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by Chester Perry
Tue Apr 09, 2024 4:19 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: POLL: If we were a Premier League Club - question about playing a game abroad…
Replies: 21
Views: 943

Re: POLL: If we were a Premier League Club - question about playing a game abroad…

Currently this is prevented by FIFA statutes, which have been repeatedly challenged by football promoter Relevent through a series of court cases in the US spanning the last 5 years and which are still ongoing. Critically FIFA has been a co-defendant with the MLS in all these cases - now following a...
by Chester Perry
Tue Apr 09, 2024 4:15 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 9988
Views: 1017698

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

It is a court case (or more strictly a series of court cases that have been running for quite a while now where by Relevent of the summer ICC tournament/friendlies has tried to get legal sanction to stage in season none American League (La Liga was the main option) games on American soil. this week...
by Chester Perry
Tue Apr 09, 2024 4:00 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 9988
Views: 1017698

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

This should not come as a surprise - and as we have seen with the initial launch of Super League and the Newcastle takeover by PiF, the UK government has been active in accommodating influential powers and helping them involve themselves in the game - and I do not expect anything less form any party...
by Chester Perry
Mon Apr 08, 2024 6:11 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 9988
Views: 1017698

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

It seems that the Premier League haven't given up on blocking the Football Governance Bill or that a co-owner of a football club that tried to blitz it's way past rivals by chucking money it could never make itself at it, is still unhappy that the finances in football are not fair when he wants some...
by Chester Perry
Mon Apr 08, 2024 5:57 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Out of contract
Replies: 51
Views: 3469

Re: Out of contract

GetIntoEm wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2024 10:47 am
The club have the finances to keep them all short term if we wanted, just dont think theres any point
I would be interested in seeing you demonstrate the actuality of that claim you are making with a surprising degree of certainty
by Chester Perry
Mon Apr 08, 2024 5:42 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 9988
Views: 1017698

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

All the focus at the moment is on Everton's 2nd points penalty, but as we know there are some big challenges on the near horizon, Will 777 Partners find that money by next Monday? Here are Philippe Auclair and Paul Brown with a 19th instalment on their investigation into the finance and Liquidity is...
by Chester Perry
Mon Apr 08, 2024 5:34 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Everton - 2 more points deducted.
Replies: 72
Views: 4459

Re: Everton - 2 more points deducted.

Chester Perry references the "public lies about taking the Premier League warnings seriously" and this became abundantly clear when their Operating Loss for the last financial year was published at £89m. Never a chance that they would be within the PSR threshold of £105m. But it gets worse......I'v...
by Chester Perry
Mon Apr 08, 2024 5:31 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Everton - 2 more points deducted.
Replies: 72
Views: 4459

Re: Everton - 2 more points deducted.

Absolutely makes a mockery of the whole system. They cheated ( there is no other word did it) the punishment should have been relegation, the same applies to Forest. By doing so it sends a strong and clear message. These points deductions are arbitrary and effectively in this case means you can che...
by Chester Perry
Mon Apr 08, 2024 5:27 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Everton - 2 more points deducted.
Replies: 72
Views: 4459

Re: Everton - 2 more points deducted.

My head could explode at them now bringing the invasion of Ukraine in as a reason for a deduction. Plus if you are stone cold guilty why would you not cooperate? Totally corrupt w*nkers but we’ve known that for many years. IMG_4033.jpeg wasn't this part of the appeal the first time - if it was gran...
by Chester Perry
Mon Apr 08, 2024 5:25 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Everton - 2 more points deducted.
Replies: 72
Views: 4459

Re: Everton - 2 more points deducted.

It seems that the speeded up process meant that an additional item of dispute that Everton will not admit they have got wrong - was not part of the judgement and will be heard separately after the legal teams make the appropriate preparations - likely to be next season no - it echoes Everton's argum...
by Chester Perry
Mon Apr 08, 2024 4:50 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Everton - 2 more points deducted.
Replies: 72
Views: 4459

Re: Everton - 2 more points deducted.

You do get the impression that by giving a soft penalty to Everton it means that Man City won't get punished unduly and they'll be able to easily absorb a few points without too many issues. it depends on how you see things - Everton believed they would get a zero points penalty for this hearing an...
by Chester Perry
Mon Apr 08, 2024 3:54 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Everton - 2 more points deducted.
Replies: 72
Views: 4459

Re: Everton - 2 more points deducted.

