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by Royboyclaret
Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:09 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: falling out of love with football?
Replies: 92
Views: 2711

Re: falling out of love with football?

Add in top flight clubs simply becoming status symbols for billionaire foreigners/corrupt states. I really enjoy going to watch Colne FC now. Proper sense of community at that level and the clubs are mainly run by volunteers who do it because they love it. "volunteers who do it because they love it...
by Royboyclaret
Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:13 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 5925
Views: 396759

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

the podcast of this discussion is now available - featuring Dr Dan Parnell, Kieran Maguire and Dr Rob Wilson https://shows.acast.com/the-esk-podcasts/episodes/covid-19-the-return-of-football-fans distracted by the notion that there is a player in the EFL who is earning £5.5m a year - just who could...
by Royboyclaret
Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:11 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Rolling Stones....
Replies: 76
Views: 1648

Re: Rolling Stones....

Time Is On My Side.
by Royboyclaret
Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:00 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
Replies: 3788
Views: 244662

Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

I suspect this was a case of putting a few speculative posts together and getting another speculative post. I would guess (and it's entirely a guess) that the earlier reference was to Flood staying on and someone took it to mean Garlick. Must admit to thinking along similar lines over the last few ...
by Royboyclaret
Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:56 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 5925
Views: 396759

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

The Mail have made a rather dramatic article from this and other analysis by Vysyble - as tends to be their want https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8961547/Manchester-United-course-record-losses-nearly-200million-2020-21-season.html More a dramatic headline than anything else, Chest...
by Royboyclaret
Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:19 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 5925
Views: 396759

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

So, a 40% reduction in Wage bill required at Barcelona with immediate effect.

In theory Messi's salary reduced from £500k per week to £300k.

Good luck with that one.
by Royboyclaret
Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:55 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 5925
Views: 396759

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Another example of how Spanish Law is being used by La Liga giants to help them get through the pandemic induced financial crisis in football - British Law does not come anywhere close to this level of intrusion on legal employment contracts - from the Mail Cash-strapped Barcelona are handed a £342...
by Royboyclaret
Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:00 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
Replies: 3788
Views: 244662

Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

ClaretTony wrote:
Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:53 pm
And I believe sold his shares to Garlick
Well, it looks that way. Mike G previously had 25.2% and now 49.2%.

However, John B also increased his holding from 19.2% to 28.3%, probably as a result of the adjustment in Barry K's holding from 13.7% to around 3%.
by Royboyclaret
Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:41 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
Replies: 3788
Views: 244662

Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Here you go, from 2013 https://bit.ly/32KU2KL Clearly there were serious differences between Brendan Flood and Mike Garlick/Clive Holt. To quote Brendan from the link "I don't want to work with them. I won't work with them again, whatever happens." How quickly things change, that quote was from Apr...
by Royboyclaret
Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:21 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: RIP Ray Clemence
Replies: 40
Views: 1722

Re: RIP Ray Clemence

That's a shocker.

RIP Ray, top class keeper.
by Royboyclaret
Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:04 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
Replies: 3788
Views: 244662

Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Duffer_ wrote:
Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:00 pm
Is it "right" that MG walks away with £100m (pre tax) after 14 years as a director? Feel free to define "right" however you like.
It's his 49.24% entitlement, if that's what eventually transpires.
by Royboyclaret
Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:53 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
Replies: 3788
Views: 244662

Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:46 am
Got lucky with Dyche or did a proper and thorough interview process and picked the best candidate for the job?
You'd like to think the second, Sidney, after all that is his area of expertise. But, as with all such appointments, there was also no doubt an element of good fortune involved.
by Royboyclaret
Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:42 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
Replies: 3788
Views: 244662

Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

I know one thing though the board need to get this done. Garlick must realise that relegation this season is a distinct possibility, if the club isn't sold its value will plumit with the clubs future. Garlick got lucky with Dyche who as worked miracles to keep us at this level for 5 seasons with su...
by Royboyclaret
Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:48 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
Replies: 3788
Views: 244662

Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Wokingclaret wrote:
Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:38 pm
Yep keep quiet, 17 others are proving otherwise, well so far
Proving otherwise??

