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by Chester Perry
Fri Apr 10, 2020 11:22 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 9995
Views: 1021678

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

loving this post from The Athletic journalist @MJShrimper about Burnley's accounts

https://twitter.com/mjshrimper/status/1 ... 5866456064

wish I could read that article mind - anyone care to transcribe
by Chester Perry
Fri Apr 10, 2020 2:46 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 9995
Views: 1021678

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

I think he's arguing points that haven't been made. It's stating the bleeding obvious that if a player doesn't want his contract extending beyond 30th June, you can't make him play. And the suggestion that this will call into question the integrity of the competition because some clubs will be wors...
by Chester Perry
Fri Apr 10, 2020 2:37 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 9995
Views: 1021678

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

By now most of you will know that Wimbledon (the Tennis tournament) has insured itself against a Pandemic for 17 years. @Uglygame asks why the game wasn't so prepared (I have only heard of Aberdeen having the requisite insurance and that hasn't registered in the media, especially the fact that come ...
by Chester Perry
Fri Apr 10, 2020 2:29 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 9995
Views: 1021678

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

An article from the Law Society Gazette on the legal realities of an extension to the football season - co-written by John Mehrzad QC who has featured quite a bit recently on this thread https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/legal-updates/legal-realities-of-an-extension-to-the-football-season/5103804.article...
by Chester Perry
Fri Apr 10, 2020 2:01 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: The Lady Vanishes
Replies: 47
Views: 3791

Re: The Lady Vanishes

Margaret Lockwood is back on TV again at 2:30 this afternoon in the film "Jassy" on the Talking Pictures channel - Freeview channel 81
by Chester Perry
Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:54 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 9995
Views: 1021678

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

A really good article from The ESK (Everton fans site) looking at the future financial health of the Premier league - the title may give the game away - "Staring into the abyss?" https://theesk.org/2020/04/09/staring-into-the-abyss/ essentially business as normal for us - set a budget and stick to i...
by Chester Perry
Fri Apr 10, 2020 10:06 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 9995
Views: 1021678

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

The Athletic do an EFL analysis similar to that one on the Premier League the other day

https://theathletic.com/1731864/2020/04 ... ed-article
by Chester Perry
Fri Apr 10, 2020 10:03 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 9995
Views: 1021678

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

@AndyhHolt with perhaps his most scathing attack ever on the EFL - follows on from yesterday

https://twitter.com/AndyhHolt/status/12 ... 8130825217

we as far away from a whole game solution as ever
by Chester Perry
Fri Apr 10, 2020 9:32 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Let's Follow The Belarus Football League!
Replies: 38
Views: 3992

Re: Let's Follow The Belarus Football League!

Lets not - putting people at undue risk for purely economic gain - even the ultra groups have protested that they are still playing
by Chester Perry
Fri Apr 10, 2020 12:00 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Entire championship going into administration
Replies: 25
Views: 3041

Re: Entire championship going into administration

The scenario there is an agreement between the 24 Championship chairmen. It would not be agreed by the Premier League chairmen or by the players. So Leeds, for example, would tell their players that their contracts have been torn up and they would like them to sign a new contract on reduced terms. ...
by Chester Perry
Thu Apr 09, 2020 11:32 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Entire championship going into administration
Replies: 25
Views: 3041

Re: Entire championship going into administration

Won't happen because it would mean they would lose all their better players for no transfer fee. not if the scenario outlined in the article is followed It may not happen because it is being championed by those most likely to break FFP and the clubs that are more prudent don't see why they should h...
by Chester Perry
Thu Apr 09, 2020 10:20 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 9995
Views: 1021678

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Man City could be the next Premier League club to announce wage deferrals for football staff

https://twitter.com/Lawton_Times/status ... 2486178820
by Chester Perry
Thu Apr 09, 2020 9:11 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Players Together
Replies: 54
Views: 4365

Re: Ben Mee article in the Guardian

It's a great piece - on the "Players together" thread also
by Chester Perry
Thu Apr 09, 2020 9:08 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 9995
Views: 1021678

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Rumours that Premier League clubs will furlough non football staff once they have all negotiated pay deferrals with players

https://twitter.com/MirrorFootball/stat ... 8158590976
by Chester Perry
Thu Apr 09, 2020 9:01 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 9995
Views: 1021678

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Now saying circa £20m for top teams down to bare millions for bottom end. Strange that the clubs with the wealthier benefactors get the lions share. Tv appearances will be the key I suspect - they always top that pile - no surprise they are the biggest winners here - It is the way the system was de...
by Chester Perry
Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:31 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Who Never Played in the Prem for Us But Could Have Done?
Replies: 52
Views: 4042

Re: Who Never Played in the Prem for Us But Could Have Done?

