Dyche has a big problem.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:41 pm

Tall Paul wrote:We're in 12th place at the moment, so we actually need six teams to overtake us before we're in the bottom three.

That's true, but some are only 1 win away from us so if we get nothing it could change very quickly.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:41 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:In fairness he's got a point. You can't be unlucky 18 times!

Yes you can.

We haven't been, but you can be unlucky 18 times.

Seriously, we haven't been unlucky 18 times, but we have been unlucky quite a few times, and today was one of em.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:43 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:That's true, but some are only 1 win away from us so if we get nothing it could change very quickly.

Yes it could, but your statement that it only takes one team to catch us is complete nonsense.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:45 pm

bobinho wrote:Yes you can.

We haven't been, but you can be unlucky 18 times.

Seriously, we haven't been unlucky 18 times, but we have been unlucky quite a few times, and today was one of em.

Since Spurs (and I was there) we have played miles better away and HAVE been somewhat unlucky, BUT you can't keep being unlucky. At some point you have to start thinking you're not actually QUITE good enough. (Sadly)

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:51 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:Since Spurs (and I was there) we have played miles better away and HAVE been somewhat unlucky, BUT you can't keep being unlucky. At some point you have to start thinking you're not actually QUITE good enough. (Sadly)

What's your definition of being good enough? Sunderland beat Palace 4-0 away and have also beaten Bournemouth. At the end of the day it doesn't matter whether the points come from.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Sun Mar 12, 2017 10:00 pm

Spijed wrote:What's your definition of being good enough? Sunderland beat Palace 4-0 away and have also beaten Bournemouth. At the end of the day it doesn't matter whether the points come from.

Well what I'm saying is that the points have to come from somewhere and they're sure as hell not coming from on the road, so that leaves fortress Turf Moor, but none of our remaining visitors is going to be rolling over and letting us tickle their tummies (so to speak!)

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sun Mar 12, 2017 10:01 pm

But if we keep playing like we are away from home, then we will get more points away from home.

mrhungryone · Post by **mrhungryone** » Sun Mar 12, 2017 10:06 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:Well what I'm saying is that the points have to come from somewhere and they're sure as hell not coming from on the road, so that leaves fortress Turf Moor, but none of our remaining visitors is going to be rolling over and letting us tickle their tummies (so to speak!)

None of our previous visitors have rolled over....we are burnley,,we do it the hard way.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Sun Mar 12, 2017 10:08 pm

mrhungryone wrote:None of our previous visitors have rolled over....we are burnley,,we do it the hard way.

Agreed (well almost) Watford were a bit pants and Sunderland were utter garbage!

Burnleyareback2 · Post by **Burnleyareback2** » Sun Mar 12, 2017 10:09 pm

starting_11 wrote:Boring long hoofball comes back into play after scoring a goal.

Clearly there is a mental issue affecting players away from home - how it could affect them all the same would only be answered by looking at the gaffer.

His tactics are worked out too easily, he has no plan B and we're essentially playing the same team from 2 years ago because his transfers haven't worked out. They couldn't handle it then, they definitely can't handle it now.

I wouldn't be surprised if we ended up back in the Champ after this season. Not now.

Assumed this would be regarding the decision for KFC or McDonald's on the way back.

Probably would of been a more valid thread

ewanrob · Post by **ewanrob** » Sun Mar 12, 2017 10:16 pm

The problem is the midfield, non existent away from home. No creativity going forward and stand off to much defensively. Joey, Scott & Boyd now out of their depth creatively, but can't knock them for their endeavour. Getting the required 40 points is gonna be a tad nervous.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sun Mar 12, 2017 10:20 pm

ewanrob wrote: Getting the required 40 points is gonna be a tad nervous.

40 points aren't required, so calm yoursen down.

mrhungryone · Post by **mrhungryone** » Sun Mar 12, 2017 10:21 pm

ewanrob wrote:The problem is the midfield, non existent away from home. No creativity going forward and stand off to much defensively. Joey, Scott & Boyd now out of their depth creatively, but can't knock them for their endeavour. Getting the required 40 points is gonna be a tad nervous.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sun Mar 12, 2017 10:24 pm

40 bloody points?

That'll almost see us in Europe. Nowhere near forty needed.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Sun Mar 12, 2017 10:27 pm

I have to say I think 36 (37?) will be enough.

ewanrob · Post by **ewanrob** » Sun Mar 12, 2017 10:28 pm

It's what is generally acknowledged as the "we are safe" but agree less may do. Name one player from the midfield who really stood out today....

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sun Mar 12, 2017 10:30 pm

ewanrob wrote:It's what is generally acknowledged as the "we are safe" but agree less may do. Name one player from the midfield who really stood out today....

