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by elwaclaret
Sun Jan 14, 2024 11:01 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Turning us around
Replies: 40
Views: 4033

Re: Turning us around

Wokingclaret wrote:
Sun Jan 14, 2024 10:40 pm
When did it change, CFS?
With the building of the Cricketfield stand I suspect. The atmosphere moved to the bee-hole; while the more well to do got to sit it the shiny new underfloor heated stand (for a couple of games, until Bob Lord got the heating bill)
by elwaclaret
Fri Jan 12, 2024 10:57 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Scrap VAR
Replies: 84
Views: 3654

Re: Scrap VAR

Just posted this on the Trafford thread.. If a player barging forward with his back to play blocking the keeper is not obstruction at the very least, something has gone very wrong in the rules. I’m no lover of over protection for goalkeepers, and I prefer the idea of a more robust attitude in genera...
by elwaclaret
Fri Jan 12, 2024 10:54 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: TRAFFORD
Replies: 808
Views: 29828

Re: TRAFFORD

If a player barging forward with his back to play blocking the keeper is not obstruction at the very least, something has gone very wrong in the rules. I’m no lover of over protection for goalkeepers, and I prefer the idea of a more robust attitude in general, but if VAR are not over ruling that the...
by elwaclaret
Fri Jan 12, 2024 2:01 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Sven-Goran Eriksson
Replies: 27
Views: 3247

Re: Sven-Goran Eriksson

Wouldn’t wish it on anyone. I know many will remember him from his England days, but for me the most I ever liked him was the long running saga of him joining t’Rovers. It seemed to go on for months, then last minute telling them he did not fancy it. A Claret could not have done any better. All the ...
by elwaclaret
Fri Jan 12, 2024 1:54 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: It's CTs birthday
Replies: 54
Views: 2243

Re: It's CTs birthday

All the best Tony, Happy Birthday x
by elwaclaret
Thu Jan 11, 2024 2:19 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Martin Paterson
Replies: 30
Views: 3629

Re: Martin Paterson

Paterson reminded me very much of Ian Moore and Liam Robinson for his work rate, but far more confident in front of goal. Had it not been for he bad injury I still think Paterson would have gone on to thrive at the highest level. We missed his ability to terrify defenders and lost a lot from our gam...
by elwaclaret
Wed Jan 10, 2024 9:30 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: 23/24 Season - Burnley Predictor Game - CHELSEA v BURNLEY
Replies: 2272
Views: 144509

Re: 23/24 Season - Burnley Predictor Game - BURNLEY v LUTON

Burnley 3 Luton 2 Amdouni 17mins

Championship
by elwaclaret
Tue Jan 09, 2024 8:40 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: JPR Williams has died
Replies: 17
Views: 2146

Re: JPR Williams has died

Not a rugby fan but I remember thinking as a boy watching Grandstand; “well that is England beaten JPR Williams is playing on the wing”. He seemed unstoppable at the time.

RIP JPR made a big impression on a young kid who was not particularly into Rugby. Another legend of my childhood gone.
by elwaclaret
Mon Jan 08, 2024 4:01 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Cotterill
Replies: 107
Views: 10716

Re: Cotterill

For me Cotterill did a good job of stabilising the club. Only met him a few times, I worked in Whalley at the time and he was a regular with his family at CJ’s sandwich shop. While I avoided interrupting him I had a few chats when we were both waiting for our lunches. He was fine but always looked l...
by elwaclaret
Mon Jan 08, 2024 1:08 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Plum Duff
Replies: 25
Views: 3916

Re: Plum Duff

There would not have been such need in Burnley at that time. Burnley was a boom town growing experientially in the 1860’s-1900. Burnley would still be thriving and prosperous in the main until the Great Depression of the 1930’s when the cotton trade finally hit full implosion with India now able to ...
by elwaclaret
Sun Jan 07, 2024 2:23 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Northener terrifies Londoners by saying "hello"
Replies: 17
Views: 2586

Re: Northener terrifies Londoners by saying "hello"

Mate of mine was utterly shocked on his first visit to a London pub. He walked up to the bar and turning to the bloke next to him said, “It’s busy in here tonight, isn’t it?” “Sorry, I’m not gay” was the answer. The bloke realising his accent then apologised, he’d been living in London for ten years...
by elwaclaret
Sun Jan 07, 2024 2:00 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Amdouni
Replies: 133
Views: 17075

Re: Amdouni

Amdouni is basically our Tella replacement. Doesn't fit into a set position and floats around the front line. I've not seen anything yet that going with him over Tella was a sound decision. At least with Tella, when he was having an off day, he wound up the opposition a bit and was pretty lethal in...
by elwaclaret
Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:40 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Amdouni
Replies: 133
Views: 17075

Re: Amdouni

All that is missing from Amdouni as far as I’m concerned is a settled partnership and a bit of confidence. I expect him to hit a purple patch in front of goal in the not too distant future
by elwaclaret
Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:02 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: How things have changed
Replies: 10
Views: 2420

Re: How things have changed

Steve1956 wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2024 11:39 am
Jasmine tea 😂
WTF. 😂
I’m sure Jasmine is lovely, just ask her what brand she drinks.
by elwaclaret
Sun Jan 07, 2024 11:57 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Why do footballers lift up their shorts?
Replies: 27
Views: 2851

Re: Why do footballers lift up their shorts?