CFS wrote:
Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:35 pm
Ben Gibson
I understand anyone wanting to block that Boxing Day 1st half against Everton from the memory
by Chester Perry
Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:09 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 9995
Views: 1021678

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Rui Pinto of Football Leaks fame has been moved from Prison to home where he will remain under house arrest

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... d-internet
by Chester Perry
Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:57 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 9995
Views: 1021678

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Those Trinidad and Tobago FA officials ousted by FIFA in the Infantino revenge mission - have gone to CAS to appeal the decision

https://apnews.com/3d1502fe324cccf4394c8c47b0b08ae7
by Chester Perry
Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:38 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 9995
Views: 1021678

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

I hadn't realised that the EFL are not going to advance the Premier Leagues advance of £125m to their members until a few issues are to be sorted out -

https://twitter.com/danroan/status/1248230684918976519

no doubt this will upset a few - but may help focus a few minds on sorting their rules out
by Chester Perry
Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:21 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 9995
Views: 1021678

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Not sure that giving advance payments of TV monies that might have to be refunded is a good idea from the Premier League - are they just hoping that if it is spent that it cannot be clawed bac https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52228551 this decision was reportedly taken last Friday and is only ju...
by Chester Perry
Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:41 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 9995
Views: 1021678

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

With sponsorship playing such a key part to revenue growth in our game what are the impacts in times like these and how can relationships be maintained (even developed) this article from Sports Pro Media looks at the issue - Stoppage time for sponsors: Managing partnerships during a pandemic https:/...
by Chester Perry
Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:58 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 9995
Views: 1021678

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Sport and Football in particular has been a major benefactor of some large sponsorship deals from the major airlines - when you read this you have to ask just how long can that continue? - the fallout could be huge for some (just look at those who are sponsored by Ethihad and Emerates for example)- ...
by Chester Perry
Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:49 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 9995
Views: 1021678

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

CIES Webinar looking at Football Clubs and their current challenges - with a panel from around the globe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfAXaj8AWRw
by Chester Perry
Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:32 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Premier League to announce season over?
Replies: 36
Views: 3831

Re: Premier League to announce season over?

Spijed - It is not about that - and they would have been ok I believe - @uglygame makes the point I have made a couple of times elsewhere on the board (first time about 3 weeks ago) - forget this season, the next one is more important if you want more clubs to survive - https://twitter.com/uglygame/...
by Chester Perry
Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:10 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Saints defer wages
Replies: 36
Views: 2556

Re: Saints defer wages

I was thinking the same thing Chester. Was expecting his in-depth summary of the accounts last week. Hopefully he is ok and well. You’ll have to fill the void in the meantime ! I certainly don't have your knowledge set, or that of Aggi and one or two others - between us we are doing ok but I would ...
by Chester Perry
Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:06 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Premier League to announce season over?
Replies: 36
Views: 3831

Re: Premier League to announce season over?

FactualFrank wrote:
Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:04 pm
Other than no crowd so no atmosphere, that would be brilliant.

They would need to put some sort of fake crowd noise on.
thought they did already from time to time - some clubs definitely do
by Chester Perry
Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:03 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Saints defer wages
Replies: 36
Views: 2556

Re: Saints defer wages

I have to say this is where I am missing input from Royboyclaret - he has a wealth of knowledge and input to give - getting very worried I haven't seen a post from him in some time - he was noticeably absent when our results were published last week. Anyone know how he is?
by Chester Perry
Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:51 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Premier League to announce season over?
Replies: 36
Views: 3831

Re: Premier League to announce season over?

I wonder if Sky et al could promise to show each EFL team live at least once for the remainder of the season. Even those in League 2. I don’t know what they would pay the clubs per game but it would at least offset some of the predicted losses. it is pennies at that level - less than £10k I think -...
by Chester Perry
Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:49 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Saints defer wages
Replies: 36
Views: 2556

Re: Saints defer wages

The issue with cuts that are not agreed with players, is that a player can walk away from his contract if not paid to contractual levels for two consecutive months. - It is why some Premier League clubs are cutting wages/furloughing of non football staff and mounted such a public campaign for player...
by Chester Perry
Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:42 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Premier League to announce season over?
Replies: 36
Views: 3831

Re: Premier League to announce season over?

EFL making plans for closed door games to complete the season. The English Football League season can be completed in 56 days when it is safe to resume amid the coronavirus pandemic, clubs have been told. But it is assumed that matches will be played behind closed doors. A letter sent to all 71 EFL...
by Chester Perry
Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:21 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Saints defer wages
Replies: 36
Views: 2556

Re: Saints defer wages

It's been a while since it happened with a high profile case, but is there an example of a club going into administration and not paying players from recent times? Not sure if Bolton have paid all outstanding monies to players yet definitely paid some just not sure they have paid all - Bury haven't
by Chester Perry
Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:17 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 9995
Views: 1021678

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

There is going to be plenty of this kind of thing going on across the game at the moment - Trevor Hemmings dips his hand into his pockets again and bought another £1.7m worth of shares from himself to boost the cash flow at Preston North End - that's about 1 month's wages, so this could get repetiti...
by Chester Perry
Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:47 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Saints defer wages
Replies: 36
Views: 2556