Are Forest done and dusted with their own cheating ? or is there more to come ? They have the appeal and it will be interesting to see how their finances are this season It is also possible that Everton may have a third set of charges next season if the takeover does not go through - though there a...
by Chester Perry
Mon Apr 08, 2024 3:30 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Is Man Utd under Ratcliffe / Brailsford in danger of being the new Woodward at Saints?
Replies: 6
Views: 468

Re: Is Man Utd under Ratcliffe / Brailsford in danger of being the new Woodward at Saints?

ŽižkovClaret wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2024 3:03 pm
I think if they let Ashworth lead, it could work out ok, but i'm unsure if they wont give in to their urge to interfere
that could be an issue, but they have recruited at higher levels than Ashworth too, so far it appears a sound plan, we will have to wait to see how it is executed
by Chester Perry
Mon Apr 08, 2024 3:27 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: 'The Project'...
Replies: 58
Views: 2510

Re: 'The Project'...

No idea, hate the fact ALK seemingly have no money of their own, everything is just borrowed using the club as leverage. Absolutely no idea how we sustain ourselves in the Championship for 2+ years. I believe they have money, not billionaire money but a good deal of it. I also believe they have alr...
by Chester Perry
Mon Apr 08, 2024 3:19 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Everton - 2 more points deducted.
Replies: 72
Views: 4459

Re: Everton - 2 more points deducted.

If I were the Premier League I would be using the press conference given last week by Sean Dyche as a example of the hubris with which Everton were treating the Premier League's wanings about their overspending from The Guardian ‘Not on my watch’: Sean Dyche hits out at costly Everton mismanagement ...
by Chester Perry
Mon Apr 08, 2024 3:13 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Everton - 2 more points deducted.
Replies: 72
Views: 4459

Re: Everton - 2 more points deducted.

Fingers in the air, how many points can we deduct from Everton to make sure they stay up? Absolute joke that there is no clear and obvious amount of points to be deducted for breaching PSR rules. The lunatics are running the asylum. and yet it was straight forward for me to predict the commissions ...
by Chester Perry
Mon Apr 08, 2024 2:58 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Is Man Utd under Ratcliffe / Brailsford in danger of being the new Woodward at Saints?
Replies: 6
Views: 468

Re: Is Man Utd under Ratcliffe / Brailsford in danger of being the new Woodward at Saints?

far to early to tell - but the management team recruitment appears to be targeting the type and quality of people they need
by Chester Perry
Mon Apr 08, 2024 2:55 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Everton - 2 more points deducted.
Replies: 72
Views: 4459

Re: Everton - 2 more points deducted.

This was my take on how the hearing for Everton's second PSR charge would go from March 21 2024 on the MMT - at that point Everton had not published their accounts Ok, lets talk Everton Next week is the believed to be the date set for the Independent Commission to hear the second set of PSR charges ...
by Chester Perry
Mon Apr 08, 2024 2:36 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: 'The Project'...
Replies: 58
Views: 2510

Re: 'The Project'...

Thought we bought him for around £11m to £12m and sold him for just under £21m. That’s the kind of numbers widely reported at the time. Paid £12m, reported £20.5m sale, we may have made conditional transfer payments based on appearances and a first International cap - then there are the sell on fee...
by Chester Perry
Mon Apr 08, 2024 1:14 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
Replies: 803
Views: 68691

Re: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast

everything fine for me today Simon
by Chester Perry
Mon Apr 08, 2024 1:12 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: 'The Project'...
Replies: 58
Views: 2510

Re: 'The Project'...

I get your concern CP and share it too. But when you say “for operational and trading purposes” a more simplistic way of saying this is that they were using it to fund transfer spend…..let’s say it as it is. The fundamental issue is that the money we have spent on players has not worked out. If it ...
by Chester Perry
Mon Apr 08, 2024 12:01 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: 'The Project'...
Replies: 58
Views: 2510

Re: 'The Project'...

It’s easy to deride things when they aren’t going well, but whether what we’re doing is a “project” or just an approach, it appeals to me and I’ve been more engaged over the last 2 years than I have been for a long time. I like the idea of bringing in young, technically gifted footballers. Of cours...
by Chester Perry
Mon Apr 08, 2024 11:59 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: 'The Project'...
Replies: 58
Views: 2510

Re: 'The Project'...

For those who have listened to the Offensive we know how the project ends https://stak.london/shows/the-offensive/ More realistically, we are one of the best placed teams to become a yo-yo club. Only until FIFA/UEFA/The Sneeky, Greedy Six/ECA get their wish to reduce the league to 18 (ideally 16 - ...
by Chester Perry
Mon Apr 08, 2024 11:44 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: 'The Project'...
Replies: 58
Views: 2510

Re: 'The Project'...