Robbie Fowler used to wear some device to splay his nostrils apparently to give himself extra breathing capacity. Around that time I was watching a game on the Prairie and there was a player running along with his beer belly wobbling over about a 40" waist who was wearing one. It was me and I was g...
by elwaclaret
Sun Jan 07, 2024 11:38 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Old Shirts and Scarves
Replies: 39
Views: 4809

Re: Old Shirts and Scarves

ClaretTony wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2024 11:33 pm
I can understand that. I’ve just made the decision to get rid of my programmes. They are just taking up too much room. I’ve got loads of shirts too.
Boxcar would have plenty to say about that, if he was still here, bless him.
by elwaclaret
Sun Jan 07, 2024 11:29 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: January transfer window rumours.
Replies: 2353
Views: 284168

Re: January transfer window rumours.

The point was about our record of signing players from villa. Neither of them worked out, whatever the reason, whilst they were with us. What they did after is irrelevant. Agreed though, I thought there was a decent player in both of them whilst they were here, Lee moreso than Whittingham. Neither ...
by elwaclaret
Sun Jan 07, 2024 11:03 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: January transfer window rumours.
Replies: 2353
Views: 284168

Re: January transfer window rumours.

Both were shite for us though, which was the point. No I think the point is very much the same: it was not that they were bad players just never given the time they needed to come good, Alan Lee was improving and I remember thinking ‘too soon’ when we binned him. Whittingham was only a two month lo...
by elwaclaret
Sun Jan 07, 2024 10:46 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: January transfer window rumours.
Replies: 2353
Views: 284168

Re: January transfer window rumours.

Is there any club we have a worse record of signing promising youngsters from than Villa? Gary Cahill is on the positive side Whittingham Alan Lee Delfouneso All on the negative side Ramsey tbc Sure there’s others I’ve missed as well…. I find the Alan Lee inclusion a little disingenuous, he had a d...
by elwaclaret
Sat Jan 06, 2024 8:02 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: January transfer window rumours.
Replies: 2353
Views: 284168

Re: January transfer window rumours.

You're right he looked absolutely shell shocked to even be on the pitch initially when he came on against Villa. Should players at this level really be getting stage fright? Hes playing for Burnley not Man Utd, it doesnt say a lot for his mentality if hes struggling to come in to a run of the mill ...
by elwaclaret
Fri Jan 05, 2024 11:03 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: 23/24 Season - Burnley Predictor Game - CHELSEA v BURNLEY
Replies: 2272
Views: 144509

Re: 23/24 Season - Burnley Predictor Game - ASTON VILLA v BURNLEY

HahaYeah wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:56 am
Not sure what you've done here.
Sorry HahaYeah… I used your post instead of re typing , but forgot to delete the quote syntax from the post… as I say sorry
by elwaclaret
Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:20 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: 23/24 Season - Burnley Predictor Game - CHELSEA v BURNLEY
Replies: 2272
Views: 144509

Re: 23/24 Season - Burnley Predictor Game - ASTON VILLA v BURNLEY

League 1

Tottenham Hotspur 3-2 (Foster 12mins)

minute.
by elwaclaret
Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:16 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: PL Prediction League - All Fixtures and Updates - WEEK 29 PREDICTIONS
Replies: 1469
Views: 118077

Re: PL Prediction League - All Fixtures and Updates - ALL FESTIVE FIXTURE PREDICTIONS

Chelsea 1-1 Fulham
Newcastle 1-4 Man-City
Everton 1-2 Aston Villa
Man-Utd 1-2 Tottenham
Burnley 3-2 Luton (FOSTER 34mins)
Arsenal 2-0 Crystal Palace NAP
Brentford 1-1 Nottingham Forest
Sheffield United 1-2 West Ham
Bournemouth 0 v 2 Liverpool
Brighton 2 v 1 Wolves

Total goals = 30
by elwaclaret
Wed Jan 03, 2024 11:22 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Salford City
Replies: 31
Views: 4900

