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Mala591

Next step is for the EU to formally list their objections/concerns in Johnson's draft proposals. Then several days of intense negotiations to try and reach a compromise acceptable to both sides. The indication that the UK parliament will support the Johnson proposals cannot be underestimated and thi...

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He won't gain that many. If he was serious about Labour MPs support, he'd have come back from the supreme court defeat in a conciliatory mood. Assuming the EU agree to his deal, there is a chance of Labour support, but they are essentially backing a Tory Brexit and pretty much guaranteeing a Tory e...

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But that would mean 10 DUP votes against straight away. That would kill it. I agree that it makes sense, but its has to get through Parliament and be acceptable to the EU. The time scale alone makes that nearly impossible, and the pillock has painted himself into a corner by insisting that we leave...

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Johnson's 'draft plan' will have a certain amount of negotiation flexibility built into it and I suspect that a customs and single market border down the Irish Sea is still a possibility until a 'technological solution' is available which has passed real life trading scenarios.

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I'm a little confused. Isn't this wonder, all-new, all-fantastic new super plan basically the same thing that got voted down three times in this Parliament already? How is it different to the backstop, which was supposed to be a red line? I genuinely don't see the difference. This new plan allows G...

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The FIRST thing that the EU should ask themselves is - can Boris get these new proposals through the UK parliament? I agree with other posters that he probably can. So the ball is now in the EU's court to negotiate the parts of the proposals which they can't accept BUT at all times bear in mind that...

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I predict that a deal will emerge from the latest UK proposals

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Interesting proposals:

EU/UK single market border down the Irish Sea - NI to remain in the EU single market.

Customs border across Ireland - majority of customs checks at origin and destination of goods but other checks needed which won't be done at or near the border.

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Fact check:

Latest figures for NET annual payment to the EU is £11 billion. Not quite £1 billion a month but not far off.

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A billion pounds a month would be much better spent on the NHS and social care. By staying in the EU we are depriving these essential and underfunded services from much needed investment.

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Lowbankclaret wrote:
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My show chickens.

I wonder which chicken will be the first to squawk

Chicken Boris, Chicken Jeremy or Chicken Nigel ?

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Apparently 95% of North / South trade in Ireland is already covered by the 'trusted traders' scheme which is an electronic system for dealing with vat, differing exchange rates etc. The governments plan seems to be to include customs information within this electronic system. Obviously there will ne...

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Under WTO terms, there has to be customs checks. Because of the GFA, the Irish govt and the EU are planning to do these away from the border (dundalk is mentioned I think on the motorway between belfast-dublin) That is a solution forced on the ROI and the EU by us. Not by them, they are trying to m...

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Lancasterclaret wrote:Thats not true.

its what Brexit backers want you to believe though!

Please explain in factual detail why my theory in incorrect. Thank you.

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The ROI seem to be in complete denial that there MUST be an Irish customs border between the EU and the UK. The solution is to MINIMISE checks near the Irish border by checking at the origin and destination of the goods. Random checks will obviously still need to be made and these will practically n...

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martin_p wrote:So the plan to stop a hard border in Ireland is to have two hard borders?

Most of the checks will be on the ROI side of the buffer zone but the UK will need to do some random checks. So yes, two trade borders in one buffer zone.

What other realistic solution is there?

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There has to be a border control between the NI and the Republic in that event for the protection of the EU SM and CU, and the Irish setting it back from the border is about the best they can do under the circumstances. And this ^^^^ is the only short/medium term solution to the problem so why not ...

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Interestingly enough, the UK plans are the same as the Irish one on the infrastructure but the Irish ones are in the event of a "No Deal" Planning for a "No Deal"? So, if the EU have accepted the ROI plans for near-border checks in the case of no-deal Brexit then they must have to accept the 'ident...

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I think it's about time that Boris gave the EU one last chance to amend the withdrawal agreement. Backstop to have a THREE year expiry date. This allows FIVE years (including the 2 years implementation period) for a permanent NI/ROI border solution to be developed. So the EU have two options - expir...

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I agree with tiger and DA that there are numerous challenges and complications with a NI only backstop and I do understand why the DUP are worried about the potential isolation from the rest of the UK BUT imo these challenges/difficulties pale into insignificance compared with re-introducing a land ...

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A good summary of current backstop options. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-politics-44615404" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; I am still convinced that a Northern Ireland only backstop (EU/UK trade border down the Irish sea) is the only solution that will work. Anyone i...

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Edwin Starr - 25 miles

Always popular on Burnley dance floors in the late 60's / early 70's

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And their answer now to healing the UK ( see new policy) is unlimited encouraged immigration whether there are jobs, houses, health services and schools or not. Talk about ignoring your heartlands. If high levels of net immigration is high on your personal list of 'concerns for the future of the co...

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It might be useful if MPs were allowed a free vote on whether they would support an EU/UK trade border down the middle of the Irish sea. The EU have indicated that they would find this an acceptable option. If this idea had majority MP support then the WA could be amended and ratified. We would then...

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XTC know what Boris is planning

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gXNhL4J_S00" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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The shite hasn't really got near the fan yet!

