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Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:50 pm

Lancashire Telegraph reporting that we are in advanced talks to sign him
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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:54 pm

Phil Hay at the Yorkshire Evening Post suggesting we could have the same problem as West Brom in matching what Leeds want for him. He's out of contract but under 24 so there would be compensation to pay. Suggestions that we would want to agree something rather than going to a tribunal.

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by Holtyclaret » Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:54 pm

Great news, him or Robertson would be great signings. Both would surely see Wardy move on who was in my top three players of last year.

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by ExistentialWanderer » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:00 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Phil Hay at the Yorkshire Evening Post suggesting we could have the same problem as West Brom in matching what Leeds want for him. He's out of contract but under 24 so there would be compensation to pay. Suggestions that we would want to agree something rather than going to a tribunal.
Surely not WBA. They play centre halves at full back ;)

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:00 pm

Holtyclaret wrote:Great news, him or Robertson would be great signings. Both would surely see Wardy move on who was in my top three players of last year.
I thought Ward got better and better as the season went on but, at the end of the day, we only have one left back at the club. Strong suggestions from Alan Nixon over past two or three days that we were close with Robertson who we were also linked with in January. The Taylor link goes back to last summer.


Just to add, Nixon seems to think this is no more than a smokescreen to hurry Hull along with Robertson.
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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by moaninclaret » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:05 pm

Taylor or Robertson, any of them would be a good signing, but i wouldnt like to see wardy leave, i agree with holtyclaret he was one of our most improved players last season and he was full of confidence. any of the two lads mentioned would step into his boots but wardy wont roll over that easy. its a position we need to strengthen likewise midfield and up front. time and money will tell. cant wait for the glorious 12th. utc
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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by Reecey1987 » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:06 pm

ClaretTony wrote:I thought Ward got better and better as the season went on but, at the end of the day, we only have one left back at the club. Strong suggestions from Alan Nixon over past two or three days that we were close with Robertson who we were also linked with in January. The Taylor link goes back to last summer.


Just to add, Nixon seems to think this is no more than a smokescreen to hurry Hull along with Robertson.
Or maybe he wants robertson for a diff position

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:10 pm

Ward was fantastic last season but we can't stand still we need to keep adding more quality to the squad each transfer window. Ward and Robertson/Taylor will add fantastic competition for the left back role.
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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by Steve1956 » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:11 pm

Suggestions on here if we sign a left back Ward will move on....WHY. ward would be the first name on my team sheet come the first game of the season,places in our team under Dyche don't come that easy...any signing will have to shift Ward first....and on last season's performances it won't be easy!
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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by Cubanclaret » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:17 pm

Said before that Robertson could be viewed as much a replacement for Boyd as anything. He really is a genuinely attacking full-back with a great delivery on him. Also think that if Keane goes and we lose the luxury of a pacy central defender, there might be occasions where we play 5 at the back next season, in which case Ward could play on the left of a central 3 at the back.

Only seen Taylor play a couple of times, I'd rather we got Robertson.

Either way, we need to keep Ward and acquire a new left-back, be amazed if Ward left.

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by jedi_master » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:18 pm

Would far prefer Robertson due to experience of this level and the fact I just feel he is a far better player.

It is quite odd how the first position we have heavily targetted for signings is left back considering that Ward was arguably my POTY, if not certainly in the top three.

Plenty of life left in him yet and I don't think he will look at Robertson/Taylor and think that he can't compete - he should start the season in the team.

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by claretspice » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:19 pm

Steve1956 wrote:Suggestions on here if we sign a left back Ward will move on....WHY. ward would be the first name on my team sheet come the first game of the season,places in our team under Dyche don't come that easy...any signing will have to shift Ward first....and on last season's performances it won't be easy!
At the risk of being a bit Ablueclaret, if we do sign a new left back (as seems likely) then i can see Ward finding a new home in a holding midfield role like the one Tarkowski played occasionally last season - particularly if a change in shape to 451 is on the cards. He's played there before and it's a common final move for technically sound full backs who have a good tactical brain, which pretty well describes Ward.

He'll be 32 before the season starts so it is the right time to start succession planning, but i think in that sort of role, as well as adding competiting for that full back slot (which he won't give up without a fight) i think he's got at least a couple of years of good service in him at this level.

I'd prefer Robertson to Taylor personally, simply on the basis that whilst both are highly rated, Robertson appears to be quicker, but both are excellent players for us to be linked with.

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by Holtyclaret » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:21 pm

Me too Steve but I said IF we signed both. Don't think we will though and we'll have Wardy and one other which would be great.
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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by Steve1956 » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:22 pm

claretspice wrote:At the risk of being a bit Ablueclaret, if we do sign a new left back (as seems likely) then i can see Ward finding a new home in a holding midfield role like the one Tarkowski played occasionally last season - particularly if a change in shape to 451 is on the cards. He's played there before and it's a common final move for technically sound full backs who have a good tactical brain, which pretty well describes Ward.

He'll be 32 before the season starts so it is the right time to start succession planning, but i think in that sort of role, as well as adding competiting for that full back slot (which he won't give up without a fight) i think he's got at least a couple of years of good service in him at this level.

