we are going down

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:20 pm

I fear for your significant other's well being; talk about over reacting!
Bet she's living on edge 24/7

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:34 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:Anyone that thinks gray was not one of our best players is just plain stupid. His goal record speaks for itself.

This is a massive loss

No its not, and no he wasn't.
I've nothing against AG, but he had an awful lot of improvements to make before he could be considered our best player.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:36 pm

This is a Burnley messageboard. Drama-queenery and over-reaction are a pre-requisite of registering.

The levels of panic are embarrassing.

Andre Gray has been sold. Andre Gray. Our top scorer from last season is still here. Our top scorer will start on saturday. Hey, we might even try to pass it to him more often!

Anyone would think we'd just lost a Gary Lineker or an Alan Shearer or summat. Give your heads a shake.

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:44 pm

We have a replacement for Keane. His name is spelt T-A-R-K-O-W-S-K-I. Is he better? No. Will he be adequate? Nobody knows. But he'll still be "replacing" Keane.

vinrogue · Post by **vinrogue** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:51 pm

Gray in the Championship did a superb job, struggled last season to have that impact and if you take away his 3 against Sunderland wasn't exactly prolific and finished behind Vokes in the Burnley golden boot. He wanted to move closer to London, his agent was aware of the potential lottery win a move would bring. We just have to accept that we have done good business with Gray and now can spend some cash on 2 or 3 signings to improve our squad even more. Austin was sold and left us in a right old pickle but guess what we overcame that and got even better, I believe we can do the same again following Grays departure.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:56 pm

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:56 pm

If Andre Gray was not considered a valuable and important member of the team why did BFC offer him a lucrative and much improved contract to stay? Not rumour but confirmed by BFC that such an offer was made. Andre Gray was the only player on the books that offered the team any real pace. Vokes,yes, was the leading goal scorer - he scored 1 more goal than Gray.

We didn't need to sell Gray to make money available for signings. We already have plenty of money available but cannot attract the calibre of player needed to Turf Moor.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:57 pm

PutTheWheelieBinsOut wrote:A club after winning just 2 out of their last 15 league games, then goes on to sell their 2 most valuable assets all before bringing any direct replacements in.

I would suggest that Heaton's more valuable than Gray.

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:57 pm

There used to be a general manager of the Montreal Canadiens in the NHL named Sam Pollack. He used to say, "If I got the best player in a multi-player trade, then I've won the trade." Quantity does not make up for quality. 3 signings for the money received for Gray means that we've lost.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:57 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:No its not, and no he wasn't.
I've nothing against AG, but he had an awful lot of improvements to make before he could be considered our best player.

He said one of..

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:59 pm

kentonclaret wrote:If Andre Gray was not considered a valuable and important member of the team why did BFC offer him a lucrative and much improved contract to stay? Not rumour but confirmed by BFC that such an offer was made. Andre Gray was the only player on the books that offered the team any real pace. Vokes,yes, was the leading goal scorer - he scored 1 more goal than Gray.

Actually 'how good was this offer, though' ?

Burnleyareback2 · Post by **Burnleyareback2** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:59 pm

Embrassing over reactions everywhere tonight. Get a grip.
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Burnleyareback2 · Post by **Burnleyareback2** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:01 pm

ontario claret wrote:There used to be a general manager of the Montreal Canadiens in the NHL named Sam Pollack. He used to say, "If I got the best player in a multi-player trade, then I've won the trade." Quantity does not make up for quality. 3 signings for the money received for Gray means that we've lost.

Used to be?

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:05 pm

Diesel wrote:We could potentially have a midfield of:

JBG....Defour...Cork...Hendrick....Brady.

We aren't going anywhere near that scruffy Championship.

100% this

Archer · Post by **Archer** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:06 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:Anyone that thinks gray was not one of our best players is just plain stupid. His goal record speaks for itself.

This is a massive loss

Goal record? Tell me more about it - how many at home this year?

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:11 pm

"Actually, how good was this offer though?

BFC website calls it a substantially improved new offer.

Obviously it did not match the offer made by Watford but we rarely can better the wages and conditions offered by other clubs in the PL or by the big city clubs playing in the Championship as past failed transfer negotiations prove.

Do we need a classy midfield to lump it up to Big Sam and Jon Walters?

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:11 pm

Well, yeah. He retired about 30 years ago. Remember, the Habs haven't won the cup since 1983 (which is around the time Pollack retired). The days of "Les Glorieux" are long gone.

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:14 pm

Sorry, that should have been 1993. And it was considered an upset then.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:19 pm

bobinho wrote:This is a Burnley messageboard. Drama-queenery and over-reaction are a pre-requisite of registering.

The levels of panic are embarrassing.

Andre Gray has been sold. Andre Gray. Our top scorer from last season is still here. Our top scorer will start on saturday. Hey, we might even try to pass it to him more often!