Jeff Hendrick.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Mar 12, 2017 10:33 pm

ewanrob wrote:It's what is generally acknowledged as the "we are safe" but agree less may do. Name one player from the midfield who really stood out today....

Personally I don't expect our midfielders to stand out individually away to one of the biggest clubs in Europe. I expect our performance to be based on a collaborative team effort not individuals - after all that's what Dyche's success is built on.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sun Mar 12, 2017 10:44 pm

I can name two

Hendrick and Barton

mrhungryone · Post by **mrhungryone** » Sun Mar 12, 2017 10:51 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:I can name two

Hendrick and Barton

Ill go arfield and george boyd.

mrhungryone · Post by **mrhungryone** » Sun Mar 12, 2017 10:51 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:I can name two

Hendrick and Barton

Ill go arfield and george boyd.

Marvins Van · Post by **Marvins Van** » Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:40 pm

FYI OP, I could not be more proud of our performance today.
To see Liverpool, at Anfield taking the ball into the corners to protect a lead against us..
Dyche has no big problem for me, I can take the disappointment of losing at Liverpool 2-1.

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:44 pm

Proud of what?

Giving up to a very poor Liverpool team that lots of others have broken down recently?

Scoring a great goal after dominating the first 10 minutes and then laying down and playing usual "hoof it to them and catch up" until conceeding?

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:46 pm

Give it a rest - you're just making a fool of yourself.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:49 pm

starting_11 wrote:
Giving up to a very poor Liverpool team

Just read that bit back to yourself a few times.

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:51 pm

Enjoy not winning away and being relegated.

End of thread.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:54 pm

starting_11 wrote:Enjoy not winning away and being relegated.

End of thread.

See you next weekend, for another exciting installment....

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:55 pm

I love this forum. It's the only place where I can safely interact with such idiotic people.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:59 pm

Today was 1 dimensional especially in the second half lots of huff & puff no real quality. It's not cause for concern with the home form if that was to suffer then would need on the road.

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Mon Mar 13, 2017 12:30 am

- pretty sure that starting_11 isn't a real Burnley fan judging by the shyte he has been typing..is he a troll..?
- not too sure...one to watch.

While you are on here starting_11 you said this yesterday on the Katie Hopkin thread..

'She has an opinion expresses it so she is a horrible person? Cant understand these hand wringing wet lefties who are responsible for ruining our country..'

I asked you to fully explain this statement [esp.the 'ruining our country' bit] with examples, but sadly you ran away.

The floor is yours, why don't you have a go now, as you are online..?

NRC · Post by **NRC** » Mon Mar 13, 2017 12:46 am

I watched it with 3 Reds, and they were happy to see the final whistle, as some have suggested on here. I thought we gave a good account of ourselves. I do have to question SD's substitution choices though. While I agree with each of the players' introduced, I couldn't figure out why Boyd off for Brady, and not Arfield, or even take that as a given, but why not switch Arfield and Brady, and have Brady on his left foot (he clearly didn't like cutting in inside to use it.

Surprised this isn't debated more on here (edit - ah I see the thread now)

lrac · Post by **lrac** » Mon Mar 13, 2017 12:53 am

starting_11 wrote:Boring long hoofball comes back into play after scoring a goal.

Clearly there is a mental issue affecting players away from home - how it could affect them all the same would only be answered by looking at the gaffer.

His tactics are worked out too easily, he has no plan B and we're essentially playing the same team from 2 years ago because his transfers haven't worked out. They couldn't handle it then, they definitely can't handle it now.

I wouldn't be surprised if we ended up back in the Champ after this season. Not now.

Sorry I can't concur

maidenover · Post by **maidenover** » Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:54 am

I thought we played with a real verve and panache today, and were desperately unlucky to come away with nothing. We defended brilliantly and moved the ball around quite well; admittedly more sideways and backwards than forwards. We are a direct, run the channels/hoof it forwards/win the second ball outfit yes, but teams find it very difficult against these tactics and we are making the best of the resources we have, IMO.
Until we get Defour and JBG fit, Brady fully meshed into the system and potential buys to replace Boyd and Arfield this is how its going to be, but I for one look forward to this.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Mar 13, 2017 5:31 am

It's painful and depressing to watch my side play this horrible dull predictable style of football. Zero fluidity in the system, widemen turned workhorse fullbacks, sh*t scared to pass the ball, sh*t scared to push the defensive line anywhere near half way, time wasting at every opportunity, no intention of going at teams to win. When is Dyche going to realise this 442 defensive style isn't going to win us games away from home on a consistent basis because we can't defend away from home. It's the same old crap every game, release the handbrake and lets get at teams. The system hasn't worked away all season long yet we still haven't adapted.... what have we got to lose

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Mar 13, 2017 5:34 am

maidenover wrote:I thought we played with a real verve and panache today, and were desperately unlucky to come away with nothing. We defended brilliantly and moved the ball around quite well; admittedly more sideways and backwards than forwards. We are a direct, run the channels/hoof it forwards/win the second ball outfit yes, but teams find it very difficult against these tactics and we are making the best of the resources we have, IMO.
Until we get Defour and JBG fit, Brady fully meshed into the system and potential buys to replace Boyd and Arfield this is how its going to be, but I for one look forward to this.

