No way you typed that from memoryClaretTony wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:54 pmIt’s not a consortium but the family who own King Power. I think it’s now virtually owned by Aiyawatt Srivaddhanaprabha.
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There is a website https://thesuperleague.com/index.html which looks pretty bare atm
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Thank God he's an owner not a player, you'd never get those letters on the back of a shirt !ClaretTony wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:54 pmIt’s not a consortium but the family who own King Power. I think it’s now virtually owned by Aiyawatt Srivaddhanaprabha.
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Kuntz... all of Em.Clarets4me wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:23 pmThank God he's an owner not a player, you'd never get those letters on the back of a shirt !
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Pity there is no "CONTACT" buttonicu81b4 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:23 pmThere is a website https://thesuperleague.com/index.html which looks pretty bare atm
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and a twitter account both posted on the thread last nighticu81b4 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:23 pmThere is a website https://thesuperleague.com/index.html which looks pretty bare atm
interesting thing about the website is that it has a dutch option - which has lead to speculation that Ajax may be invided, but no Potuguese option, Porto already claim to have turned them down
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I knew that CT it was just so much easier to type consortiumClaretTony wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:54 pmIt’s not a consortium but the family who own King Power. I think it’s now virtually owned by Aiyawatt Srivaddhanaprabha.
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I think Tony tripped up, fell on his keyboard and got lucky tbhkentonclaret wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:41 pmI knew that CT it was just so much easier to type consortium
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Huge financial problems, with their multi billionaire backers!?Spijed wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:41 pm@MarcoRossiEN
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Already hearing rumours that Chelsea and Man City are trying to U-turn from this #ESL mess. Neither liked idea, but ‘had to follow’ or risk huge financial problems. They think they can persuade Spurs and believe 3 English clubs will be enough to dissolve plans. #THFC #CFC #MCFC
If they’re prepared to u-turn on the back of today’s reaction, I can’t imagine what they expected the reaction to be.
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Is any one else appalled that, as a proud founder member of this country’s football league, we have been totally silent on this all day today?
I hope there is one set of US Owners in the PL who are going to stand up for our games heritage.
Speak Up Burnley!
I hope there is one set of US Owners in the PL who are going to stand up for our games heritage.
Speak Up Burnley!
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I think that is the point DCWat... they had no idea, they expected Manchester would be rocking at the news. They live in a separate world to the clubs fans.
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We seem to be one of the only clubs that hasn’t posted anything. Really disappointed, thought the new owners would want to show face with the fans.
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The teams knew there would be a huge backlash from local fans but they did it anyway. The entire point of this exercise is they calculate they don't need them anymore.
They've lied for years claiming to be steeped in a century of tradition and at the heart of the community while they manufacture a global corporate enterprise in plain sight.
Now has come the time where they've done the maths and decided they don't really need support of the towns their named after and they don't need to pay teams like Burnley to make up the numbers.
They've lied for years claiming to be steeped in a century of tradition and at the heart of the community while they manufacture a global corporate enterprise in plain sight.
Now has come the time where they've done the maths and decided they don't really need support of the towns their named after and they don't need to pay teams like Burnley to make up the numbers.
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Not much for them to say at the moment, see what comes of the meeting tomorrow.
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The silence is deafening, although not surprising, the same from so-called fans representativesNewcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 9:31 pmWe seem to be one of the only clubs that hasn’t posted anything. Really disappointed, thought the new owners would want to show face with the fans.
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A UEFA executive committee member has said tonight he expects Real Madrid , Chelsea and Man City to be kicked out of this seasons Champions League this Friday
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on what charge - the clubs have done nothing yet - UEFA do not have a legal leg to stand on there - never mind the rebate repercussions from broadcasters
this comment came this afternoon from a Danish UEFA member - Ceferin the UEFA President was more cautious saying that they would have to consult legal advice - he was right but then again he is a lawyer
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The clubs have signed up to a new European super league , you must have missed itChester Perry wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 9:59 pmon what charge - the clubs have done nothing yet - UEFA do not have a legal leg to stand on there - never mind the rebate repercusions from broadcasters
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and you must have missed everything I have posted on it over the last 3 and a half years
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You are spot on thereChester Perry wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:02 pmand you must have missed everything I have posted on it over the last 3 and a half years
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Danish FA chairman Jesper Moller told DR Sport
‘The clubs are going out , and I expect that to happen on Friday and then you have to see how to finish the Champions League ‘
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If PSG join the four of them could finish it off in the summer before next season starts. It could be the inaugural European Super League Cup.
