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- Mon Apr 08, 2024 11:38 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: 'The Project'...
- Replies: 58
- Views: 2600
Re: 'The Project'...
that is one of those nice sounding positive PR produced phrases, but if reflection, learning and proper assessment of the situation and the risks involved are not applied then you are just marching towards a potential catastrophe, which is, in part, what the auditors were saying. It is ok ALK/VSL a...
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 11:13 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Relegation
- Replies: 76
- Views: 5038
Re: Relegation
Build a squad around Muric, Esteve, Beyer, Foster, Cullen, Benson, Berge (critical we keep him), and Koleosho and we storm the Championship. Like others have said. We are much better now than the team that walked the league last season. Absolutely agree with that. Much better. Crucial to keep Berge...
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 11:12 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Relegation
- Replies: 76
- Views: 5038
Re: Relegation
I think using the words 'absolute nonsense' and then citing a 22 year old player with 10 sub appearances with PSV is pushing the boundaries a bit. Not really. I think it’s fairly well established that he’s a well regarded talent having represented Netherlands at every youth level from U15-U21, 46 t...
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 11:05 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: So who's renewed their ST?
- Replies: 290
- Views: 14508
Re: So who's renewed their ST?
Yes, renewed.
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 11:03 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: 'The Project'...
- Replies: 58
- Views: 2600
Re: 'The Project'...
One of the features of the club's notion of buying to sell (under ALK/VSL) is that there have been very few actual sales of note the most profitable being Collins and Cornet and they didn't produce the reported cost of Beyer before amortisation. When you look at the money the club has lost on Wegho...
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 10:44 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: 'The Project'...
- Replies: 58
- Views: 2600
Re: 'The Project'...
some selective memory going on I think first entry on a google search, even the clubs official media channel calls it a project - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bWvMAEtmIg I recall various senior figures at the club talking about it right from the arrival of Alan Pace at his first Press Conferenc...
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 10:22 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Relegation
- Replies: 76
- Views: 5038
Re: Relegation
Back to the topic.
For me Everton (barring a huge points deduction) are out of it. It’s between Luton and Forest. I think it’s best for us if Luton come down, but whoever it is, they’ll lose a lot of their core team so they’ll look far weaker than they do now regardless.
For me Everton (barring a huge points deduction) are out of it. It’s between Luton and Forest. I think it’s best for us if Luton come down, but whoever it is, they’ll lose a lot of their core team so they’ll look far weaker than they do now regardless.
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 10:03 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Relegation
- Replies: 76
- Views: 5038
Re: Relegation
We might be knackered next year... Players won't join (given lack of pitch time given to those signed before) We'll lose anyone sellable... (most sellable players are near contract end... so low) Plus some will be ended / not extended. And we're left with what we have left... plus a couple of signi...
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 9:57 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: 'The Project'...
- Replies: 58
- Views: 2600
Re: 'The Project'...
Indeed 'the Project' which everyone at the club has stopped talking about (for now - it will be interesting to see the language used next season) has morphed into one of cash flow pursuit, as I have previously detailed. One of the key elements of those Kompany/Mooney recruitment meetings with the b...
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 9:50 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Lets go again
- Replies: 21
- Views: 2290
Re: Lets go again
Not going on for the remaining games? Why ever not? There’s an interest remaining… who out of Luton and Forest are coming with us and Sheff Utd? “I support Burnley me, but only when we win or when we play well or if we’re in the PL” :roll: :? :oops: People acting all mardy like we were relegated to...
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 9:38 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Interesting that potential contract clause mentioned again.
- Replies: 61
- Views: 3589
Re: Interesting that potential contract clause mentioned again.
There’s no way on earth any premier league team would commit itself to guaranteed playing time contractually. What is a bit odd is the timing that Trafford was dropped - he hadn’t made any obvious errors the week before from what I recall - and Trafford not making the bench. One theory here is that ...
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 9:18 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: 'The Project'...
- Replies: 58
- Views: 2600
Re: 'The Project'...