Anyone would think we'd just lost a Gary Lineker or an Alan Shearer or summat. Give your heads a shake.

nonsense, the "topscorer" you refer to is hardly prolific is he?
We might cling on again, but Barnes /Vokes are unlikely to set the league alight with goals.
3 days before meeting chelsea away !! its you who makes it embarrassing. You're in a dream world mate.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:24 pm

And in that dream world, I see Jon Walters getting more for us this season than andre did last.

Let's see who we bring in eh?

3 days before meeting Chelsea away, we sell Andre gray. And you manage to make it sound like he was the match winner. Ur funny.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:30 pm

pushpinpussy wrote:sorry im usually a positive poster but Keane gone and no replacement and now Gray gone. its looking very bleak. what the hell is going on. we are dead certs for relegation now.

On another thread you say about the Gray signing....

pushpinpussy wrote:18.5 million. this is the equivalent of winning the lottery. cant pass or control a ball and is offside more than anyone else.

So why is he such a big loss now? (and where's the evidence of you usually being a positive poster?)

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:32 pm

If I'd been told 2 months ago that we were losing Gray and Keane, but keeping Defour and Heaton, and getting Cork, I'd have been rather chuffed. I always expected Keane to go. Cork is an excellent signing. And Defour is a class act. Gray can be replaced. And in all honesty, I think pre season has hinted at a 451, and I have no problems with Vokes at the top of that.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:32 pm

I wouldn't say we are by any stretch dead certs for relegation.

But - 2 days before the start of the season, we've allowed our best defender and arguably our best striker from last season, and certainly the two fastest players in the squad, to leave, and we've thus far brought in no sort of replacement for either of them.

If you were a neutral ranking the strength of the teams in order, you'd have us 18th.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:36 pm

Can't be arsed reading this load of ********, but I get the jist of the ********. As long has we have Dyche and stability at board room level, we have an advantage over our rivals, who on the main will **** themselves at the thought of relegation

Tribesmen · Post by **Tribesmen** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:45 pm

Lets not panic , Dyche knows what he is doing just wait and see as we will still be in the Premier League at this time next year .

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:46 pm

Oh, I get it now, burnleyareback. "Used to be" is a common Canadian euphemism meaning "there was". It ranks right up in usage in Canada with"Eh?" So, you get it now, eh?

Ightenclaret · Post by **Ightenclaret** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:00 pm

Jesus H, where did all these slack-jawed whining maggots come from?

Can we round them up and put them in a padded stand?

The Snowflake Stand, we can call it.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:17 pm

Ightenclaret wrote:Jesus H, where did all these slack-jawed whining maggots come from?

Can we round them up and put them in a padded stand?

The Snowflake Stand, we can call it.

padded stand fine by me, I'ed be in good company, wheras you can happily sit with your happy band of eternal optimists, always blue skies, birds twittering, blindly apathetic as we get trounced every week.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:18 pm

Cheers ablue

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:22 pm

Greenmile wrote:On another thread you say about the Gray signing....

So why is he such a big loss now? (and where's the evidence of you usually being a positive poster?)

He's now a big loss because pushin and others want to use his sale to constantly berate the club with.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:25 pm

I want to move my seat to The Snowflake Stand. Am I too late to transfer?

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:27 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Cheers ablue

anytime beamish. anytime

mickleoverclaret · Post by **mickleoverclaret** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:27 pm

I think we'll really struggle to stay up with the current squad, there is a chronic lack of quality depth everywhere but the midfield IMO. We'll have to hope some deals are way down the line and we're not firing out emails on deadline day to ask if anyone's got any players going this time.

Jimmymaccer · Post by **Jimmymaccer** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:40 pm

Ffs, can't even be bothered reading pushmecats drivel.

The squad is good enough to be in the Prem....we'll recruit well........not going to be a top six club, but to stay in the Prem will be a result, which means some great days, some predictable days.

But we're not playing Tuesday Saturday Tuesday Saturday,

Against Carlisle, Southend, Blackpool, Fleetwood.

And as fir Andrew Gray............

Goodbye and no statue.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 12:11 am

FactualFrank wrote:I'd have had us as finishing 18th, with Gray. It's got harder, but let's see what Dyche can pull out of the hat, first.

So selling him hasn't really altered anything.

MT03ALG · Post by **MT03ALG** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 2:24 am

At least the Premier League money saved the club from administration/extinction etc. and will allow supporters to watch 'football' at Turf Moor for the next 100+ years.
It will be nice to get back to normal in the Championship/League 1/League 2 etc. where 'normal supporters' might be able to purchase a car park pass etc. and an occasional VIP Hospitality Package might cost £100 instead of £250 !! At the moment only blue badge holders can buy a car park pass at a cost of £200 per blue badge !! Even the special offer of a twix, a pie and a coffee may be reduced from £5.50 to £3.00 approx. !!