That would be some way to launch the new league and if they played it over in the US it would be $$jackpot time$$
That would be some way to launch the new league and if they played it over in the US it would be $$jackpot time$$
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It would be wonderful if this UEFA executive committee member is proven to be on the ball and receives the support of the other members . UEFA are mad!!
The sooner the punishments start arriving the better.
The sooner the punishments start arriving the better.
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I agree - they haven’t actually done anything yet, which is presumably the legal issue. They could just chuck them out and tie them up in legal action for a few years. Not paying them any more money would have the same effect short-term, even if they end up handing it over in the end. I’d love them to come down hard on these lot, even though I know they won’tChester Perry wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 9:59 pmon what charge - the clubs have done nothing yet - UEFA do not have a legal leg to stand on there - never mind the rebate repercussions from broadcasters
this comment came this afternoon from a Danish UEFA member - Ceferin the UEFA President was more cautious saying that they would have to consult legal advice - he was right but then again he is a lawyer
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Thanks Elizabeth.
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Well some fans are happy. Know a Juve fan in Italy and their lot are happy about it and don't see what all the fuss is about.
The main arguments are:
- they are the main suppliers of all these great TV deals as they are the sell and they should have most of the cash / more percentage.
- they claim they want to stay in Serie A & Champions League / Euro comps. (How that is possible I'll never know with 18 other games minimum to play in their new league.
- The financial issues due to COVID means they have no choice but to do such a thing.
- Seeing as they're the most successful club in Italy they have the right to do it. They aren't breaking any laws, just wanting to form a new league which gives them more money basically. If others want to do it with other partners/clubs then they are free to do it.
- Problem in Italy is criminality & mafia organisations and they are also deep in Italian footy; many links with ticket sales for example. Maybe there's been a bit of pressure on Agnelli who seems to pushing this a lot and seems to have gone back on his word to the UEFA president who called him a liar. It may sound like a film but I'd believe it, do not take Mafia organisations in Italy lightly. It's well & truly alive and kicking.
Make of that what you will.
The main arguments are:
- they are the main suppliers of all these great TV deals as they are the sell and they should have most of the cash / more percentage.
- they claim they want to stay in Serie A & Champions League / Euro comps. (How that is possible I'll never know with 18 other games minimum to play in their new league.
- The financial issues due to COVID means they have no choice but to do such a thing.
- Seeing as they're the most successful club in Italy they have the right to do it. They aren't breaking any laws, just wanting to form a new league which gives them more money basically. If others want to do it with other partners/clubs then they are free to do it.
- Problem in Italy is criminality & mafia organisations and they are also deep in Italian footy; many links with ticket sales for example. Maybe there's been a bit of pressure on Agnelli who seems to pushing this a lot and seems to have gone back on his word to the UEFA president who called him a liar. It may sound like a film but I'd believe it, do not take Mafia organisations in Italy lightly. It's well & truly alive and kicking.
Make of that what you will.
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I'm trying to find it but I heard an interview today who was saying UEFA has rules which say If teams currently playing in UEFA competitions want to start a new competition you must bring it before the committee for approval and discussion.Chester Perry wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 9:59 pmon what charge - the clubs have done nothing yet - UEFA do not have a legal leg to stand on there - never mind the rebate repercussions from broadcasters
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I find the hypocrisy of the 14 other Clubs almost as bad as the 6 that chose to do it. I am 100% against the idea but let’s not kid ourselves if invited everyone of them including ours would have said yes!!
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You and I have had that discussion already on this threadNewClaret wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:22 pmI agree - they haven’t actually done anything yet, which is presumably the legal issue. They could just chuck them out and tie them up in legal action for a few years. Not paying them any more money would have the same effect short-term, even if they end up handing it over in the end. I’d love them to come down hard on these lot, even though I know they won’t
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I saw a poll today which showed the percentage fans against the idea was in the high 70s which suggests around a fifth of fans may be for it. I would guess most of these are young impressionable fans
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If you are looking for honesty and integrity you are looking in the wrong placeJarrowClaret wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:35 pmI find the hypocrisy of the 14 other Clubs almost as bad as the 6 that chose to do it. I am 100% against the idea but let’s not kid ourselves if invited everyone of them including ours would have said yes!!