To be honest, I think ‘the project’ is something referenced more by fans than the club. Never hear anyone senior at the club mention it and if they have, certainly not repeatedly.
- Sun Apr 07, 2024 4:42 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Man U/ Liverpool
- Replies: 45
- Views: 2006
Re: Man U/ Liverpool
United very nearly gave it away to Liverpool in this attack that led to the corner and then hitting the post.
All teams that pass it out make errors. No idea why we think we won’t
- Sun Apr 07, 2024 4:38 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: The cost of playing out badly
- Replies: 55
- Views: 3027
Re: The cost of playing out badly
Told you all teams do it
- Sun Apr 07, 2024 11:28 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: The cost of playing out badly
- Replies: 55
- Views: 3027
Re: The cost of playing out badly
It's not overplaying it out from the back OR hoofing it every time. There's a middle ground. I've no idea how you can't see our defensive frailties. No way is it just down to the final third. I didn’t say I can’t see our defensive frailties, although I don’t think they’re necessarily something that...
- Sun Apr 07, 2024 10:18 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: The cost of playing out badly
- Replies: 55
- Views: 3027
Re: The cost of playing out badly
You could see exactly what Muric wad trying to do from the angle behind the goal. He waited for the incisive pass to come available, which it did as odobert moved off his man and opened things up. Unnecessary at that time in the game, should have just launched it down the pitch. I'd have more sympa...
- Sun Apr 07, 2024 10:16 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: The cost of playing out badly
- Replies: 55
- Views: 3027
Re: The cost of playing out badly
Playing out is fine as long as the players have the skill to do it We’re not quite there yet I think this is about the most sensible and reasonable post on this thread. I can’t remember any other mistakes like yesterday. The only passing it out error that immediately springs to mind is the Trafford...
- Sun Apr 07, 2024 10:06 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: The cost of playing out badly
- Replies: 55
- Views: 3027
Re: The cost of playing out badly
Agree on all your points.Colburn_Claret wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2024 9:42 amWe saw the same last season, and from Muric. Cockups like yesterday happen, you just pray they aren't critical, and in a must win game.
He'll probably do it again at some point, but I'd still prefer Muric in goal. He offers far more positives than negatives.
- Fri Apr 05, 2024 9:38 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Shurandy Sambo
- Replies: 100
- Views: 7994
Re: Shurandy Sambo
Interesting signing- player with decent pedigree who appears to have been a regular in a fairly successful Sparta Rotterdam side last season even if he's struggled for game time this season in a highly successful PSV side. Don't think we can hold that against him and good luck to him. I find the co...
- Fri Apr 05, 2024 8:52 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: ARTICLE: Blades trip for the under-21s
- Replies: 22
- Views: 1229
Re: ARTICLE: Blades trip for the under-21s
Pen looked as soft as some that the first team have had given to me.
Masara on as a sub and impressed me again. Great composure and finish.
Masara on as a sub and impressed me again. Great composure and finish.
- Fri Apr 05, 2024 8:21 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: ARTICLE: Blades trip for the under-21s
- Replies: 22
- Views: 1229
- Fri Apr 05, 2024 3:19 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
- Replies: 268
- Views: 12577
Re: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
pushpinpussy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2024 3:03 pmI'm writing a book called 'Stop Overreacting.' If no one buys it I'm going to kill myself.
If you advertise it on here you’ll be a millionaire
- Fri Apr 05, 2024 2:59 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Shurandy Sambo
- Replies: 100
- Views: 7994
Re: Shurandy Sambo
Wow!ClaretTony wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2024 2:50 pmDeal was done a while ago I think, article was written in Feb. I think he’s signed a pre-contract.
Any other articles written Tony?
- Fri Apr 05, 2024 7:47 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Toffees are in a very sticky situation
- Replies: 26
- Views: 3679
Re: Toffees are in a very sticky situation
Hard work to make head or tail of that article!
- Thu Apr 04, 2024 10:26 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Tonight's footy April 4th
- Replies: 36
- Views: 2073
Re: Tonight's footy April 4th
Football. Bloody hell.