Until we get Defour fit hahahah are we pretending we didn't aimlessly launch it when he was fit? In fact we launch it that much Defour can't get in the team when fully fit because he doesn't run around enough. It was the same in the Championship, system/style of play is no different.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:21 am

There we go - it took longer than I thought.

agreenwood · Post by **agreenwood** » Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:57 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:But if we keep playing like we are away from home, then we will get more points away from home.

I kind of agree, but I'm also conscious that we started saying that after the Spurs game on 18 December.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Mon Mar 13, 2017 7:37 am

By the same token I've been thinking our home form won't last since mid November.

As long as we get the required points I don't give two shiny ***** where they come from.

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Mon Mar 13, 2017 7:38 am

Why didn't the OP just turn his tv over if he hated it so much ?

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Mon Mar 13, 2017 7:45 am

hampsteadclaret wrote:- pretty sure that starting_11 isn't a real Burnley fan judging by the shyte he has been typing..is he a troll..?
- not too sure...one to watch.

While you are on here starting_11 you said this yesterday on the Katie Hopkin thread..

'She has an opinion expresses it so she is a horrible person? Cant understand these hand wringing wet lefties who are responsible for ruining our country..'

I asked you to fully explain this statement [esp.the 'ruining our country' bit] with examples, but sadly you ran away.

The floor is yours, why don't you have a go now, as you are online..?

I've been nowhere near that thread sunshine. Lay off the crack pipe today will you

oswyclaret · Post by **oswyclaret** » Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:16 am

Vegas Claret wrote:did you see our first goal today ?
did you see all the pressure Liverpool put on us with that 100 million pound midfield versus our free transfer from Huddersfield, free transfer from Rangers (as such) and two players that cost 13 million quid ?

Did I miss anything ?

Oh yes I saw it,and thats why we lost!

iluva64 · Post by **iluva64** » Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:29 am

The only big problem is half the people on this site

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:34 am

KRBFC wrote:It's painful and depressing to watch my side play this horrible dull predictable style of football. Zero fluidity in the system, widemen turned workhorse fullbacks, sh*t scared to pass the ball, sh*t scared to push the defensive line anywhere near half way, time wasting at every opportunity, no intention of going at teams to win. When is Dyche going to realise this 442 defensive style isn't going to win us games away from home on a consistent basis because we can't defend away from home. It's the same old crap every game, release the handbrake and lets get at teams. The system hasn't worked away all season long yet we still haven't adapted.... what have we got to lose

Our goal yesterday was as good as you'll see in the PL. As for 'hoofball', as you put it, some of our play at home has been brilliant, the envy of most teams in the division.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:34 am

Doesn't matter how we get the points to stay up. Doing so is going to be massive for us going forward. Sure in the summer we will bring better players in to help us pick up more away points next season.

Sure most of us would have settled for 31 points and 12th place halfway through March at the start of the season.

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:04 am

Good to see the troll has now moved on to it being painful and depressing, this from the same clown who had 1 target at the start of the season which was just to stay up, he wasn't bothered how, just stay up.

ewanrob · Post by **ewanrob** » Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:29 am

All about opinions...I get that, but if you watch that back I'm not sure you would still be of the view that Arfield, Boyd, & Hendrick did ok. They offer something defensively I agree, but nothing offensively. Its a cup final next week, lose this one & we will give a lot of teams below us a real fillip.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:33 am

You can complain about some of our performances, but you can't complain about our performance yesterday to be fair.

We were the better football team in the first half, and created more chances than Liverpool did.

At Anfield

Just let that sink in for a minute

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:44 am

post 140 FAO starting_11

Yes my apologies for mixing you up with someone else.

The 'someone else' is called 'Stayingup' who ran away when asked to explain a very stupid statement.

what_no_pies · Post by **what_no_pies** » Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:52 am

Early and very potent 'long ball' in behind to Gray was a danger all day and that very ball put us on the front foot as we built the pressure which led to a very good first goal.

People taking issue with our troop of free transfers and comparatively cheap players trying to balance the odds back in our favour by not playing tika taca would presumably rather see us not competing and getting relegated.

Only muppets or trolls would complain about performances like that at Anfield yesterday.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Mon Mar 13, 2017 11:03 am

The only problem Mr Dyche has is choosing which club he decides to manage next season,we are having a great season thanks Mr Dyche.