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- Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:47 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9978
- Views: 1013888
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
That doesn't mean it shouldn't be done, as long as it remains objective and all assumptions are clearly stated, who knows, it may even provoke some greater level of openness - even if it is a rebuke (though I doubt such a response would occur).
- Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:34 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Current Season Void Or Continue
- Replies: 662
- Views: 38509
Re: Current Season Void Or Continue
I suggest that Deeney's confidence was raised when he saw the results of multiple rounds of testing, and understanding the rigour of that having gone through it himself - It would probably have the same effect on most from this board.
- Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:28 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Sales to recover losses.
- Replies: 32
- Views: 2865
Re: Sales to recover losses.
Just going off the Chairman's words several weeks ago. If he thought we wouldn't be n too much trouble should revenues drop by £50 million then the latest estimates of around £15 million cut to the TV rights for this season leaves us reasonably comfortable. Every season every team outside the top 6...
- Mon Jun 15, 2020 11:22 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Sales to recover losses.
- Replies: 32
- Views: 2865
Re: Sales to recover losses.
The Chairman said a few weeks ago that the club wouldn't want to but could stand losses up to £50 million. I'm sure that we won't need to cash in on our best players because of a cash crisis. In fact, I'm pretty sure we will be out there looking to pick up bargains from those clubs who are totally ...
- Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:08 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9978
- Views: 1013888
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
It is looking like the once mightier Kaiserslauten are heading for bankruptcy as they struggle with covid19 and life as a midtable third tier team https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.faz.net%2Faktuell%2Fsport%2Ffussball%2Fmedien-1-fc-kaiserslautern-stellt-insolvenz...
- Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:35 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Emptyhad v Clarets
- Replies: 29
- Views: 3439
Re: Emptyhad v Clarets
I think there is a sweepstake opportunity here as to when the board will fall over due to the number of users on it at the same time - I hope it has been bolstered up thee are likely to be more than the usual people interested in seeing the post match comment simply as their is not watering hole to ...
- Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:29 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9978
- Views: 1013888
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I wasn't sure where to post this, but here seemed as good a place as any. This could put the cat among the pigeons after what happened in France with the court hearing. Hearts to mount legal challenge over Scottish Premiership relegation https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53053246 it certainly fi...
- Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:05 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9978
- Views: 1013888
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Looks that Bournemouth are some trouble currently which will require more than a shirt sponsor to secure an escape. Still, five consecutive Prem seasons was no doubt way beyond their expectations some ten years ago when they languished in League Two with a points-deduction and transfer embargo. Inc...
- Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:51 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Are we entering a new era in League Football?
- Replies: 8
- Views: 1184
Re: Are we entering a new era in League Football?
The lower leagues and non league surely can't cease to exist as there will no players available in the future for the clubs who do survive. Talk about killing the goose that laid the golden egg. I think it's the same with SKY - if they insist on repayment for games not televised on their pay channe...
- Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:32 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9978
- Views: 1013888
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
For the first time that I am aware of Simon Chadwick puts his recent twitter thinking re sports-washing/legitimacy though the understanding of the understanding of the wider/deeper research area of Green-washing into an article, here using the example "du jour" the proposed Newcastle takeover - from...
- Mon Jun 15, 2020 3:42 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9978
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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Tom Reed is using the current mess at Charlton to justify his call for the fan involvement in the ownership of football clubs - I find it telling that he is a Northampton Town supporter - Fan ownership can (it is still difficult) work in the lower reaches of the EFL (it is difficult to do so in Leag...
- Mon Jun 15, 2020 3:00 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9978
- Views: 1013888
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
It is a question I have hinted at in the last 18 months or so and more often recently - the Football Today Podcast asks "Are Arsenal still a top 6 club?"
https://www.footballtodaypodcast.com/po ... top-6-club
https://www.footballtodaypodcast.com/po ... top-6-club
- Mon Jun 15, 2020 2:23 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9978
- Views: 1013888
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
and to add to their issues - The deal with their shirt sponsor finished yesterday and no new one currently insight - strongly suspect that will be determined by the league they find themselves in next season. Sounds like they may pick up some positive PR points in the restart though (though few wil...