Manchester United, the biggest club in the world, are projected to lose over £100million in this financial year. Similar situation at Barcelona and Real Madrid. Burnley will be one of the least badly affected.
by Royboyclaret
Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:34 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
Replies: 3788
Views: 244662

Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

How is he handling it well? I get he’s probably your friend but what exactly has he done to bring you to that conclusion? Allowing a club at the end of last season to have a subs bench full of kids? Allowing the best manager we’ve had to spend 1 million? Drag out takeover talks for over a year? My ...
by Royboyclaret
Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:17 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
Replies: 3788
Views: 244662

Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Most fans think the longer you stay in the Premier League the more money you have. Which isn’t how it works. The longer you stay, the more it costs. People need to understand that this has been an exceptional year in terms of finances as a result of the pandemic. No chairman could have handled the ...
by Royboyclaret
Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:06 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
Replies: 3788
Views: 244662

Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Top Claret wrote:
Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:44 pm
He has been a good chairman, although his street cred is now starting to wear thin.
Only "wearing thin" with those people who don't understand the financial difficulties under which our Club has been operating throughout the whole of this year.
by Royboyclaret
Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:40 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Tragic story from 100 years ago today with fans killed on way to game
Replies: 6
Views: 741

Re: Tragic story from 100 years ago today with fans killed on way to game

What a sad and tragic story. That was the season, of course, if things had worked out differently, that those lads would have seen us win the First Division title for the first time.
by Royboyclaret
Fri Nov 13, 2020 2:49 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 5925
Views: 396759

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Final observation from me on those Manchester United quarterly results......In the equivalent quarter of 2019 they reported an Operating Profit of £11.0m, replaced in the first financial quarter of 2020 with an Operating Loss of £27.1m. A turnround in just a 12 week period of some £38m. This figure ...
by Royboyclaret
Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:13 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 5925
Views: 396759

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

@KieranMaguire has a look at those q1 results from Manchester United https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/status/1326970080257830913 Interesting quarterly results, which confirm the sneak preview we were given by The esk yesterday evening. Two standout figures, for me, Total Income down from £135.4m t...
by Royboyclaret
Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:44 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: One £20-30 million player every year...
Replies: 59
Views: 2345

Re: One £20-30 million player every year...

What do you call £90m per year? Not far off. Some (sidney, dry youre eyes love!) will deny we pay more than tuppence a week but clearly the fact is there are members of our team already on £75k per week Just to be clear, there are no players at Burnley earning £75k per week, not even close. The wag...
by Royboyclaret
Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:59 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: RIP Tony Waiters
Replies: 25
Views: 1869

Re: RIP Tony Waiters

RIP Tony.

A top class goalkeeper who played five times for England whilst at Blackpool. He was kind enough to answer an emergency call from us when Peter Mellor was injured and came out of retirement and played 38 league games for us.
by Royboyclaret
Sat Nov 07, 2020 9:20 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: The funny thing about watching light is...
Replies: 7
Views: 475

Re: The funny thing about watching light is...

Pstotto wrote:
Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:40 pm
For what sense organ and how recreation visceral?
Third visceral or first branchial arch ?
by Royboyclaret
Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:11 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley's FA Youth Cup winners
Replies: 33
Views: 1343

Re: Burnley's FA Youth Cup winners

Quicknick wrote:
Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:01 pm
Burnley 3 Leeds 0?
Correct, O'Neil, Lochhead & Dobson in front of 13,142 fans, less than the previous evening.
by Royboyclaret
Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:07 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Turf Moor
Replies: 48
Views: 2965

Re: Turf Moor

It was only owned by Longside Properties until 2009 at which point Barry Kilby and John Sullivan sold the ground on to Lionbridge, an offshore registered company. In his own words Barry said he was "uncomfortable being landlord and tenant". I thought the Turf and Gawthorpe then returned to it's righ...
by Royboyclaret
Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:41 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 5925
Views: 396759

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

just edited my original post to say that the rebate was as described in the Premier League Handbook - so ours will be £13.4m In which case if our starting point was £130.5m, then the net broadcast income will be virtually the same as the previous financial year (£115m from memory). The only other f...
by Royboyclaret
Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:29 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 5925
Views: 396759

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Norwich City release their 2019/20 accounts - covering a 13 month period like ours will - hoping for a few insights into the Covid impact at the Premier League @KieranMaguire has a peek https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/status/1323918699665985536 The annual report is here https://files.canaries.co....
by Royboyclaret
Tue Nov 03, 2020 7:42 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley's FA Youth Cup winners
Replies: 33
Views: 1343

Re: Burnley's FA Youth Cup winners

alwaysaclaret wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 7:37 pm
Fantastic performance on the night from the lads, and a fantastic atmosphere to go with it, one of my favourite nights being a claret, anybody remember the attendance that night ?
13,840.