I'd prefer Robertson to Taylor personally, simply on the basis that whilst both are highly rated, Robertson appears to be quicker, but both are excellent players for us to be linked with.
I get your point mate but he would still be my left back come the first game in August. ...time will tell.
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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by LeadBelly » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:22 pm

I agree with several respondents above on the suggestion that "...would surely see Wardy move on".
Ward has been a great success at TM, why would he be displaced by players with less pedigree? Seems reasonable for the club to get some cover for SW but there's no reason to assume SW will lose his place.

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:23 pm

claretspice wrote:At the risk of being a bit Ablueclaret, if we do sign a new left back (as seems likely) then i can see Ward finding a new home in a holding midfield role

Let's get an actual midfielder in for that role, if we are going to play with a holding midfielder.

Ward and one of the others can fight it out for the left back spot.

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by claretspice » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:25 pm

Steve1956 wrote:I get your point mate but he would still be my left back come the first game in August. ...time will tell.
Agree with that Steve. Anyone who comes in will have to earn their place in the team, just as Ward had to previously. But Ward has lots to offer even if he isnt automatically first choice at left back, i think we agree on that.
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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:26 pm

Ward had a great season.
However in this system our full backs have to provide more going forward.

The team is built on narrow "wingers" with the width coming from the full backs.

Last season both Ward and Lowton contributed a combined total of 2 assists.

This is an area we have to dramatically improve heading into the next season. Assuming this is why Dyche is targeting attacking full backs.

I feel Ward would very much drop to the bench if we gained an attacking full back. Same can be said for Lowton, who I feel also had a good season.

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:29 pm

Maybe Ward could go back to the position Wolves signed him to play - centre forward
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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by claretblue » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:29 pm

'...I thought Ward got better and better as the season went on...'

agree!

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by Firthy » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:32 pm

So we're after Taylor, Robertson and Bryan. How many left backs do we need ?

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by claretdj » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:34 pm

Why the delay over the fee? £5m for Taylor or £15m for Robertson! Just pay up the £5m bfc. Utc

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by Silkyskills1 » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:34 pm

The strength of our team last season and the one before lay in our back 5. Some suggestions that Ward and Lowton might need replacing along with Keane if he goes beggar belief. Of course we need to improve in the attacking third but I don't think shipping out vital members of the defence is the way to go about it.
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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:36 pm

claretdj wrote:Why the delay over the fee? £5m for Taylor or £15m for Robertson! Just pay up the £5m bfc. Utc
We'd soon be broke if we followed that policy - West Brom have hit the same problem with Leeds on this one. Not under any circumstances should we just pay up.
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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by Steve1956 » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:37 pm

Firthy wrote:So we're after Taylor, Robertson and Bryan. How many left backs do we need ?
Just think of all the crosses they will put in

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by Reecey1987 » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:39 pm

Robertson on the wing and taylor /ward for left back plus brady if needed leaves us well stocked and the option to change things around
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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by LawsCanalJump » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:39 pm

Is this Taylor a decent player? Haven't seen much of him
What does he bring to the squad?

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by DCWat » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:41 pm

Would he be that much at a tribunal?

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:45 pm

DCWat wrote:Would he be that much at a tribunal?
It's a gamble when you go to a tribunal - from reports it is one neither West Brom or us are prepared to take

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by MDWat » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:47 pm

I'd chance a tribunal rather than just stumping up the cash. He has no international or top flight experience. You'd probably be looking at a fee rising to £3.5mish, at a wild guess.

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by Colburn_Claret » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:49 pm

ClaretTony wrote:I thought Ward got better and better as the season went on but, at the end of the day, we only have one left back at the club. Strong suggestions from Alan Nixon over past two or three days that we were close with Robertson who we were also linked with in January. The Taylor link goes back to last summer.


Just to add, Nixon seems to think this is no more than a smokescreen to hurry Hull along with Robertson.
I'd prefer Roberton, happy with either, but we certainly don't need both. There's plenty of milage in Wardy yet. I think whoever we get will have a fight on for a starting spot. Nice problem though.

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Post by ksrclaret » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:50 pm

I'd have thought any tribunal fee for Taylor will almost certainly be less than what Hull want for Robertson.

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:51 pm

ksrclaret wrote:I'd have thought any tribunal fee for Taylor will almost certainly be less than what Hull want for Robertson.
That's not relevant though - it is how we value each individual player
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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by MDWat » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:51 pm

I would also prefer Robertson fwiw

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by ashtonlongsider » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:53 pm

As a few have alluded to, I also think either Taylor or Robertson, if we were to acquire, would be employed in a more advanced role. I don't think either would pose a threat to Ward, just my opinion.

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by bobinho » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:56 pm

Leeds supporting mates suggesting £4-5m would be his value.

Don't see the argument that coughing up the reddies is a policy that would see us broke. It's really a drop in the ocean these days. I'm all for not betting the ranch, but this hardly falls into that category. If he's the player we want and need to ensure we are stronger in that position, seems like an easy decision to me.