Just wait until Boris comes back with his new (backstop free) withdrawal agreement and then it still gets rejected by parliament.

Whoosh

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It only needs one of the EU 27 to agree to 'bring phase 1 of the Brexit chaos to an end' for us to leave on Oct 31st. Maybe Boris has some sort of secret agreement in place? He does seem extremely confident that we will leave.

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I think that most of the 'frustration' inside and outside parliament has been caused by Labour MPs IN LEAVE MAJORITY VOTING CONSTITUENCIES towing the party line and refusing to support the EU/UK withdrawal agreement. They are continuing to do this and I predict they will reject ANY new WA that Johns...

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Prediction: We won't leave on Oct 31st General election will be at the end of November Voters will have the choice of: Remain - vote Lib Dem Leave without a deal - vote Brexit Party Leave with a deal - vote Conservative Without an agreed Conservative/BP pact the leave vote will be split. Can anyone ...

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Longside songs from the late 60's / early 70's Six foot two, eyes of blue... Tiptoe through the longside... We don't carry bottles... He's here, he's there... (We're not allowed to swear) Bertie Mee said to Bill Shankly... If I had the wings of an angel... Celtic, Rangers, Celtic, Rangers... (I neve...

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There is no clear way forward. That's what may and the EU wanted to enable them to keep us as close as possible to remaining. Options are: 1. No-deal 'clean' Brexit with a hard customs/single market border across Ireland 2. May's WA with the backstop 'insurance policy' across Ireland 3. May's WA bu...

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Crikey, Mays I think. NI only is even sillier The EU offered a Irish Sea trade border but (under pressure from the DUP) May rejected it. The DUP are understandably concerned that a trade border down the Irish Sea will increase trade friction between NI and GB - BUT - this solution would completely ...

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With a deal? Deal I think (assuming its mays deal, which is ****, but the only one out there) If its "No Deal", remain all the way. Even with a deal option I'm starting to think about remain as an option now, because its the best economic case But at the moment, its deal. Would you prefer May's WA ...

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The democratic will of the people is sovereign.

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May's deal took us out of the single market, customs union, CAP, ECJ, Fishing Policy, ended free movement, and gave us two years to sort out a trade deal. The NI backstop was our idea, in order to maintain the integrity of the peace agreement, but then we're all told the technology to sort the bord...

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Worryingly there is a stream of thought that means a loophole in the no deal bill means that Johnson can get no deal by getting a deal through parliament! The thinking goes that the Benn bill only requires parliament to agree a withdrawal agreement for a Johnson not to have to ask for an extension....

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The only thing for sure is - if you want

to remain
an open door/free for all immigration policy
to legalise cannabis

then vote Lib Dem

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Message to Boris

Accept the EU offer of a Northern Ireland only backstop.
Bribe the DUP to accept it.
First stage of leaving the EU solved.

Message over

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£5 billion over 5 years should be enough to 'encourage' the DUP to accept a NI only customs union (after all NI voted to stay in the EU). Money well spent in my humble opinion.

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Sobering statistic:

On the third vote

90% of Conservative MPs voted for the EU/UK withdrawal agreement
2% of Labour MPs voted for the agreement

Remember this statistic when you vote at the next General Election

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The UK and Irish governments are (at last) taking the risk of a no-deal exit extremely seriously and both are drawing up detailed plans for what happens at (or near to) the Irish border after a no-deal exit. Surely this process will deliver the basis of a solution to the dreaded backstop which can t...

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Varadkar outlines the Irish border arrangements if no-deal exit happens on 31st October.

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I think you miss the important part that the EU will not offer a compromise whilst we insist on our red lines. If a Labour or unity govt got in and looked at negotiating a deal based more around the CU then im sure the EU would be open for new talks and a potential compromise. You are making the sa...

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You are probably right in your analysis and the EU will never offer a compromise that will get through parliament. It follows then that the only way left to leave the EU is via a no-deal exit which can only be delivered by a Conservative and Brexit Party pact to not oppose each other in individual ...

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That’s not going to happen. All it does is (as you have identified) kick the can down the road. The EU want a defined solution to the Irish border before a trade deal. You are probably right in your analysis and the EU will never offer a compromise that will get through parliament. It follows then ...

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The EU must (eventually) offer a compromise solution which has a possibility of being passed by parliament. They should offer to kick the backstop problem down the road and give it a three year expiry date. This compromise might just get through parliament and will allow nearly FIVE years (including...

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No but that had been the line taken by reporters. Now far from devastating, some at Antie Are now saying all this last couple of days were always part of the timeline... only the back lash severity has caused the least consternation. I repeat, when I mooted the possible plan several months ago I wa...

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Conservatives likely to stand down in Burnley so the choice will be Brexit Party or Labour or Liberal Democrats

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Will Burnley soon have a Brexit Party MP?

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I would advise Boris to bypass parliament (which refuses to make a decision) and have a second 'clarification' referendum to confirm how we leave the EU: 1. No deal exit 2. The current UK/EU withdrawal agreement Let the (now very well informed) people make the decision as they are the ones who will ...

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