Re: Salford City

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2024 8:21 pm
Alexander for their mate Neil Wood? You are forgetting that Richie Wellens followed Alexander with Gary Bowyer coming in after Wellens. Not far short of two years between Alexander and Wood.
I had yes.
by elwaclaret
Tue Jan 02, 2024 4:53 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Benson to Southampton
Replies: 562
Views: 56960

Re: Benson to Southampton

We'll revisit your unfathomably optimistic posts about the future in August ... I genuinely fear a repeat of the mid 1980s , indeed at this moment in time I really cannot see anything but financial disaster . I think the main difference from the 80’s was that John Jackson really was star struck by ...
by elwaclaret
Tue Jan 02, 2024 1:32 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Salford City
Replies: 31
Views: 4900

Re: Salford City

Rooney sacking not much of a surprise, they have a real lack of chin this season. The sacking of Graham Alexander for their mate Neil Wood I thought was a major mistake, Alexander was steadily building a team that looked capable of progression given time. Rooney being appointed would give Salford th...
by elwaclaret
Mon Jan 01, 2024 2:55 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: RIP John Pilger
Replies: 32
Views: 2574

Re: RIP John Pilger

If you believe leaders appear out of eggs with no socialisation you can ignore history and refute evidence with bigotry. I do not agree with John Pilger’s position on Russia, but I understand his references, even if I disagree with his conclusions. Pilger and others have been taken in by Putin, and ...
by elwaclaret
Mon Jan 01, 2024 1:26 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: RIP John Pilger
Replies: 32
Views: 2574

Re: RIP John Pilger

If you are saying America is to blame when Russia does something bad, that is very stupid. America is very bad and its foreign policy has always been very evil. But when Russia does something bad, that's Russia. This is what Pilger chose not to understand and what made him a massive crank. Haha, ve...
by elwaclaret
Mon Jan 01, 2024 1:19 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: RIP John Pilger
Replies: 32
Views: 2574

Re: RIP John Pilger

He took up the (unfortunately common on the left) position that imperialism is something bad the US and its allies do to the rest of the world. It's a great position when it is applied to things that the US and its allies do but a very stupid position when you use it to justify atrocities committed...
by elwaclaret
Mon Jan 01, 2024 12:46 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: RIP John Pilger
Replies: 32
Views: 2574

Re: RIP John Pilger

Hi position on western antagonism of China was misguided. Not really paid much attention to his comments on China, but again it depends when he was referencing. Chairman Meo initially saw America as an ongoing ally after the war (but not Russia) and appealed for aid (and American influence in their...
by elwaclaret
Mon Jan 01, 2024 12:28 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: According to Prime
Replies: 45
Views: 6252

Re: According to Prime

All good stuff .. one question - Does the Albion Mill team link to Burnley Cricket & Football Club or our club Burnley Rovers ? .. as far as I can see our club was founded as per the newspaper report in September of 1874 and played against the club from Turf Moor on a number of occasions ? It is Bu...
by elwaclaret
Sun Dec 31, 2023 8:24 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Benson to Southampton
Replies: 562
Views: 56960

Re: Benson to Southampton

Exactly where I’m at. I’ve always taken a rather dim view of clubs that discarded players that helped them get promoted. I heavily disliked the Watford multi club approach with Udinese, and the back alley deals, but really, we’re no better now. I’ve always felt, as a club, we had a bit of class. We...
by elwaclaret
Sun Dec 31, 2023 7:31 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: RIP John Pilger
Replies: 32
Views: 2574

Re: RIP John Pilger

His work was certainly thought provoking which made him different and interesting. However I later thought he had an agenda and no longer trusted his reporting. His position on the Ukraine war was a little troublesome, an anti-imperialist questioning Ukraine’s right to exist. However, as ever his h...
by elwaclaret
Sun Dec 31, 2023 4:49 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Adam and Wallace leaving Burnley
Replies: 10
Views: 1446

Re: ARTICLE: Adam and Wallace leaving Burnley

Hope they can establish themselves as a management team, best of luck to them.
by elwaclaret
Sun Dec 31, 2023 3:45 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: RIP John Pilger
Replies: 32
Views: 2574

Re: RIP John Pilger

Remember in an interview many years ago saying the Falklands changed him completely… one of his reports was quoting an officer, “the only thing holding us up is the weather”. The censors changed it to “the only thing holding us up are the politicians” - he decided then that if officials refused to a...
by elwaclaret
Thu Dec 28, 2023 3:07 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Get Eric Dyer
Replies: 56
Views: 6076

Re: Get Eric Dyer

I heard that Dyer was one of the senior pro’s we were looking to bring in the summer, and was close at one point. Hopefully it can be revived, but the interest he is now attracting may put a spanner in the works.
by elwaclaret
Thu Dec 28, 2023 3:03 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Get Eric Dyer
Replies: 56
Views: 6076

