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Same old same old. I am still waiting for the EU to budge on anything significant. Their unity will soon imo.

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Surely the ERG and DUP will back the brady amendment but say they will only vote for a deal when the time comes that has something legally binding rw the backdrop. That gives a clear message ti the EU and stops the anti no deal amendment. This all assumes Bercow does what he should and take brady fi...

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We will see tomorrow.

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Just listened to a new interview with Sir Graham Brady on Sky News. Absolute pragmatic common sense, practically and politically from Sir GB.

We now need John Mann, Caroline Flint, Graham Stringer,Kate Hoey etl to vote for the amendment to balance out the tory remainer traitors.

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We will end up eith a canada type deal if people stop interfering.

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2 weeks? Rather 2 years. It was obvious that the tory party would never back a soft brexit. She has played for time and it was always going to come down to brinkmanship.

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Tbf if i had a 60/40 seat i would not want to be seen to undermining brexit. If a tory in that position i would expect to be deselected.

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May backs the brady amendment and will whip it. However JRM says its not enough as not legally binding.

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Just watched today's politics live on catch up. Cable still thinks there should be a referendum between May's deal and remain. Really- no wonder the LDs are in the political wilderness.

So that's remain forever (May's deal with backstop) or remain but there is an A50. The man is a moron.

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Maybe the erg are playing a game with bercow so he may pick the brady amendment first.

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ERG not backing this amendment btw. So we are back to the ERG paralyzing democracy in their quest for a "No Deal" which no one voted for. What a time to be alive eh? The have not met yet and are still pressing may to adopt sonething on the backstop. I think this is their last chance to get a proper...

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Don't risk jbg if any doubt. We need him to start against the saints

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The reality is that if she can't get DUP support its the end of her government. The backstop is a tool to keep the EU in charge and Ireland will getting an increased subsidy if it does as it been told.

Maybe we need to bribe them as well.

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No it could not be clearer. It is so important that i would rather not leave atm than be tied to the EU like that. We have to try and get a limit to the backstop. If the HOC allow May to do that and the EU wont play ball, then I'd be pretty sure leave would increase its majority in any 2nd referendum.

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The draft political agreement is deliberately vague and leaves open Norway and canada type type deals for discussions after we leave. That IS the compromise for now. If there is an unlimited backstop then Canada would never happen and the EU win and we dont get a proper Brexit imo. Norway is not wor...

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martin_p wrote:The government want the WA accepted as is.

Well it won't get that and it knows it.

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So we should abandon having a level playing field in the trade discussions without trying to get one?

The fact is this country has not agreed a deal with the EU yet as the Government needs HOC consent. Just like the EP needs to consent rather than the EC.

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He should let the Government do it's job. Anything else is out of order.

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When he selects the amendments if he lets the Government do its job. Or will he side with those determined to overturn/stop a proper Brexit? It is now pretty obvious that the ERG and DUP are likely to back the Brady amendment re the backstop. If so and only a handful of tory remainers don't, then th...

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martin_p wrote:It’s a bit of a pointless amendment as it’s almost certainly what May is saying to the EU anyway.

Not sure she has actually asked straight out.

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Well we now have the Graham Brady amendment which if passed will put the ball firmly back in the EU's court. Id Bercow does not take this one first there will be a riot.

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They allowed the EU to dictate so as the get a soft brexit. Just like the backstop allows the EU to dictate rhe trade discussions. Hence why the erg and dup won't allow a cop out deal. It was nit negligence it was planned with the EU. Leave voters won't have it.

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Don't think they think that. They understand how deals are done. It's simple - don't rule out no deal just yet whilst discussions are ongoing with the EU. Caroline Flint was spot on on this week last night. She won't be voting for Y Cooper's anendment. Just needs a dozen or so labour mps to do the s...

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There will be a deal. It just needs people like Sourby whose area voted leave to stop being prats.

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Money money money.

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The chance of remain. Doh! They don't care about what working people think.

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Playing jbg wod be crazy. He could be injured again after 2 games. He has to play against the saints.

