W88. Bournemouth.....Philippine...
by Royboyclaret
Sat Aug 15, 2020 7:46 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: New Home Kit 2020/21
Replies: 162
Views: 8703

Re: New Home Kit 2020/21

burnmark wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 7:41 pm
Would a business from the UK pay us over £21m over three years.

Is there even a UK company or business that sponsor a Premier League team?
No, is the answer to both questions, burnmark.
by Royboyclaret
Sat Aug 15, 2020 7:36 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: New Home Kit 2020/21
Replies: 162
Views: 8703

Re: New Home Kit 2020/21

Its a decent design but once again the logo and the company it advertises spoils it. Why do we need a Far East betting syndicate as our sponsor? First it was Fun88 then Laba they were both unheard of, and now this lot. Please get rid of the clubs association with nondescript betting firms BFC Board...
by Royboyclaret
Sat Aug 15, 2020 7:22 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: New Home Kit 2020/21
Replies: 162
Views: 8703

Re: New Home Kit 2020/21

I'm not a gambler so it doesn't affect me personally but I've met people in the last year or so for whom football ambling has had a devastating effect. I met a couple who had to deal with their son taking his own life because of it. It made me sit up and notice just how much gambling there is aroun...
by Royboyclaret
Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:22 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: John Talbut
Replies: 24
Views: 1804

Re: John Talbut

RIP John.

Superb centre-half for us, had to be patient for his chance in the first team but took that opportunity so well when it eventually came. Almost ten years at the Turf. Very sad to hear this news.
by Royboyclaret
Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:33 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 5202
Views: 369612

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

As far as I am aware we are the only club in the Premier League that has not opened/extended a credit facility, factored against future earnings or taken out a secured loan in recent months Just recently, in a mutual arrangement with the bank, our arranged overdraft account was closed due to lack o...
by Royboyclaret
Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:15 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 5202
Views: 369612

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Meanwhile Leicester show the value of a high Credit rating ast they facto TV income through to January 2022 to Macquarie (the Antipodean Vampires as they are also known apparently) https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/status/1293484101555585024 This kind of financial transaction, gambling against futu...
by Royboyclaret
Tue Aug 11, 2020 7:40 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 5202
Views: 369612

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Look like we will receive our full amount of TV money with no rebates due this season. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/liverpool-get-175m-payout-as-premier-league-clubs-agree-to-delay-cuts-to-prize-money-vkg3h7qf9?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1597168086 Interesting developm...