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- Tue Mar 12, 2024 10:23 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
More reports on the Premier Leagues inability to come to a conclusion on the financial support for the EFL The Telegraph ‘Shambolic’ Premier League faces backlash after £900m EFL support plan shelved Funding agreement to help Football League clubs which was first proposed in 2022 has been postponed...
- Tue Mar 12, 2024 3:59 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 980157
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
UEFA have been presenting how the Champions League will look from next season - a key takeaway is that a single league can have up to 7 (seven) representatives in the competition and 11 (eleven in UEFA Club Competitions - is it any wonder Premier League clubs are taking the Europa League/Conference ...
- Tue Mar 12, 2024 3:03 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 980157
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
No doubt many of you have seen that Chelsea have reported a £90m loss last season and had a raised eyebrow or two given what they have spent in the transfer market. Well the new parent company of the club (and its other multi-club partner - there are likely to be more in the stable going forward) h...
- Tue Mar 12, 2024 1:31 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Season tickets next season
- Replies: 697
- Views: 41806
Re: Season tickets next season
There is another way to look at this delay in season ticket announcements and that is the club does not appear to have any pressing cashflow requirements for it's day to day costs - though being a 1st year Premier League team - it shouldn't have. good, timely and appropriate communication is an esse...
- Tue Mar 12, 2024 10:19 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 980157
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
https://x.com/kieranmaguire/status/1767326006883348620?s=46 Interesting tweet from Keiran Maguire discussing the proposed spending caps A lot of that has to do with the UEFA rules already being in place for two years - so the big clubs are already aligned, we should also note that the proposal for ...
- Tue Mar 12, 2024 9:32 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 980157
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
The Financial Times with a useful summary of the issues regarding 777 Partners and their intended takeover of Everton Everton FC bidder 777’s funding structure starts to unravel US insurer with extensive links to investment group looks to raise capital and regain control of assets ceded to reinsurer...
- Mon Mar 11, 2024 10:34 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Stadium Tour
- Replies: 32
- Views: 1947
Re: Stadium Tour
fully aware of that but it is not a real response to what I posted
- Mon Mar 11, 2024 9:12 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Stadium Tour
- Replies: 32
- Views: 1947
- Mon Mar 11, 2024 8:51 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Stadium Tour
- Replies: 32
- Views: 1947
- Mon Mar 11, 2024 8:34 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Stadium Tour
- Replies: 32
- Views: 1947
Re: Stadium Tour
I think you went on the wrong tour. Seems you booked on the ‘Pacebots’ tour by accident. If you’d booked on the ‘Unhappy clappers’ tour they show you decaying parts of the stadium they should’ve upgraded years ago, take you past the bins and Chester Perry rifling though the old paperwork, then acro...
- Mon Mar 11, 2024 7:15 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 980157
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
More reports on the Premier Leagues inability to come to a conclusion on the financial support for the EFL The Telegraph ‘Shambolic’ Premier League faces backlash after £900m EFL support plan shelved Funding agreement to help Football League clubs which was first proposed in 2022 has been postponed ...
- Mon Mar 11, 2024 6:55 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 980157
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
No details but the Premier league says it has agreed a new a new financial system for English Football - id believed to include funding and changes to the PSR rules https://www.premierleague.com/news/3930545 At a Premier League Shareholders’ meeting today clubs agreed to prioritise the swift develo...
- Mon Mar 11, 2024 6:33 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 980157
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
No details but the Premier league says it has agreed a new a new financial system for English Football - id believed to include funding and changes to the PSR rules https://www.premierleague.com/news/3930545 At a Premier League Shareholders’ meeting today clubs agreed to prioritise the swift develop...
- Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:25 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 980157
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Another day, another issue regarding the business practises of 777 Partners Article originally from Bloomberg Would-Be Everton Owner 777 Partners Faces Lawsuit Over Asset Transfers https://finance.yahoo.com/news/everton-owner-777-partners-faces-175423188.html https://archive.ph/sOJnA the Athletic w...
- Fri Mar 08, 2024 2:25 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 980157
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
I have stated this previously, but it is good to have proper legal experts stating it from Sheridan's Sports - Backpage Weekly blog #37 Could this be the most controversial end to a Premier League season yet? In this week's BackPage, we look at the curious case of points deductions, appeals and rele...
- Fri Mar 08, 2024 12:56 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 980157
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
No doubt many of you have seen that Chelsea have reported a £90m loss last season and had a raised eyebrow or two given what they have spent in the transfer market. Well the new parent company of the club (and its other multi-club partner - there are likely to be more in the stable going forward) ha...
- Fri Mar 08, 2024 12:44 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
- Replies: 659
- Views: 61729
Re: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
It is the one aspect that Russel Ball gets a 'tick' forTheFamilyCat wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 12:19 pmI hope the dress code in the director's box is covered in depth.
- Fri Mar 08, 2024 10:34 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 980157
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
I am wondering if this says more about me than the report itself When I heard about Livescore's Evolution of a fan report (looking at sports fandom over the last 25 years) I though that looks like it could be really interesting and prepared my self for a 'proper good read', but the way it is present...