Of course I'm prepared to stand corrected as I'm not privy to ALL the facts. But I like to keep things very simple (because I am) so we want a particular player, and he has a value. I mean a real value, not a Burnley value, (or a Leeds value for that matter) so if we want him, if he's our man, if he's the way forward to strengthen us now and increase his value over his time with us, then his current value is an investment surely?

The figures being mentioned are basement figures at this level.

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by UpTheBeehole » Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:02 pm

The tribunals pay compensation based on the club's development of the player.

Taylor has been at Leeds since he was a child. They developed him all the way through his teens, and he's been in the first team picture for 5 years.

Based on that, the compensation figure for his development would be sky high.

Leeds got £5m 10 years ago for Michael Woods and Tom Taiwo, and neither ever actually played for Leeds

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Post by IWOODLOVETT » Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:07 pm

Get him in now and go to tribunal.

If the Ings saga is anything to go by it will take until February 2018 before anything is resolved and by that time we will have had the player for pre-season plus ¾ of a season without paying a transfer fee. Then sell him on if things haven't worked out.

While we're at it use this to drive the deal with Hull for Robertson, who I believe is wanted as a replacement for Arfield/ Boyd on the left.
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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by FactualFrank » Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:08 pm

jedi_master wrote:It is quite odd how the first position we have heavily targetted for signings is left back considering that Ward was arguably my POTY, if not certainly in the top three.
I see this a lot from posters and it's certainly not odd, for me.
Why can't we target multiple positions at the same time? Just because there seems to have been news leaked that we're going for a left sided player, we could, for all we know, be going for 2-3 players in central midfield or upfront as well, but they're under wraps and we don't know anything about them.

It's almost as if some people would prefer us to improve a position in our side, in a set order. And if we don't increase the weakest player first, we shouldn't improve on another position. It's bonkers. If you go via that option, we might improve our left back in 3 years.

Providing signing Robertson/Taylor doesn't break the bank, it'll be a great purchase, even if it means them starting on the bench and having to fight for their place.

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by FactualFrank » Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:12 pm

Firthy wrote:So we're after Taylor, Robertson and Bryan. How many left backs do we need ?
We can pull the plug on other transfers if one signs. Imagine if football clubs only went for one player in one position at once. There'd be hardly any transfers.

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by Chester Perry » Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:13 pm

Look what we got for Ings and he had a year in the Premier League under his belt with double figures and our top goal scorer - Taylor should not come close to that

like the idea of proper wingback capability - keep Keane and we could realistically play 3 at the back should we want to - a couple of holding midfielders with an eye for a pass and we could salivate over the attacking potential we could unleash, at least as a plan B or C
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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by boatshed bill » Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:23 pm

Can Taylor play at left centre back?

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by ElectroClaret » Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:08 pm

Get them both.

One bad injury screws up any planning around this. Go for it.

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by Vegas Claret » Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:27 pm

I've only seen Taylor play a few times on TV, never been even slightly impressed by him, I'd take Robertson over him any day of the week.

That's not to say Taylor won't be good, I've just not been impressed by what I've seen

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Post by DCWat » Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:31 pm

Taylor has a very good delivery but is very one footed. I'd definitely prefer Robertson, more expensive but less of a risk.

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by Steve1956 » Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:32 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:I've only seen Taylor play a few times on TV, never been even slightly impressed by him, I'd take Robertson over him any day of the week.

That's not to say Taylor won't be good, I've just not been impressed by what I've seen
Hasn't Robertson said he wants to go to Liverpool,if that's the case we should move on,he won't come here

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by CnBtruntru » Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:40 pm

Steve1956 wrote:Hasn't Robertson said he wants to go to Liverpool,if that's the case we should move on,he won't come here
But do they want him?
Also Taylor I thought he was injured a good part of last season as every time I looked at Leeds team he wasn't in the starting line up.

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by Hipper » Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:51 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:Last season both Ward and Lowton contributed a combined total of 2 assists.
Is this true?

I can think of Ward at Palace and Lowton at Liverpool, both for Barnes goals. Is that really all?

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by Jamesy » Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:03 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:Ward was fantastic last season but we can't stand still we need to keep adding more quality to the squad each transfer window. Ward and Robertson/Taylor will add fantastic competition for the left back role.
Personally, I am more worried about our lack of creative midfielders. Not a lot wrong with our full backs.

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by Cleveleys_claret » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:11 pm

CnBtruntru wrote:But do they want him?
Also Taylor I thought he was injured a good part of last season as every time I looked at Leeds team he wasn't in the starting line up.
That was because after refusing to sign a new contract they refused to sell him and told him he would be warming the bench until the end of the season. Which they did but then were upset when he said he didn't want to start in the last game.

Somehow I don't think we will sign either of these. As usual we are dragging our heels again on deals. Sorry but I am not for this there are 9 weeks of the window left. We are now in the Premiership for the second season running. Everybody else is signing players except us..... yet again. It really does get tiresome this approach we have to getting players. Why can every other club manage to sign players before pre-season except us. Something is fundamentally wrong with how we approach transfer dealings

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