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They are all at it now. Just as there might be a chink in the EU, the cabinet remainers are trying to stop a deal with a limited backstop by calling for n0 deal to be ruled out now. The political declaration allows the battle for the type of trade deal to be fought after we leave. Why can't they jus...

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Whatever you think if him, he was thd main reason why leave won.

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According to the express a trade deal has been agreed in principle with Israel. Labour will love that.

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The people to blame if there is no deal will be Grieve, Greening and Sourby etl.

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I want MEPs that will challenge the EU and in particular the EC.

My point goes way beyond the euros. Its 2 main parties control of local and national government that will be challenged.

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You might be but such a new party would have a good chance of winning burnley and plenty of other seats in the north, Midlands and east if a proper brexit does not happen. In particular if we don't control our own borders. I have never voted ukip, but would be likely to vote for a broad based brexit...

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The tory party needs to be very careful. Ditto Labour. Farage last night suggested that a new party is about to be launched to fight any euro elections in may. The brexit party. It would likely send 70 odd Farages to frustrate Juncker etl. Add this to god knows what from eastern europe, france and I...

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Anything imposed on the UK that means one part is treated differently to the rest is not acceptable and an open goal for the SNP. It won't happen. The EU will blink first if the HOC does not interfere. Once a deal is agreed a short extension of A50 will follow to allow enabling legislation.

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It is and always was a tool to frustrate Brexit.

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You sure about that? Its not a brexit that is worth giving up all of the current plusses for.

Anyway the Dup won't vote for anything with an unlimited backstop and may bring the gov down if a deal is agreed with such a backstop. Something which all of the tory remain rebels seem to be forgetting.

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I think they would have to reconsider if it was voted through. Indefinite nature is totally unreasonable we can't agree to it in any circumstances. I'd rather remain for now as any trade deal agreed would be one-sided. If they won't budge if we voted for Murrision's amendment, then leave would win a...

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It is looking like the erg and Dup will vote for Andrew Murrision's amendment that the backstop would expire by 31 dec 2021. If so this would mean that we could be very near to May's deal getting approved. Now over to Bercow. Will this amendment to be voted on first or will he choose one that can fr...

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If the EU were to allow us to stay in the customs union and negotiate a bespoke single market alignment AND allow us an independent immigration policy then that would definitely have (imo) a lot of support in parliament and with both moderate leave and remain supporters. Not a cat in hell's chance ...

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I can understand how you’d be dissatisfied with Labour’s position as outlined, but then I was dissatisfied with May’s position of her deal, or leave without one. If this was a work it would probably be sorted out along the following lines. All mps are involved in informal in private workshops which...

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One thing is pretty certain. Once we leave that's it. No way back in on existing terms and no way this country would accept the euro and being in Schengen.

And our rebate will be gone.

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Re what Mcdonald said, why would you need a referendum if Labour's proposal got through parliament anyway ?

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So based on what Mcdonnell said on Newsnight last night, Labour would hold a second referendum on it's option of a CU and some vague ST relationship with a simple yes or no. When asked what that meant he said if no won we would not leave the EU. So we either can vote for not a proper leave or remain...

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That's my point. The EU won't budge because it thinks we will change our mind.

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The conservative party does NOT want no deal. It does however want the best deal possible and won't get that if it lets go of the main weapon it has left before the EU starts being reasonable. The Uk establishment is aiding and abetting the EU ans has been from day 1. The government recently won a v...

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And some them said this has to be final referendum as well, including blair and his henceman campbell. Unbelievable.

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That is exactly what May is warning about. You hold a second vote, democracy is effectively dead for many people. If the Second one did give a remain result, how does that over rule the first. It’s then a draw, you need a third to get a result. The thing that really gets me is the MP’s TrueType bel...

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AV lost. Do you want to re run that as well?

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I think it would have to be a reality before that could be nailed down. But I can't see it being passed unless there is a "remain" option. Again though, we have to try to get a deal first. That should not be as hard as it appears at the moment, and realistically all we have to do is take the "No De...

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