- Mon Jun 15, 2020 1:56 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9978
- Views: 1013888
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@SwissRamble takes his turn at the Premier League 2018/19 financial review - Starting with the big 6 - the other 14 to follow on another day
https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/ ... 0792396800
https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/ ... 0792396800
- Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:25 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9978
- Views: 1013888
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
It would seem that post pandemic revaluations (and not just of players transfer fees and wages) are going to be difficult to swallow. Our friend The Esk suspects that while owners may not like it financiers will put lower values/higher risks on clubs and adjust the cost of financing accordingly. Fro...
- Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:43 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9978
- Views: 1013888
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That story in the Telegraph followed this from yesterday Staring at a financial black hole with an ageing squad, how long can Barcelona remain La Liga's dominant force? Luke Edwards June 12, 2020 When Barcelona press play on a campaign paused since March, they will have a third successive La Liga ti...
- Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:26 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9978
- Views: 1013888
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It has been some time since the Telegraph has had a dig at the finances of La Liga's big 2 - the game there must be returning La Liga’s big two are sleepwalking into a financial calamity Sam Wallace June 13, 2020 Real Madrid resume their league season on Sunday at home to Eibar, home being the 6,000...
- Sat Jun 13, 2020 10:54 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Sepp Blatter wants his watches back
- Replies: 23
- Views: 3780
- Sat Jun 13, 2020 9:44 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9978
- Views: 1013888
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Swiss Authorities inform Sepp Blatter that he is the target of a criminal investigation in Switzerland for suspected mismanagement of a $1 million payment from soccer funds. Again about FIFA business with Jack Warner, latest case follows the Caribbean TV deal closed by prosecutors a few weeks ago. -...
- Sat Jun 13, 2020 9:10 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9978
- Views: 1013888
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The Mail with a progress report on the Newcastle takeover - it is quite thorough and appropriately undecided as to whether the takeover will ever complete. The never-ending saga? Newcastle's £300m sale remains in limbo amid fallout of broadcast piracy in Saudi Arabia as Premier League ask buyers to ...
- Sat Jun 13, 2020 6:52 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9978
- Views: 1013888
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This is good reading as usual from the New York Times Football crew - just how has French football got itself into such a mess, perhaps this is why the English game as a whole has long distanced itself from an Independent government appointed regulator How French Soccer Fell Apart France’s Ligue 1 i...
- Sat Jun 13, 2020 6:19 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9978
- Views: 1013888
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
This article in today's Financial Times is interesting - it talks about the factoring tap being switched off, this makes sense if the margin of interest charged is no longer available as profit for clubs on reduced revenues and high fixed costs. It just goes to underline how smart Spurs have been wi...
- Sat Jun 13, 2020 5:57 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Sean piece in today’s Times
- Replies: 40
- Views: 5327
Re: Sean piece in today’s Times
He does that kind of thing already, not too often, but is very well regarded for it
- Sat Jun 13, 2020 4:20 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: We are one of the most economical teams
- Replies: 5
- Views: 813
Re: We are one of the most economical teams
If you look at the source material then it is based on data from the 2017/18 season and then applied to this season's results which is just a shocking way to justify an argument the source material is here and it difficult to understand what they are trying to do other than get some publicity for th...
- Sat Jun 13, 2020 4:09 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9978
- Views: 1013888
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Much of the debate about the proposed Saudi back takeover has been focussed on the Saudi issue, perhaps it is time some attention be focussed on the person who would be actively running the club - Amanda Staveley and PCP - If the current court case in regard to her demanding £1.5 billion from Barcla...
- Sat Jun 13, 2020 2:44 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9978
- Views: 1013888
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This pandemic has been a hammer blow to Spurs, i would think they will not be spending money on new players and it may hasten the exit of Kane, which will enrage their support. I think that depends on how long the pandemic lasts and possibly more importantly for everyone if there is a second lockdo...