- Fri Mar 08, 2024 12:48 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 980157
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Another day, another issue regarding the business practises of 777 Partners
Article originally from Bloomberg
Would-Be Everton Owner 777 Partners Faces Lawsuit Over Asset Transfers
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/everton- ... 23188.html
https://archive.ph/sOJnA
Article originally from Bloomberg
Would-Be Everton Owner 777 Partners Faces Lawsuit Over Asset Transfers
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/everton- ... 23188.html
https://archive.ph/sOJnA
- Fri Mar 08, 2024 12:09 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 980157
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Journalist Matt Law has managed to get details on the powershare agreement of the owners of Chelsea from The Telegraph Chelsea could change chairman every five years as extraordinary ownership deal revealed Exclusive: A written agreement between Todd Boehly and Clearlake Capital allows the club’s ch...
- Thu Mar 07, 2024 5:41 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Season tickets next season
- Replies: 697
- Views: 41806
- Thu Mar 07, 2024 5:40 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Season tickets next season
- Replies: 697
- Views: 41806
Re: Season tickets next season
you are within your rights - do it at least 24hrs before it is dueTheivley Pike wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 5:30 pmWhat’s the legal situation if I just cancel my DD at the bank?
https://www.directdebit.co.uk/using-dir ... ect-debit/
- Thu Mar 07, 2024 5:06 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Season tickets next season
- Replies: 697
- Views: 41806
Re: Season tickets next season
found this about DD payment changes - though I do not know what the t&c's of early bird season tickets with DD are https://www.accesspaysuite.com/blog/bacs-underlines-the-rules-about-advance-notice/#:~:text=Is%20there%20a%20default%20advance,signs%20up%20for%20Direct%20Debit. Is there a default adva...
- Thu Mar 07, 2024 4:41 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Season tickets next season
- Replies: 697
- Views: 41806
Re: Season tickets next season
Apparently if you wish to cancel your direct debit season ticket you have to do it before 20th March .At this rate that will be before the top secret prices are revealed I am reasonably sure that from a legal standpoint that the club have to give adequate notice of a price increase before a new ter...
- Thu Mar 07, 2024 4:36 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 980157
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Here is what I believe a great example of football being using as a political relationship tool we have this from The Athletic, which all seems like business as normal for CFG as a football enterprise Manchester City owner CFG announces ‘football collaboration’ with Istanbul Basaksehir https://arch...
- Thu Mar 07, 2024 1:57 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 980157
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Never, ever let anyone tell you politics has no place in sport, particularly football. It is all about politics at the highest levels these days and actually the act of turning professional and the introduction of the Football League itself in 1888 was a very political act. Another example of footb...
- Thu Mar 07, 2024 12:50 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Directors box
- Replies: 92
- Views: 6062
Re: Directors box
So people are correct that times are changed, but not so in offering the reasons why, though they illustrate it perfectly on occasion. Formality in dress used to be done as a mark of respect for: - the role you undertook - the person/client/customer you were facing - the occasion/event/gathering you...
- Thu Mar 07, 2024 12:28 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 980157
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
So here is something that I can see catching on quickly - Tottenham have announced that they are phasing out Senior Concessions in season tickets from the season after next, no new ones will be sold, even to longstanding season ticket holders who would have normally become entitled - here Martin Clo...
- Thu Mar 07, 2024 10:15 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Mud analytics
- Replies: 273
- Views: 7935
Re: Mud analytics
That leaves two options123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 7:49 amWithout Egan-Riley it would still be 8 first team players out on loan
- one of the other loans is now classed as a a sale
or
- the FIFA rule is just for outfield players only - so goalkeepers do not count
- Wed Mar 06, 2024 8:15 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Mud analytics
- Replies: 273
- Views: 7935
Re: Mud analytics
Egan Riley is classed as an U21 this season123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 7:26 pmIs that rule not for international loans because don’t we have more than 7 senior players out on loan at the moment
Peacock-Farrell
Roberts
McNally
Egan-Riley
Bastien
Twine
Zaroury
Obafemi
Weghorst
- Wed Mar 06, 2024 2:31 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Mud analytics
- Replies: 273
- Views: 7935
- Wed Mar 06, 2024 1:32 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Mud analytics
- Replies: 273
- Views: 7935
Re: Mud analytics
Yeah - point more is that there is a difference between loans for development (such as those we see with Dundee etc) and loans because we can't sell them and want part of their salary off the pay roll. The former can be an intelligent way to give young players experience, the latter is a sign of pr...
- Wed Mar 06, 2024 1:13 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Mud analytics
- Replies: 273
- Views: 7935
Re: Mud analytics
I would certainly expect a mass clear-out - whether it is a necessity for financial reasons or not. It's going to be very interesting to see if ALK are ready and willing to go through a third straight summer of mass player trading and acquisition. I would add another metric into Mooney's analysis -...