Hi CP, don't you think "chase for money" is what all clubs who plan to back their manager with funds for transfers do? Do you have sight of the facility agreement from last summer? Are the terms really more onerous that previous MSD loan? £20m at 31st July only suggests some of the facility hadn't ...
by Chester Perry
Mon Apr 08, 2024 11:30 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: 'The Project'...
Replies: 58
Views: 2510

Re: 'The Project'...

Hi CP, my thoughts: 1) a bit much to pick out 2 January windows and one summer windows, especially when the club sold a number of players in the summer window before those 3 you mention, especially when the club has brought in players in each of Vincent Kompany's 4 windows. 2) how much money do you...
by Chester Perry
Mon Apr 08, 2024 11:20 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: 'The Project'...
Replies: 58
Views: 2510

Re: 'The Project'...

Has anyone confirmed why the £88m/£80m was invested in the parent companies in September? Until I understand who invested that, why, and what it will/has been used for, I feel we only have half of the jigsaw pieces and shouldn’t be drawing hard conclusions as to club finances. The only hard conclus...
by Chester Perry
Mon Apr 08, 2024 11:05 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: 'The Project'...
Replies: 58
Views: 2510

Re: 'The Project'...

Fair enough, what’s interesting is that link has the term in the title but I listened to the first couple of minutes and Kompany doesn’t mention it. My point really is, I don’t think it’s been an over used term by anyone at the club. I don’t hear it rolled out in interview after interview. It’s jus...
by Chester Perry
Mon Apr 08, 2024 10:57 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: 'The Project'...
Replies: 58
Views: 2510

Re: 'The Project'...

With this is mind... I take it there will be a lot of players being sold mid season in the very likely event we are relegated ? One of the features of the club's notion of buying to sell (under ALK/VSL) is that there have been very few actual sales of note the most profitable being Collins and Corn...
by Chester Perry
Mon Apr 08, 2024 10:22 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: 'The Project'...
Replies: 58
Views: 2510

Re: 'The Project'...

Appointing cash flow guru another clod of money to pay which Club hasn’t got A real mess now imho tbf the club have managed to meet all the demands placed upon them, which is some going when you look at the detail of outflow. That said last summers chase for money: factoring a portion of 3 years Pr...
by Chester Perry
Mon Apr 08, 2024 10:12 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: 'The Project'...
Replies: 58
Views: 2510

Re: 'The Project'...

Out of interest, who ever used the ‘project’ language on the club side? I can’t recall anyone doing so, but haven’t really been looking out for it. some selective memory going on I think first entry on a google search, even the clubs official media channel calls it a project - https://www.youtube.c...
by Chester Perry
Mon Apr 08, 2024 9:48 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: 'The Project'...
Replies: 58
Views: 2510

Re: 'The Project'...

I wouldn't be surprised. I think the owners will "bet the ranch", but with borrowed money, not invested money (or even loan repaid money). Indeed 'the Project' which everyone at the club has stopped talking about (for now - it will be interesting to see the language used next season) has morphed in...
by Chester Perry
Sun Apr 07, 2024 11:10 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
Replies: 12771
Views: 1253793

Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

If you click through to this page - there are a series of documents hidden at the bottom right hand side https://www.assetmatch.com/app/OurCompanies/CompanyProfile?companyId=2560 one of which is the Admission Statement - a document legally required in such sales events by the Financial Conduct Auth...
by Chester Perry
Sun Apr 07, 2024 1:29 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 9988
Views: 1017698

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

I have to say that this comes as no surprise, their are various stories of MSP and their Evertonian fan partners Andy Bell and George Downing may buy Bramley Moore Dock, though buy probably means take ownership and fund the completion. It would certainly get 777 Partners out of the £158m payment to ...
by Chester Perry
Sun Apr 07, 2024 1:16 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: If VK is made director of football who is our manager?
Replies: 43
Views: 2146

Re: If VK is made director of football who is our manager?

gawthorpe_view wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2024 1:09 pm
Someone posted yesterday that his role seems combine the roles of Manager and DoF.
That's All Folks!
Which is not all that different to the previous manager
by Chester Perry
Sat Apr 06, 2024 7:58 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: I’m so sick of Kompany
Replies: 349
Views: 16053

Re: I’m so sick of Kompany

thing is, the 'clubs like ours' is a bit of an unknown. We've no clue at all how much money the 'consortium' for want of a better term have (granted that's a VERY optimistic stance before you start because I know you will :D ) The whole season has been down to the inexperience of the side. It is tr...
by Chester Perry
Sat Apr 06, 2024 3:59 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
Replies: 803
Views: 68691