- Thu Apr 04, 2024 8:53 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Tonight's footy April 4th
- Replies: 36
- Views: 2073
Re: Tonight's footy April 4th
2-2 at Chelsea
- Thu Apr 04, 2024 8:51 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Tonight's footy April 4th
- Replies: 36
- Views: 2073
Re: Tonight's footy April 4th
FFSTricky Trevor wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 8:50 pm1-1 at Anfield. Blades have deserved nothing but L’pool have been very sloppy this half. Robertson coming on might help, Gomez lack of a left foot at LB hasn’t helped them.
- Thu Apr 04, 2024 8:49 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Tonight's footy April 4th
- Replies: 36
- Views: 2073
Re: Tonight's footy April 4th
2-1 at Chelsea
- Wed Apr 03, 2024 10:46 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Next season’s Spine IF RELEGATED
- Replies: 51
- Views: 3462
Re: Next season’s Spine IF RELEGATED
We will really struggle if we don’t keep Muric even in the championship. I hope what has become apparent to everyone watching in recent weeks is just how critical Muric is to how we play. So hopefully his return has at least served that purpose. If we sell Muric after working out how vital he is to...
- Wed Apr 03, 2024 8:39 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: The lack of minutes on the pitch for Benson
- Replies: 31
- Views: 2347
Re: The lack of minutes on the pitch for Benson
As Vegas said, the reason he doesn’t play more in tight games is because we need the height defending set pieces, which was probably why Jay came on when he did, and he’s not that strong defensively - tracking back, etc Why he doesn’t come on when we’re losing I don’t know because I think we look fa...
- Wed Apr 03, 2024 8:13 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Tonight's Footy April 3rd
- Replies: 43
- Views: 1746
Re: Tonight's Footy April 3rd
2-0 Arsenal
- Wed Apr 03, 2024 8:13 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Tonight's Footy April 3rd
- Replies: 43
- Views: 1746
Re: Tonight's Footy April 3rd
My son was just saying he hates it. I quite like it.
- Wed Apr 03, 2024 6:18 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Two bad decisions
- Replies: 9
- Views: 1624
Re: Two bad decisions
I really like this idea.Taffy on the wing wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 4:48 pmFrustrating .......i think the answer is X/reviews per manager/per half. The Refereeing standards are awful.
No VAR, managers or captains holding a number of reviews per game, maybe one each half, that can be used to corner anything.
- Wed Apr 03, 2024 2:17 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Next season’s Spine IF RELEGATED
- Replies: 51
- Views: 3462
Re: Next season’s Spine IF RELEGATED
I'd be amazed if nobody came in for Berge. At 15 million he'd be a bargain for any mid-lower bottom half side. Me too. He was fantastic last night again. Losing him would be the saddest part of relegation for me and I’d go as far to say that if Pace is really set on us becoming a premier league sid...
- Wed Apr 03, 2024 1:47 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
- Replies: 268
- Views: 12577
Re: Administration?
I strongly suspect that the company structure is ring fenced so that they will not have to repay any monies taken out. Remember they are in it for profit, pure and simple, and I very much doubt whether they will give up profits they have already taken in order to do the club a favour. I think the r...
- Wed Apr 03, 2024 12:15 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
- Replies: 268
- Views: 12577
Re: Administration?
Not really, accepting that the money will never come into the club, it is difficult to understand why it was brough into the county rather than just left invisible Jersey, it would be as easy to buy more clubs from there as from Velocity Capital (UK) Holdings Ltd - that said it does appear that som...
- Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:54 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
- Replies: 268
- Views: 12577
Re: Administration?
It remains extremely unlikely that any of those monies will reach the club - the dividend option statement was re-iterated about the now £124.1m loan to Calder Vale Holdings - an entity which now holds £0.01 of declared assets I’ve not said it will. I’d like to know a) what it’s there for, and b) h...
- Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:48 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
- Replies: 268
- Views: 12577
Re: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
ALK took £50 million of the clubs money out of the bank account and gave it to the former owners. At what point does £50 million change from being an existential threat to the clubs existence caused by Covid to being thank you and oh by the way thanks for the other £65 million you borrowed from MSD...
- Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:23 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
- Replies: 268
- Views: 12577
Re: Administration?
The auditors have qualified the directors view that there are sufficient funds on the basis that the view is premised on forecasted player trading, which presumably the auditors do not feel able to challenge one way or another but feel sufficiently concerned to make a point of it. I don't think any...
- Wed Apr 03, 2024 10:31 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
- Replies: 268
- Views: 12577
Re: Administration?
I always tread carefully when someone starts a sentence with “Basically”, usually means they are pretending to be an expert in a field they have little expertise. I stand to be corrected NewClaret! Looking forward to your updates Chester Perry - I hope people don’t forget that you are a supporter f...
- Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:59 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
- Replies: 268
- Views: 12577
Re: Administration?
Based upon what? Well, two things. Firstly this specific sentence from the accounts: In the event that the group's financial performance varies or is less than that modelled, the directors are satisfied that sufficient funds can be generated or otherwise obtained by the Group, if this was absolutel...
- Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:25 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: That's probably it, I'm afraid.
- Replies: 13
- Views: 1957
Re: That's probably it, I'm afraid.
personally think we have left it to late with only a handful of games left, if only Vincent would have changed gk earlier we might have had a chance but unfortunately we will never know... This is the worst part of it to me. It was so obvious to EVERYONE yet it took him 28 games to work it out. Abs...
- Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:15 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Odobert
- Replies: 40
- Views: 2969
Re: Odobert
I have to agree. Odobert playing centrally, plus Foster wide and JBL narrow on the left blunted our attacking threat. Taylor saw lots of the ball on the left but doesn't have the trickery to threaten. Imagine what Odobert may have created from those positions. Add to that Fofana having a poor game ...
- Tue Apr 02, 2024 11:06 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
- Replies: 268
- Views: 12577
Re: Administration?
Basically, “the group” will give them money if necessary. I think the group has more cash than we realise.
- Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:48 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Free Kick Or No Free Kick
- Replies: 69
- Views: 4401
Re: Free Kick Or No Free Kick
Equally, I don’t think we’d be in the relegation zone had the countless bad refereeing decisions not occurred.ElectroClaret wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:00 pmPoor decision and we've had a fair few of those against us, but
they're not the reason we are where we are.
Two home wins tells it's own tale.
- Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:46 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Six Points From Safety... Everton A Must Win?
- Replies: 37
- Views: 2341
Re: Six Points From Safety... Everton A Must Win?
It’s done. No amount of hoping is going to change that, unfortunately.
We left it way too late to play Muric and have suffered some awful officiating. Cruel on the fans.
We left it way too late to play Muric and have suffered some awful officiating. Cruel on the fans.
- Tue Apr 02, 2024 7:02 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Burnley vs Wolves
- Replies: 338
- Views: 11927
Re: Burnley vs Wolves
Seems Kompany has finally put Amdouni down in the pecking order. Which he deserves until he starts to play better. Great stuff. To be fair he signed Fofana at next opportunity and this is probably the first time he’s had Fofana and Foster fit. Although he could and should have dropped him for other...
- Tue Apr 02, 2024 11:57 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
- Replies: 268
- Views: 12577
Re: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
Unbelievably scary drop in revenues.
Puts the importance of the next 8 games in to context.
Puts the importance of the next 8 games in to context.
- Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:51 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: JJ Watt...
- Replies: 333
- Views: 22484
Re: JJ Watt...
My son works and lives in Florida. He says a lot of sports bars he goes to have the Clarets games on TV with US footy fans adopting Burnley as their UK team. The bar owners say it's all because of JJ Watt and his wife who constantly promote the club on Sports channels nationwide. Apparently the bar...
- Mon Apr 01, 2024 8:51 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Todays football 1st April
- Replies: 110
- Views: 5018
Re: Todays football 1st April
Bamford clears a goal-bound Leeds effort off the line