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Apologies if this has already appeared but I’m not going through 12 pages.
Accurate.
Accurate.
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What annoys me is there’s just no repercussions for these clubs. They really have got all the control if they can do something like this and get away with it.Chester Perry wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:35 pmYou and I have had that discussion already on this thread
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Indisputable.huw.Y.WattfromWare wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:41 pmApologies if this has already appeared but I’m not going through 12 pages.
Accurate.
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I'm sure that if this ESL thing goes ahead then the English clubs will carry on playing in the PL.
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As I posted last night - the football authorities are not geared up to deal with the financiers of the modern world
Chester Perry wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 12:05 amOccasional contributor to the MMT thread and a well recognised expert on football finance @TheEsk with a very precise observation on this news
The private equity guys fed on the carcasses of the 2008 credit crunch. They are doing the same on the footballing carcasses of a post pandemic, regulated UEFA myopic world. Football is losing because those that run football are less intelligent than those who can provide finance
https://twitter.com/theesk/status/1383904900380200964
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If they are not geared up, the Government should sort it for them.Chester Perry wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:48 pmAs I posted last night - the football authorities are not geared up to deal with the financiers of the modern world
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can someone explain to me the facts of this breakaway league.
All I have heard all day is speculative and indecisive. Am I correct in thinking the clubs involved know full well the seriousness of the repercussions from their respective leagues and associations ?
Also the consensus seems wholly negative from all clubs fanbases, therefore where do the clubs expect to garner support.
Is there really sufficient interest in foreign markets ? who will broadcast these fixtures? and where are they expecting to sell this product?
I assumed foreign interest was based on our leagues, and it was currently a big seller as it stands now.
I find it hard to believe a new structure with limited teams with no relegation would captivate anybody for more than a few weeks. It sounds hideous. Do all clubs involved face expulsion from cups and leagues imminently?
All I have heard all day is speculative and indecisive. Am I correct in thinking the clubs involved know full well the seriousness of the repercussions from their respective leagues and associations ?
Also the consensus seems wholly negative from all clubs fanbases, therefore where do the clubs expect to garner support.
Is there really sufficient interest in foreign markets ? who will broadcast these fixtures? and where are they expecting to sell this product?
I assumed foreign interest was based on our leagues, and it was currently a big seller as it stands now.
I find it hard to believe a new structure with limited teams with no relegation would captivate anybody for more than a few weeks. It sounds hideous. Do all clubs involved face expulsion from cups and leagues imminently?
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Call me naive but I truly believe you’ll see a club back out within the next 48 hours due to the strength of feeling being displayed.
If it doesn’t happen that quickly though, then this is going through. Just my opinion.
If it doesn’t happen that quickly though, then this is going through. Just my opinion.
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You'll never believe it but VAR have only gone and awarded Fulham a place in the Super League #tinhattimejedi_master wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:55 pmCall me naive but I truly believe you’ll see a club back out within the next 48 hours due to the strength of feeling being displayed.
If it doesn’t happen that quickly though, then this is going through. Just my opinion.
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At a #PL meeting tomorrow, the other teams are set to agree to demand Manchester United, Liverpool, #ManCity, Arsenal, Chelsea and Tottenham all leave the league at the end of the season.
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At a #PL meeting tomorrow, the other teams are set to agree to demand Manchester United, Liverpool, #ManCity, Arsenal, Chelsea and Tottenham all leave the league at the end of the season.
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BelievableDevils_Advocate wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:58 pmYou'll never believe it but VAR have only gone and awarded Fulham a place in the Super League #tinhattime
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Well I think they’ve managed to extract us from Europe and removed the entire populations civil liberties (not suggesting either are wrong, just complex issues) - pretty sure they could find ways to expunge these clubs entirely, never mind their financiers, if they wanted to.
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I genuinely don’t think that’s the case. They only need look back to project big picture to understand just how opposed the majority are to their greed.elwaclaret wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 9:21 pmI think that is the point DCWat... they had no idea, they expected Manchester would be rocking at the news. They live in a separate world to the clubs fans.
They knew full well what reaction they’d get. They’re intelligent people.
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See my reply. I think the Government have some pretty decent Lawyers.
Not to mention every power needed to stop an ESL game ever taking place in this country, if they wanted to. I hope today’s statements aren’t just rhetoric.