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 3:05 am

People seem to be overlooking the fact that Dyche's reputation is on the line, he'll not want to fail in the slightest so he will have a plan. Stop ******* flapping ffs

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 4:17 am

bobinho wrote:And in that dream world, I see Jon Walters getting more for us this season than andre did last.
absolutely that would be a dream world, it would mean he would have to do something he hasn't done in 10 years and managed only once in his career, that's get into double figures for the season. A feat only managed once in the championship. Fact of the matter is Walters has a very poor goal scoring record throughout his career

Let's see who we bring in eh?

3 days before meeting Chelsea away, we sell Andre gray. And you manage to make it sound like he was the match winner. Ur funny.

RattyClaret · Post by **RattyClaret** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 4:25 am

[quote="Right_winger"][/quote]

Walters has played most of his career on the wing hence the low goal scoring rate but if you look at his stats for goals to games when he has played as a CF he has 14 in 38 as opposed to his 20 in 110 on the wing

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 4:33 am

RattyClaret wrote:

Walters has played most of his career on the wing hence the low goal scoring rate but if you look at his stats for goals to games when he has played as a CF he has 14 in 38 as opposed to his 20 in 110 on the wing

Iv always known him playing as a striker, certainly was for Ipswich and the times Iv seen him for Stoke.

RattyClaret · Post by **RattyClaret** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 5:14 am

I was just going of Stats on Transfermarkt.com

RogerBest · Post by **RogerBest** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 5:19 am

I am sad to see Andre go.

He was the right player at the right time to get us promoted.

He had one year left on his contract. The board have tried to deal in a way which is best for Burnley. I am sure they would have preferred the timing to be different but there are other parties involved.

We have a superb manager who has worked wonders and if he manages to get the same performance levels from his players this season we will do well.

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Bfcboyo · Post by **Bfcboyo** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:43 am

claretspice wrote:I wouldn't say we are by any stretch dead certs for relegation.

But - 2 days before the start of the season, we've allowed our best defender and arguably our best striker from last season, and certainly the two fastest players in the squad, to leave, and we've thus far brought in no sort of replacement for either of them.

If you were a neutral ranking the strength of the teams in order, you'd have us 18th.

Come on why would pace, skill and natural abilities in a player help in the PL.

Don't panic they know what they are doing .

We just need to flood the midfield.

Healeywoodclaret · Post by **Healeywoodclaret** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 7:14 am

pushpinpussy wrote:sorry im usually a positive poster but Keane gone and no replacement and now Gray gone. its looking very bleak. what the hell is going on. we are dead certs for relegation now.

Do you ever wonder whether our players read this message board? I sincerely hope not!

willsclarets · Post by **willsclarets** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 7:49 am

If Andre Gray wanted to leave, then he's best gone. Is it ideal so close to the season starting? No. But he's by no means irreplaceable; I'd much rather be a striker down for a few games and get someone in wanting to wear the shirt. The alternative carries the risk of a less committed Gray resenting us blocking a move, running down his remaining 12 months.

We've thrived under dyche in so small part, due to everyone being 100% on board.
It's speculation to say Gray would have been disruptive, but Dyche would've weighed up the balance of keeping him for one more season or taking the money - we have to trust he knows what was the best decision for the club.

This isn't the disaster some are making it out to be, especially since we don't know if we have signings lined up. This decision certainly doesn't decide our fate come next may, that's for sure

Zenwisdom · Post by **Zenwisdom** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:11 am

I will be concerned if Arfield is first choice.
Kean and Barton will be sadly missed .
We need someone with pace upfront otherwise the opposition will push up 20 yards and play in our half as they did when Gray was absent.UTC

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:33 am

Cork for Barton? Seems like one for one to me. Keane and gray to replace and imho, tarka has to prove he ISNT the man. And if he DOES prove that, we have January in which to solve that problem. So that leaves gray to replace.

Doesnt sound all that bad really does it?

vinrogue · Post by **vinrogue** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:36 am

kentonclaret wrote:If Andre Gray was not considered a valuable and important member of the team why did BFC offer him a lucrative and much improved contract to stay? Not rumour but confirmed by BFC that such an offer was made. Andre Gray was the only player on the books that offered the team any real pace. Vokes,yes, was the leading goal scorer - he scored 1 more goal than Gray.

We didn't need to sell Gray to make money available for signings. We already have plenty of money available but cannot attract the calibre of player needed to Turf Moor.

We have just given Kevin Long a 3 year contract, it logically follows Gray was on a par with Kevin Long as far as being valued by the club.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:44 am

pushpinpussy wrote:sorry im usually a positive poster but Keane gone and no replacement and now Gray gone. its looking very bleak. what the hell is going on. we are dead certs for relegation now.

We were 'dead certs' for relegation when they were here so what's new?

Ightenclaret · Post by **Ightenclaret** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:26 am

And what's so terminal about being relegated?
Its all part of the show...

If, however, your psychology is so badly affected by a loss, then it maybe time to start taking up crochet rather than supporting the Clarets.

For the sake of your mental health of course.