- Sat Jun 13, 2020 2:24 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9978
- Views: 1013888
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A long (16 pages or so, which is why it is not transcribed) interview with Simon Chadwick - PLAYING GAMES IN THE GULF How GCC Nations Use Sport to Build Power and Position https://www.iris-france.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Obs-sport-Itw-Chadwick-juin-2020.pdf As ever Chadwick is informative and ...
- Sat Jun 13, 2020 2:15 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Sean piece in today’s Times
- Replies: 40
- Views: 5327
Re: Sean piece in today’s Times
I’ve read a good few derogatory comments about Dyche, on the message boards of other teams. I’ve yet to meet one person, when out and about working across the country, who doesn’t rate Dyche highly, and there have been plenty of them. There have been a good few derogatory comments about Dyche, on t...
- Sat Jun 13, 2020 2:10 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9978
- Views: 1013888
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No surprise that Spurs are at the forefront of trying to get fans back to games - Matchday revenue is now a huge cornerstone of their financial model and given that Spurs now probably derive more matchday income than any club in the league, they will want to bring it back asap to help with their on-...
- Sat Jun 13, 2020 2:03 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9978
- Views: 1013888
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Football is returning though, it's being taken too literally, everyone knows it's only at the top 2 levels, whether that's right or not is immaterial. The rest of football can't return because it is deemed to be unsafe to do so, that's the point. It's arguing over semantics. It is a bit more than t...
- Sat Jun 13, 2020 1:44 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9978
- Views: 1013888
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Can't say i agree with the premise of that article. Great thread this Chester. Which is fine - The Football Collective are Academics and (as I have said a few times) are prone to let their politics drive their line of argument. I don't think that this the case here. The point is that football is a ...
- Sat Jun 13, 2020 1:36 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9978
- Views: 1013888
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Many of you will have no doubt read today about the state of football's finances based on a new report from Deloitte Here is the actual report - Deloitte Annual review of Football Finance 2020: Home Truths https://www2.deloitte.com/content/dam/Deloitte/uk/Documents/sports-business-group/deloitte-uk...
- Sat Jun 13, 2020 1:22 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9978
- Views: 1013888
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Many may think that Football returns on Wednesday, it doesn't. the Premier League does in an almost video game version of itself (with the Championship to quickly follow in a similar vein). In this article on TheFootballCollective.org.uk Mark Doidge clearly explains why. Be careful what you wish for...
- Sat Jun 13, 2020 1:13 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Burnley F C in pictures
- Replies: 844
- Views: 121145
- Sat Jun 13, 2020 12:15 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9978
- Views: 1013888
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Mediaset make an interesting challenge of the prospect of free to air Serie A games during it's restart. By allowing only existing partners to air games free to Air the Premier League has benefitted from avoiding such issues - particularly given that the BBC does not have advertisers. From SportsBus...
- Sat Jun 13, 2020 12:02 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9978
- Views: 1013888
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From SportsProMedia.com Five ways data and technology are advancing OTT As live sports return to our screens, technology and data will play an increasingly important role in the viewing experience. With SportsPro's latest Insider Series focusing on streaming and broadcast, our writers present five t...
- Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:54 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9978
- Views: 1013888
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This article in Sports Illustrated provides a good insight into the changing nature of commercial sponsorship in sport (quite interesting that the change it describes bookends Manchester United's last Premier League title and Liverpool's first as a means of signalling a new order) Push Towards Perfo...
- Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:44 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9978
- Views: 1013888
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Appreciate the very kind words about the podcast today - if there's a Burnley related one I'm always happy to contribute. Equally I would be happy to have any Burnley fans on a podcast hosted by myself. Thanks for having me on here, and for taking interest in my content. There is some food for thou...