- Wed Mar 06, 2024 1:02 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 980157
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
I never ceased to be amazed at what football fans will condone in regards to it's ownership if their team is being successful on the pitch, relative to its history
from The Athletic
The EFL club owned by a convicted fraudster
https://archive.ph/88vWU
from The Athletic
The EFL club owned by a convicted fraudster
https://archive.ph/88vWU
- Wed Mar 06, 2024 12:48 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Mud analytics
- Replies: 273
- Views: 7935
Re: Mud analytics
There is some insight into VK"s business partner in MUD Lee Mooney's approach in this article where he looks at a Belgian club https://trainingground.guru/articles/lee-mooney-why-union-saint-gilloise-are-ridiculous This, in particular stands out: “Let’s say you’ve put €100m in, have €100m of annual...
- Wed Mar 06, 2024 10:17 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 980157
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
On the page next to it was a full pager on what went wrong for Sheff Utd this season. Yet i don't recall seeing anything yet on Burnley other than a paragraph from Tony Cascarino the other day which was basically about the Bournemouth shambles. Ours is surely a much more interesting and involved st...
- Wed Mar 06, 2024 9:59 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 980157
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
It is a tale that many here are familiar with - but one that underlines how English Football can be directly impacted by a government and political choices in a far away country - the perils of international ownership, even from something so seemingly innocuous as buying a house from The Athletic Ho...
- Wed Mar 06, 2024 9:52 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 980157
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
If your of the notion that football has been killed by tv and that there has been an of exposure of the game and its 'celebrity' associations - and a strong case can be made for that - then this news is probably not for you. A separate question is how on earth has Shaun Harvey become a voice once m...
- Wed Mar 06, 2024 9:13 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 980157
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
I rarely agree with Martin Samuel these days, at times he appears to be contradictory just for the sake of clicks - his latest column in The Times, begins with acerbic satire, but actually is making a relevant point about the way the game is travelling at ever greater speed, though it never seems to...
- Tue Mar 05, 2024 11:15 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Mud analytics
- Replies: 273
- Views: 7935
Re: Mud analytics
I believe (as with most things that people get wound up about) that it is more complicated than has been portrayed here. In football most clubs (who can afford it), bring in data (and models from multiple suppliers and either apply their own models on to it and/or employ agencies to look at specific...
- Tue Mar 05, 2024 10:47 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Mud analytics
- Replies: 273
- Views: 7935
Re: Mud analytics
NoSuperjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 10:44 pmSo let me get this right
All last seasons bargains were brought in via IST analytics
This seasons extravagant buys were brought in via MUD?
Is that right?
If so looks like we need to go back to last years methods.
- Tue Mar 05, 2024 10:44 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 980157
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
This decision was not too surprising, neither is the likely dissenter who once again may test this rule through the courts, it is a routine that is becoming habitual for them, kind of ironic for a club/ownership that doesn't like rules from The Athletic Premier League clubs vote for stricter rules ...
- Tue Mar 05, 2024 1:28 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Mud analytics
- Replies: 273
- Views: 7935
Re: Mud analytics
must say that the adeola Friday input on this thread is far more preferable to the bickering
- Tue Mar 05, 2024 12:48 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 980157
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68476722 Only had a quick look at the headlines numbers but some eye watering numbers here. £120m losses last year. Year before only broke even due to £100m sale of Grealish. So whilst they may be still technically within the £105m permitted losses over a 3 year...
- Tue Mar 05, 2024 11:27 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 980157
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
If your of the notion that football has been killed by tv and that there has been an of exposure of the game and its 'celebrity' associations - and a strong case can be made for that - then this news is probably not for you. A separate question is how on earth has Shaun Harvey become a voice once mo...
- Tue Mar 05, 2024 11:08 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Leicester
- Replies: 14
- Views: 2195
- Tue Mar 05, 2024 10:13 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Leicester
- Replies: 14
- Views: 2195
Re: Leicester
Is anyone else sick of teams cheating? Everton, Forest, Man City and probably Chelsea all in breach of FFP/PSR rules. Even with points deductions to some of these teams it will hardly affect their league status. This shows that it is worth breaking the rules and cheating for the clubs involved. I a...
- Tue Mar 05, 2024 9:38 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 980157
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
with the Premier League seemingly looking to meet Everton this week (The Athletic) 777 expecting Everton takeover meeting with Premier League this week https://archive.ph/fRiBc and concerns mounting about what happens if the waiting goes on into another month, though I have long said 777 Partners fi...
- Mon Mar 04, 2024 9:32 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Mud analytics
- Replies: 273
- Views: 7935
Re: Mud analytics
This link gives you every instance Mud analytics has been used on this board - over three quarter of them have been on this thread as a result of its title - note it is sorted with the most recent instances first https://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboard/search.php?keywords=Mud+Analytics&fid%5B0%5D=2
- Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:22 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9881
- Views: 980157
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
A tale that epitomises modern football, where so much can come so quickly to someone so young, who then struggles to understand that he is not omnipotent before it all is taken away so fast - though for Mason Greenwood it looks like Spain is going to give him the opportunity to to eventually succeed...