Re: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast

If that link isn't working for you then it's probably some issue with your system, I'd guess your media player maybe played a cached version. This is definitely the right file and isn't saved with any other episode https://1drv.ms/u/s!Atnj-YxkG3VkkZtid-uleYWeNrwImg Thank you - yes this is working f...
by Chester Perry
Sat Apr 06, 2024 2:01 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
Replies: 803
Views: 68691

Re: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast

yep, that is my usual practice - just the 25 seconds for me
by Chester Perry
Sat Apr 06, 2024 1:12 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
Replies: 803
Views: 68691

Re: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast

Goody1975 wrote:
Sat Apr 06, 2024 12:54 pm
https://pod.link/1688380656

Try this
that is my usual go to for this pod - still only get the 25 seconds I am sorry to say
by Chester Perry
Sat Apr 06, 2024 12:31 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
Replies: 803
Views: 68691

Re: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast

I have tried Apple, Amazon, Spotify and several others with no joy
by Chester Perry
Sat Apr 06, 2024 11:05 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
Replies: 803
Views: 68691

Re: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast

got a window with the 25 second title music burst - also tried the download option and got the same
by Chester Perry
Sat Apr 06, 2024 11:03 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 9988
Views: 1017698

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Rory Smith asks what to some minds a particularly uncomfortable question, one that is in many ways, actually a statement of fact. from The New York Times Is Soccer’s Model Club Actually … Real Madrid? The club is strutting into a future different from the one envisioned by its president, Florentino ...
by Chester Perry
Sat Apr 06, 2024 10:54 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 9988
Views: 1017698

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Meanwhile this article shows that 777 Partners are still in discussion with the Premier League - no doubt abut the schedule they have been given if approval is to be granted - the article primarily focuses on the long list of on and off field challenges that Everton faces in the month, perhaps one o...
by Chester Perry
Sat Apr 06, 2024 10:17 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
Replies: 803
Views: 68691

Re: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast

aggi wrote:
Sat Apr 06, 2024 9:54 am
This should be a link to the full version
https://sphinx.acast.com/p/open/s/6464c ... /media.mp3
thanks, but still getting the 25 seconds only even after ctrl f5
by Chester Perry
Sat Apr 06, 2024 10:06 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 9988
Views: 1017698

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

It has not been discussed much, but with the board of Everton abdicating last summer - with fat pay outs and not making themselves available for the independent commission hearings - along with the named owner doing the same in terms of his financial responsibility for the mess he largely created (...
by Chester Perry
Sat Apr 06, 2024 9:31 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
Replies: 803
Views: 68691

Re: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast

Looks like it might be cached - CTRL and F5 (or the refresh arrow on phone) might clear it. The link for me now definitely has the 33:05 podcast link. done that several times - rebooted several times, best I have got is showing time of 33 minutes then when I play it does the intro music before seam...
by Chester Perry
Fri Apr 05, 2024 11:39 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 9988
Views: 1017698

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Last weekend saw the last of the accounts due for Premier Leagues clubs posted to Companies House, though it seems a couple have taken to posting them by recorded mail to slow down the publishing process Yesterday the BBC published this work by Kieran Maguire looking at the huge losses recorded acro...
by Chester Perry
Fri Apr 05, 2024 11:04 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 9988
Views: 1017698

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

It has not been discussed much, but with the board of Everton abdicating last summer - with fat pay outs and not making themselves available for the independent commission hearings - along with the named owner doing the same in terms of his financial responsibility for the mess he largely created (p...
by Chester Perry
Fri Apr 05, 2024 8:43 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 9988
Views: 1017698

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Interesting piece on Leicester and why they are stalling the process on their charges around breaching financial rules - features significant input from the new guy on the football finance block - Stefan Borson, who I think offers much sounder assessments than Kieran Maguire - maybe because he actu...
by Chester Perry
Fri Apr 05, 2024 7:17 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 9988
Views: 1017698

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Of course the above mentioned changes came about in the build up to the launch of Super League - a kind of Plan B from Andrea Agnelli and the ECA A new book leads The Telegraph to look back at the first attempt to create a European Super League in 1998, a failed attempt better known as Project Ganda...
by Chester Perry
Fri Apr 05, 2024 6:49 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
Replies: 12771
Views: 1253793

Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

ALK/VSL filing at Companies house carries on with it's bizarre somewhat erratic course Velocity Capital (UK) Holdings Ltd the entity that only last month became the major shareholder in Burnley Football Club has had its company address posted as being at Companies House in Cardiff after it appears ...