Re: Saints defer wages

I tried posting a link but failed miserably BurnleyAce. It’s worth a read in the Guardian, Stijn Francis starts lecturing about the importance of treating contracts as sacred. Even though I agree with hiS main points, I found that hard to read from agent. here you go https://www.theguardian.com/foo...
by Chester Perry
Thu Apr 09, 2020 10:06 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Saints defer wages
Replies: 36
Views: 2556

Re: Saints defer wages

It was inevitable that it would go down to individual club level - sensible move for a club that is increasingly challenged financially and reportedly up for sale - got to have something worth selling
by Chester Perry
Thu Apr 09, 2020 10:00 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 9995
Views: 1021678

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

@KieranMaguire with a list of the net outstanding transfer payments for Premier League clubs - the figures for Palace and Newcastle are way out of date as they haven't published last season's accounts yet (expected late June) https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/status/1248171309600776194 - as I have s...
by Chester Perry
Thu Apr 09, 2020 9:39 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 9995
Views: 1021678

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

@AndyhHolt is the first person in football that I am aware of to talk about what comes next after lockdown https://twitter.com/AndyhHolt/status/1248112461259177984 - I have posted about this a few times in the last few weeks, I suspect people won't talk about it because they don't want to think abou...
by Chester Perry
Thu Apr 09, 2020 9:26 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 9995
Views: 1021678

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

While we continue to wait for @SwissRamble to provide the definitive analysis of our 2018/19 financial results he has done the same for Middlesbrough, a club we became fraught rivals with a in recent years - it is frightening how quickly fortunes can change in this games https://twitter.com/SwissRam...
by Chester Perry
Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:18 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 9995
Views: 1021678

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

It appears that the Mail have rehashed that Athletic article on the state of finances in the Premier League in part at least https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8195795/Why-Premier-League-finances-dire-state-teams-risk-going-BUST.html you look at all the issues highlighted and think a...
by Chester Perry
Wed Apr 08, 2020 10:32 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Chris Wood - Offside
Replies: 26
Views: 2806

Re: Chris Wood - Offside

you have to say that he is keeping some top rated company there
by Chester Perry
Wed Apr 08, 2020 5:09 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Dirty Leeds - Time to forgive?
Replies: 59
Views: 5643

Re: Dirty Leeds - Time to forgive?

Leeds have bet the ranch on this season, if they don't go up it will take a few years for them to re-gather themselves for another push. If they do go up I expect an announcement of a new investor very quickly

as to the original OP - that would be No, Nay, Never
by Chester Perry
Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:31 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 9995
Views: 1021678

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

@SportingIntel has responded to questions about he came to those figures in that Mail article the other day https://twitter.com/sportingintel/status/1247626456261427202/photo/1 I still think it was (unusually) a poor piece of work Harris talks about the article itself here from around 23:30 in https...
by Chester Perry
Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:14 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Sports documentaries/Series
Replies: 25
Views: 2660

Re: Sports documentaries/Series

Not a series but one of the great matches of all time Italy v Brazil World Cup 1982 - full match

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBC02hKBTlQ

FIFA have made loads of games available online for those who are interested
by Chester Perry
Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:09 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 9995
Views: 1021678

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

@Marcotti asks: Can FIFA save soccer during coronavirus crisis with an economic bailout?

https://www.espn.com/soccer/blog-fifa/s ... ic-bailout

I would say only if it can use that Softbank money that is no longer being offered
by Chester Perry
Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:33 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 9995
Views: 1021678

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

John Nicholson follows is 2 recent column's with a manifesto for football after hyper-capitalism

https://www.football365.com/news/john-n ... ier-league
by Chester Perry
Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:27 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 9995
Views: 1021678

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Some of you may have read this https://theathletic.com/1729003/2020/04/08/premier-league-finances-accounts/?source=shared-article - this morning - for those without a subscription here is a special Ornstein and Chapman Podcast on the article https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5zaW1w...
by Chester Perry
Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:55 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 9995
Views: 1021678

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

This Independent article suggests that the pandemic may see the end of the EFL Championship as we know it - certainly if they go for the nuclear option posted above https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/football-league/coronavirus-news-latest-efl-championship-leeds-west-brom-aston-villa-readi...
by Chester Perry
Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:14 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 9995
Views: 1021678

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

It is now being reported that Leeds have furloughed some non playing staff https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/adam-pope-reveals-significant-off-field-leeds-united-development/ hardly a surprise given their financial results and the fact that the playing staff deferrals are effectively loans that will...
by Chester Perry
Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:49 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 9995
Views: 1021678

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

meanwhile more financial woe for the FA as international rights holders enter discussions about withholding outstanding payments for this season's FA cup

https://www.soccerex.com/insight/articl ... s-payments