Some 800 more than turned up for the league game against Leeds the following day.
by Royboyclaret
Tue Nov 03, 2020 6:58 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Turf Moor
Replies: 48
Views: 2965

Re: Turf Moor

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 6:53 pm
Clearly been having far to much fun these last 7 years :shock:
To be fair it's been a decent enough time on the pitch.
by Royboyclaret
Tue Nov 03, 2020 6:36 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Turf Moor
Replies: 48
Views: 2965

Re: Turf Moor

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 6:26 pm
The club and ground are one entity, it was purchased back a couple of years ago from the company created by Kilby etc.

Why, want to buy it?
Time flies, Sidney.....Now seven years since the Turf was returned to it's rightful ownership in 2013 from Lionbridge.
by Royboyclaret
Tue Nov 03, 2020 6:11 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Claret photo help.
Replies: 31
Views: 1700

Re: Claret photo help.

That 1961/62 season was a quite remarkable one from our point of view. Even after that home defeat to United (game 35 of 42) we were still at the top of the First Division. But those final 7 games had to be played in the last two weeks remaining of the season and it all became a bit too much, partic...
by Royboyclaret
Tue Nov 03, 2020 4:27 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Claret photo help.
Replies: 31
Views: 1700

Re: Claret photo help.

v United? I've not been able to find any reference to the club's tribute to Nobby, suggesting the photo is a game v United, so sticking my neck out. That bloke messing with Towers is John Talbut. Nobby was only 5'-6", that makes Towers 6'-12". And anyway, the studs are too low for Nobby. Can someon...
by Royboyclaret
Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:22 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 5925
Views: 396759

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Chester Perry wrote:
Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:36 am
@SwissRamble looks at the 2019/20 financial results of AS Roma

https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/ ... 5923489792
Some frightening numbers there for AS Roma, including a Net Loss of Euros 204m.

Yet another example of a top European club that's financially out of control.
by Royboyclaret
Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:10 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley's FA Youth Cup winners
Replies: 33
Views: 1343

Re: Burnley's FA Youth Cup winners

https://www.uptheclarets.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/youths-1968.jpg That's him on the very left of the back row I think. The pic is at Bramall Lane in front of what was then the main stand which is opposite today's main stand. Back Row - Pat Dooney, Steve Kindon, Wilf Wrigley, Gerry McEvoy, Edd...
by Royboyclaret
Sun Oct 25, 2020 2:31 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Ralph Coates - Spurs Website Article
Replies: 30
Views: 1604

Re: Ralph Coates - Spurs Website Article

The best player I have seen in Claret and blue and I have seen a few. I have often wondered how Ralph would have done in the 72/73 and 73/74 teams. I reckon he would have made an excellent team into an outstanding team. He did well at Spurs but I think he would have been even better if he stayed. K...
by Royboyclaret
Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:01 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: So by paying for our season tickets will we get free ones in 2021 2022 season
Replies: 114
Views: 3314

Re: So by paying for our season tickets will we get free ones in 2021 2022 season

You are missing the point Macca in my opinion. The cut is largely irrelevant. The club employs people from the community it exists in. They raise the profile of the community they exist in and there are strong links to the area being as successful as it has been when it comes to investment in busin...
by Royboyclaret
Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:03 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Ralph Coates - Spurs Website Article
Replies: 30
Views: 1604

Re: Ralph Coates - Spurs Website Article

Ralph was hardly prolific when it came to goalscoring and always appeared happiest when setting up opportunities for his teammates. However, when he did score, they were often very special goals and none moreso than in the home game against Liverpool in April'66. It was a game to remember and Willie...
by Royboyclaret
Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:34 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Ralph Coates - Spurs Website Article
Replies: 30
Views: 1604