Re: Get Eric Dyer

I heard that Dyer was one of the senior pro’s we were looking to bring in the summer, and was close at one point. Hopefully it can be revived, but the interest he is now attracting may put a spanner in the works.
by elwaclaret
Sun Dec 24, 2023 11:21 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Merry Christmas
Replies: 72
Views: 4061

Re: Merry Christmas

Merry Christmas everyone.
by elwaclaret
Sun Dec 24, 2023 12:29 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Oooo George Oghani 1% Club
Replies: 7
Views: 1500

Re: Oooo George Oghani 1% Club

Remember seeing that last time it was on. Remember thinking it was surprising the self proclaimed ‘Rovers fan’ Host did not recognise him or the name.
by elwaclaret
Sat Dec 23, 2023 1:20 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: According to Prime
Replies: 45
Views: 6252

Re: According to Prime

Interestingly, despite being visibly opposed to professionalism, Rovers were up to the same games, hiding players at India Mill and the paint works that became Crown. It was Rovers that killed off the bigger club Darwin by offering wages Darwen could not match and taking over their entire first team...
by elwaclaret
Sat Dec 23, 2023 12:19 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: According to Prime
Replies: 45
Views: 6252

Re: According to Prime

The rugby union was founded in 1871 quite a bit before the football league, which was in 1888. The rugby Union was a locally based game, based on the Rugby rule set of football rules in the area of Rugby, hence it is still called ‘Rugby’ Football…. Same as the ‘Sheffield Rules football’ same as var...
by elwaclaret
Sat Dec 23, 2023 12:30 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: According to Prime
Replies: 45
Views: 6252

Re: According to Prime

…. And of course when I say Burnley, I am referring to the club that became Burnley, through various moves prior to being directly connected to the Cricket Club… Albion Mill’s weavers shed team.
by elwaclaret
Fri Dec 22, 2023 11:06 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: According to Prime
Replies: 45
Views: 6252

Re: According to Prime

And you are re-writing the club’s history. The official line is Burnley Rovers was a rugby club which changed code to association football and dropped the word Rovers. Sorry to jump on this post again CT, but just to add the early history of the club included three or four stops around the town, of...
by elwaclaret
Fri Dec 22, 2023 10:03 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: According to Prime
Replies: 45
Views: 6252

Re: According to Prime

And you are re-writing the club’s history. The official line is Burnley Rovers was a rugby club which changed code to association football and dropped the word Rovers. I am not re- writing anything, I have used primary sources and academic research to research the origins of the football league… my...
by elwaclaret
Fri Dec 22, 2023 9:52 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: According to Prime
Replies: 45
Views: 6252

Re: According to Prime

Burnley played rugby until May 1882 when a meeting at the Bull on Manchester Road opted to change code to association football. Sorry to be pedantic Tony, it may now be considered ‘rugby’ but that was not a term used at the time. Burnley moved from ‘football’ to London Association football. I did a...
by elwaclaret
Fri Dec 22, 2023 9:47 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: According to Prime
Replies: 45
Views: 6252

Re: According to Prime

You are right, we were a rugby club and changed code in May 1882 at the Bull in town. There was no rugby association… the rugby Union was formed after the Football League, the Rugby League quite a while after, they adopted Sheffield and Manchester FA rules…. Football rules, London Association (Eton...
by elwaclaret
Fri Dec 22, 2023 8:38 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: According to Prime
Replies: 45
Views: 6252

Re: According to Prime

I didn’t know that - I always thought we were a rugby club and changed to football. No such thing as ‘rugby’ at the time. The game they played was ‘football’, the Lancashire FA was the second FA and adopted ‘London Association Rules’ (soccer) early. The Manchester association played ‘shefield’ rule...
by elwaclaret
Fri Dec 22, 2023 12:41 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: According to Prime
Replies: 45
Views: 6252

Re: According to Prime

* May have been Albion Mill - ( I did the origins of league football as part of Masters research, but have done several dissertations since). Edit.. Been thinking about it and it was Albion Mill, mixing it up Albert Mill in Rossendale that was part of the Rossendale Methodist research regarding ear...
by elwaclaret
Fri Dec 22, 2023 12:23 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Villa v Sheff U
Replies: 113
Views: 7200

Re: VILLA

Fascinating club. Always wondered why they were named after a hotel… then research revealed the club was formed at the Methodist Church that faced that grand hotel. The main reason the West Midlands became involved with the Lancashire FA forming the football league.
by elwaclaret
Fri Dec 22, 2023 12:11 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: According to Prime
Replies: 45
Views: 6252

Re: According to Prime

* May have been Albion Mill - ( I did the origins of league football as part of Masters research, but have done several dissertations since).