- Fri Jun 12, 2020 3:44 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9978
- Views: 1013888
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The vultures are at the door - Bain capital hope to counter CVC's offer for a share of Serie A *that is the third investment group to show an interest) - from SportsProMedia.com Report: Bain Capital tables ‘€3bn’ Serie A investment offer US investment firm set to rival CVC for stake in Italian socce...
- Fri Jun 12, 2020 2:56 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9978
- Views: 1013888
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This is what's driving people to feel divorced from football nowadays, we're going through a global pandemic, which as well as killing many will almost certainly lead to a global recession at worst, and a significant downturn at best, and major job losses and the subsequent problems that will bring...
- Fri Jun 12, 2020 2:08 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9978
- Views: 1013888
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Cheers for that, Chester. Will give the podcast a listen later this evening. It is quite interesting Roy, Paul as ever gives us lots to think about, though I do think he gets interrupted to often. It also goes some way to answering my question about how the Academy and naming rights preferred bidde...
- Fri Jun 12, 2020 12:32 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9978
- Views: 1013888
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due out Friday lunch-time apparently https://twitter.com/theesk/status/1271187460987420673 - in the meantime this podcast featuring Simon Chadwick from SportsPro is well worth a listen - some very good points about leadership in there PODCAST | Sport and wealth distribution: Simon Chadwick on the f...
- Thu Jun 11, 2020 11:49 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9978
- Views: 1013888
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Any news on the podcast to date, Chester? due out Friday lunch-time apparently https://twitter.com/theesk/status/1271187460987420673 - in the meantime this podcast featuring Simon Chadwick from SportsPro is well worth a listen - some very good points about leadership in there PODCAST | Sport and we...
- Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:50 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Oh dear Blackburn Rovers...
- Replies: 35
- Views: 4004
Re: Oh dear Blackburn Rovers...
Sunderland tried something along these lines until someone pointed out that it was illegal - then of course they found out hey were not going to play the rest of the season out. The wording is careful, though leading, but does not remove the right of refund. As it happens their have been a few posts...
- Thu Jun 11, 2020 1:34 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9978
- Views: 1013888
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Many of you will have no doubt read today about the state of football's finances based on a new report from Deloitte Here is the actual report - Deloitte Annual review of Football Finance 2020: Home Truths https://www2.deloitte.com/content/dam/Deloitte/uk/Documents/sports-business-group/deloitte-uk-...
- Thu Jun 11, 2020 2:14 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Video: CEO | Clarets Chief On Premier League Restart
- Replies: 14
- Views: 942
Re: Video: CEO | Clarets Chief On Premier League Restart
I just don’t understand all this negativity. Firstly, we’re likely the best run club in the PL from a financial perspective. Debt free and cash in the bank. If we’re on a precipice, god help the rest. This is a time when being well run should pay dividends. Secondly, what are we really likely to lo...
- Wed Jun 10, 2020 8:14 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9978
- Views: 1013888
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
I am afraid I don't knowRoyboyclaret wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 7:33 pmHear what you're saying, different areas to be accounted from the yearly pot of £1.8bn.
But why the two different starting points of £1,376m for equal payments and £1,612m for facility fees and merit payments?
- Wed Jun 10, 2020 8:13 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9978
- Views: 1013888
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Vysyble have added this 5 year picture of Economic profit performance in the Premier League and Championship https://twitter.com/vysyble/status/1270692909776605184 Vysyble now look at the Economic profit of 14 Premier League clubs that benefited from whole 2016/19 tv cycle https://twitter.com/vysyb...
- Wed Jun 10, 2020 7:52 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9978
- Views: 1013888
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Man City's appeal at CAS as now been heard - and we await the verdict, which is likely to be some tome next month
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52996373
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52996373
- Wed Jun 10, 2020 7:51 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9978
- Views: 1013888
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AFC Wimbledon moving to New Plough Lane in October. ‘To lead AFC Wimbledon back to Plough Lane after all these years, it was too good to pass up’ https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/03130002-ab00-11ea-adef-7962e28cd764?shareToken=dcf27d3047aaab27d16d6bd38ec66b09 Think this is an antidote to football...