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- Sat Sep 16, 2023 5:58 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
The guy who comments a lot on the Everton finances, the Esk, seems to think he's decent and he has been scathing about a lot of the other executive staff involved at Everton. Been awhile since I was on this forum, my apologies. Hope all is good. Sasha was frequently the only adult in the room at Ev...
- Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:27 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 981216
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
I noted some of the earlier references to Socios, Chiliz etc. I put together a piece for Everton supporters to demonstrate why this is such a bad idea all round (unless you hold a few million $CHZ)
Good luck for the season ahead!
https://theesk.org/2021/08/12/chiliz-socios/
Good luck for the season ahead!
https://theesk.org/2021/08/12/chiliz-socios/
- Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:23 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 981216
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Apologies I know this thread is for football finance but I don't go elsewhere on the board other than here.
Well done last night!!!!!!!
Well done last night!!!!!!!
- Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:15 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 981216
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Paul, I had noted that in your response to Kieran. Are you able to identify where the funds raised for the ALK loan (issued in late December came from - I am assuming monies raised in October were for an alternative purpose - I could be wrong in that of course. Also does MSD always use other Dell m...
- Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:51 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 981216
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
more examples of how MSD Holdings raise money which they then loan out - including contributions from our friend The Esk - it doesn't come cheap to them and definitely not cheap to those they lend too - remember that Includes Southampton and Derby (at the time of this fund raising also previously t...
- Thu Dec 31, 2020 11:45 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: The wait is over - ALK Capital buy Burnley FC
- Replies: 219
- Views: 26880
Re: The wait is over - ALK Capital buy Burnley FC
Congratulations to you all (for those that don't me I am an Everton supporter who appears from time to time on the Money Tree thread). Our experience of a takeover whilst retaining the previous senior executives is not great, but I trust you will not have the same difficulties given how sensibly you...
- Sat Dec 12, 2020 4:42 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 981216
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
The Esk with his take on those Everton results https://theesk.org/2020/12/11/record-losses-partly-attributed-to-covid-moshiris-funding-plans-stadium-finance-update/ take particular note of Paul's final paragraph, this is where so many owners have failed with their "investments" (for want of a word ...
- Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:39 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 981216
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Further analysis of #MUFC https://twitter.com/theesk/status/13188 ... 41440?s=20
- Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:13 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 981216
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
FWIW this is my take on "Big Picture" "There are intelligent people on the Liverpool and Manchester United boards. They will know you don’t present a coup that doesn’t offer those outside the coup any upside. The fact that this is the best they can come up with after three years of planning is conce...
- Mon Oct 05, 2020 9:49 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 981216
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Great thread from @SportingIntel looking a the Covid financial implication and why The government not the Premier League should be the source of a financial support to the pyramid https://twitter.com/sportingintel/status/1312514349731246080 It is interesting that many EFL clubs share the thinking t...
- Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:18 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 981216
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Thank you both for your kind comments - the abuse is water of a duck's back!Chester Perry wrote: ↑Tue Sep 29, 2020 3:39 pmIt is crazy to see how much stick Paul get's from Evertonian's for pointing out the realities of the situation - for the most part we are either ignored or trusted, he get's some dog's abuse at times.
- Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:10 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 981216
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Dave Checketts was trying to buy Sheffield United last year. Owns Real Salt Lake. I am told by my US (Wall Street) contacts he is a good guy (as is Alan Pace)Chester Perry wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:39 pmPaul do you know anything about these guys who are supposedly trying to take over our club - https://alkcapital.com/
- Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:36 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 981216
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
More details emerging from the FinCEN leak including Alisher Usminov once shareholder of Arsenal, Employer and best mate of Everton owner Farhad Moshiri and of course extremely generous sponsor of Everton - you know anything to help a mate https://www.occrp.org/en/the-fincen-files/more-snapshots-fr...
- Tue Sep 22, 2020 3:02 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 981216
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Congratulations on your third birthday - this is one of the best threads in Football IMO - well done to all who contribute
- Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:18 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 981216
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
The lunacy that is rule E55 (Premier League Handbook) effectively suspending profit and sustainability rules for 12 months stands in stark contrast to the loss of the PPTV which immediately reduces yet another income stream for Premier League clubs.
- Wed Sep 02, 2020 5:23 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 981216
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
I know he has a lot of respect for our approach, and especially our firm grasp on what we are trying to achieve, commitment to that approach and the fact that everyone is on message and aligned with the thinking - I suspect he favours a more self funded approach (or at least one where the investmen...
- Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:42 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 981216
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
I have posted a quite a lot (when I think about it) about football and brands/branding, and also discussed on various threads (including this) about how we can grow our club commercially (I still like the notion of selling us to America as the Green Bay of English "soccer"). But this article https:...
- Fri Jul 24, 2020 7:03 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 981216
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
I didn;t think this was allowed anymore - Watford borrow money on the strength on TV monies for next season (of course there may be a ceiling as to how much can be borrowed - unless they are assuming they are already down and it is against parachute payments) https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/statu...
- Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:16 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 981216
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
It is an overdraft Chester "payable on demand " in the fine print!Chester Perry wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:56 pmEverton become the latest club to secure a new secured credit facility - probably an overdraft, given it is from their existing bankers, but cannot say for certain.
https://twitter.com/theesk/status/1285850132538433537
- Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:15 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 981216
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Something that might be of interest to The esk.......Burnley signed a player from Everton in May 1933 by the name of Sydney Chedgzoy. He played just a handful of games here before moving to Millwall a year later. Perhaps Sydney has to be the son of the great Sam Chedgzoy that played at Goodison bef...
- Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:00 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 981216
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Thanks for your interest in my Football Shorts series. My latest piece focuses on Moshiri and why pumping money into a club is not the whole answer.
https://theesk.org/2020/07/17/farhad-mo ... e-problem/
https://theesk.org/2020/07/17/farhad-mo ... e-problem/
- Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:48 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 981216
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Cheers for that, The esk. Very difficult to make any projections at the moment with any degree of certainty, but the difference in figures between particularly Wolves and Burnley seemed hard to understand, although now I see your reasoning. Posted on here the other day that I had been asked to prov...
- Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:03 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 981216
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Fascinating read, again. Couple of observations/questions - "Burnley demonstrated the real lack of robustness of many football clubs" - Certainly like to hear some expansion of that statement. Also within the chart detailing the change in potential cash flow for the 2020/21 season we're seeing the ...
- Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:15 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 981216
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
I eventually published part IV of Football Shorts with an honourable mention for Burnley https://theesk.org/2020/07/10/football-shorts-part-iv/
- Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:32 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 981216
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Sorry, really busy with the day job for the last few days, so part IV of Football Shorts will be published over the weekend - hope all are well!
- Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:10 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 981216
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Assuming the outstanding 92 Premier League games are completed by July 26th, each Premier League club is expected to forgo £5 million at the end of July of this year and the remaining £11.5 million collected in season 2021/22.
If the season is not completed the whole £760 million becomes payable.
If the season is not completed the whole £760 million becomes payable.
- Fri Jun 12, 2020 11:01 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 981216
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Appreciate the very kind words about the podcast today - if there's a Burnley related one I'm always happy to contribute. Equally I would be happy to have any Burnley fans on a podcast hosted by myself. Thanks for having me on here, and for taking interest in my content.
- Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:44 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 981216
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Evening Gents, so much reading material on this thread, thank you very much
Here's Part III, there will be a part IV as the article just kept getting bigger. Thanks for your interest
https://theesk.org/2020/06/04/football- ... cash-flow/
Here's Part III, there will be a part IV as the article just kept getting bigger. Thanks for your interest
https://theesk.org/2020/06/04/football- ... cash-flow/
- Thu May 28, 2020 1:22 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 981216
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Interesting article. The problem with minority investors shovelling capital into struggling clubs is how do you spend that capital under FFP and profit and sustainability rules (assuming those rules are not relaxed). The ability to spend relates to the state of the P&L account, not the balance sheet...
- Wed May 27, 2020 11:34 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 981216
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Depends on what you think of benefactors really Paul - our club has never had one really - though Barry Kilby and a mate or 2 saved us from administration following the itv digital collapse. We make the proud claim that all our trophies were won the right way, using self generated monies. Our frene...
- Wed May 27, 2020 8:52 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 981216
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Some thoughts: I've no idea how much Premier League budget for lawyers to advise on their broadcasting deals. Whatever they've spent in the past, I'm sure they will be bringing in some of the top legal firms and paying "superstar" fees for the legal advice they need; The tv games have been devalued...
- Wed May 27, 2020 8:49 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 981216
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
I am sure that this is interesting reading for those of you with subscriptions - The Athletic looks at how the finances have changes at Brighton in the last decade, particularly (the one I keep talking about) cash flow, and how the club is currently being forced to plan in the scenario of relegatio...
- Wed May 27, 2020 12:47 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 981216
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Charts changed too - I have re-written the relevant words also - thanks for pointing out the errors and your patience
- Wed May 27, 2020 12:17 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 981216
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Looking again it appears the figures are changing, literally as we speak. The EBITDA for Liverpool which showed as £10.86m last evening is now £122m, very close now to the Swiss Ramble figure. The original Wages figure for Burnley was £103m but now shows as £87m, but the first three charts/graphs, ...
- Mon May 25, 2020 11:33 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 981216
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Also intrigued by the chart showing the Age profile of our squad and particularly the 18-23 range at 8%. Not contesting that figure at all but it's markedly different to any other PL club. The age data is taken from Transfermrkt.com - a usually reliable data source - I have spoken to their key owne...
- Mon May 25, 2020 9:34 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 981216
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
I was gifted an extensive dataset by someone in the industry. Unfortunately I am finding errors in it - such as your figures. I am going to cross reference the "gifted" data with my own research. Apologies, it is only the occasional error, but still I'd prefer there to be none. Swiss Ramble who is a...
- Mon May 25, 2020 7:29 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 981216
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Thanks Chester, I will do so later when able to do so. Happy to answer any questions
- Thu May 21, 2020 2:42 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 981216
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
A third new kit supplier (following Watford and Rangers), a return to the Premier League for Hummel, and a third new record deal - this is not how I foresaw post pandemic deals Everton have a new Shirt supplier, it is a big deal for both club and supplier but just goes to show how far being the 14 ...
- Thu May 21, 2020 2:37 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 981216
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Welcome on board, 'The esk'. A number of us were more than impressed with your Football Shorts (part 1) article, so a couple of related questions from me:- a) Who is the Everton player featured at the beginning of the article? b) We have debated long and hard on here the potential future figures fr...
- Wed May 20, 2020 11:42 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 981216
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Thanks Chester!Chester Perry wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2020 9:29 pmI seem to have missed that Roy
just looked
if that really is Paul - he is more than welcome, I have a lot of time for the work he puts into his website
- Wed May 20, 2020 11:40 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 981216
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Evening Clarets - for what it is worth I am "the esk". Life long Evertonian, "the esk" is a nickname from school, my Great Grandfather played in the first game at Goodison in 1892, hence me being an Evertonian. Thank you for your kind comments - for those of a certain age, Martin Dobson was one of m...