Re: Ralph Coates - Spurs Website Article

ClaretTony wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:20 pm
Article published today with the comments from our club. I suppose it’s who you believe, Adamson or Revie.
So Adamson was accepting there had been "an inquiry" in May'71 even if not an official offer?
by Royboyclaret
Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:18 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Ralph Coates - Spurs Website Article
Replies: 30
Views: 1604

Re: Ralph Coates - Spurs Website Article

ClaretTony wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:58 pm
Never received an offer from Leeds for Thomas
Seems that Revie was providing incorrect information, then......Or was he?
by Royboyclaret
Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:15 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 5925
Views: 396759

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Roy it still does not include the income from the last 6 Premier League games (played post accounting period) and I suspect there will be some merit payments to add @KieronMaguire has stated a similar view in some interviews recently - we know from Page 633 of the Premier League Handbook - Page 321...
by Royboyclaret
Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:26 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Ralph Coates - Spurs Website Article
Replies: 30
Views: 1604

Re: Ralph Coates - Spurs Website Article

Apparently Ralph was incredulous at the fee, £190,000, that we received from Tottenham in May 1971. It seems that was the very same month that we rejected a bid from Leeds for Dave Thomas, even Lord would have struggled to justify selling two of our prize assets at the same time. Nevertheless, it wa...
by Royboyclaret
Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:00 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 5925
Views: 396759

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

£10.5m in Boardroom salaries. At least Mike and the boys down at the Turf don't take a penny out of the Club. Interesting how they state three "top customers" without actually naming them. Doesn't prevent one of UK's top bookmakers, Paddypower (is that dandeclaret's company?) running a book as to w...
by Royboyclaret
Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:48 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 5925
Views: 396759

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

@KieranMaguire with more analysis on those 2019/20 financial results https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/status/1319944302294859777 £10.5m in Boardroom salaries. At least Mike and the boys down at the Turf don't take a penny out of the Club. Interesting how they state three "top customers" without ac...
by Royboyclaret
Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:37 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 5925
Views: 396759

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Further analysis of #MUFC https://twitter.com/theesk/status/1318877307847741440?s=20 As poor a financial performance this has been from Man Utd, it's almost certain the results will be mirrored by all the other PL clubs. One by one as clubs' release their figures, we will witness the kind of Net Lo...
by Royboyclaret
Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:42 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 5925
Views: 396759

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

@KieranMaguire has a look at what limited information is in the public domain re Manchester United's 2019/20 financial results https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/status/1319624253441003526 Couple of very quick observations:- Total Revenue is down some 18% due to a combo of Covid and failure to quali...
by Royboyclaret
Thu Oct 22, 2020 10:38 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 5925
Views: 396759

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

now for a couple of EFL stories - first up this from the TIMES on something I posted about a few weeks back - the HRMS deadline for delayed tax payments EFL asks government to defer tax payments until fans are allowed back exclusive Martyn Ziegler, Chief Sports Reporter Thursday October 22 2020, 5....
by Royboyclaret
Thu Oct 22, 2020 3:21 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Harry Potts - born 22nd October 1920
Replies: 21
Views: 635

Re: Harry Potts - born 22nd October 1920

Just a season later in September we went to Birmingham on the Saturday and won 2-6 and then repeated the scoreline in the following midweek at Leicester. 'I'd take a slow boat to China or stand knee deep in freezing snow to watch this thrilling outfit in action' was part of one national newspaper r...
by Royboyclaret
Thu Oct 22, 2020 1:19 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Harry Potts - born 22nd October 1920
Replies: 21
Views: 635

Re: Harry Potts - born 22nd October 1920

Hard to believe Harry was still only 39 years old when we won the title in May 1960. Just a few months later on his 40th birthday Burnley produced one of their greatest ever team performances with a 6-2 away win at Stamford Bridge. Thinking more about it, he was still manager (just about) some 10 y...
by Royboyclaret
Thu Oct 22, 2020 1:00 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Harry Potts - born 22nd October 1920
Replies: 21
Views: 635

Re: Harry Potts - born 22nd October 1920

Hard to believe Harry was still only 39 years old when we won the title in May 1960.

Just a few months later on his 40th birthday Burnley produced one of their greatest ever team performances with a 6-2 away win at Stamford Bridge.
by Royboyclaret
Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:37 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Harry Potts - born 22nd October 1920
Replies: 21
Views: 635

Re: Harry Potts - born 22nd October 1920

Simply the best.