Ings on loan

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:13 am

He's not even half fit enough to get in this Burnley team anytime soon

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:23 am

happyclaret17 wrote:well that would be great wouldnt it...if Woods and Ings played together we would have "WINGS"....

In this ever changing world in which we live

in.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:53 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:I didnt. He had his head turned way before he left. Was playing for himself not us. Hence ducking that penalty and not wanting to tarnish his rep. Didnt have the head to take it. And then picked up form after we went down. He was crap in the middle bit when the going was tough.

Your Danny Ings dislike is getting tedious as is your obsession that he ducked THAT pen.
You're normally a good poster so let it drop please.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:06 am

I'd have him on loan if we can send him back if he gets injured again. I agree that he should have taken that penalty.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:17 am

Ings has had a pre-season. Wells hasn't.
Ings has scored Premier League goals. Wells hasn't.
Ings has played with Vokes. Wells hasn't.
Ings has played under Dyche. Wells hasn't.
Ings has hit over 20 a season. Wells didn't even manage that in the 4th tier.
Ings is younger than Wells.
Ings is better than Wells.

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:44 am

Assuming their name wasn't Danny Ings, nor had they played for us in the past, would we be creaming ourselves for any other 24 year old who's had 4 major knee injuries and made 11 appearances in the last two years?

lanky22222 · Post by **lanky22222** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:02 am

Darthlaw wrote:Assuming their name wasn't Danny Ings, nor had they played for us in the past, would we be creaming ourselves for any other 24 year old who's had 4 major knee injuries and made 11 appearances in the last two years?

We obviously have a bigger allowance to consider a deal for Ings though, given he's played for us before.

Also, if anyone had the same quality as Danny then yeah, i would welcome a deal for them

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:04 am

UpTheBeehole wrote:Ings has had a pre-season. Wells hasn't.
Ings has scored Premier League goals. Wells hasn't.
Ings has played with Vokes. Wells hasn't.
Ings has played under Dyche. Wells hasn't.
Ings has hit over 20 a season. Wells didn't even manage that in the 4th tier.
Ings is younger than Wells.
Ings is better than Wells.

You missed - Ings has knees like twiglets

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:07 am

lanky22222 wrote:We obviously have a bigger allowance to consider a deal for Ings though, given he's played for us before.

Also, if anyone had the same quality as Danny then yeah, i would welcome a deal for them

So because its Ings you're willing to ignore his major knee injuries and lack of game time?

Logical...

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:08 am

UpTheBeehole wrote:Ings has had a pre-season. Wells hasn't.
Ings has scored Premier League goals. Wells hasn't.
Ings has played with Vokes. Wells hasn't.
Ings has played under Dyche. Wells hasn't.
Ings has hit over 20 a season. Wells didn't even manage that in the 4th tier.
Ings is younger than Wells.
Ings is better than Wells.

Ings isn't wanted by Sean Dyche. Wells is.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:09 am

Braindead wrote:You missed - Ings has knees like twiglets

Ruud van Nistelrooy had knees like twiglets and he had an amazing career

lanky22222 · Post by **lanky22222** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:09 am

Sidney1st wrote:So because its Ings you're willing to ignore his major knee injuries and lack of game time?

Logical...

No, because he would understand the Dyche way of playing - he'd have no trouble transitioning

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:26 am

UpTheBeehole wrote:Ruud van Nistelrooy had knees like twiglets and he had an amazing career

Fair point, but Ruud didn't miss nearly 2 seasons of football like Ings has done.
Ruud was also a far far superior player, goal in just under every other game.

Ings isn't as prolific and no one knows if he's the player he used to be.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:27 am

lanky22222 wrote:No, because he would understand the Dyche way of playing - he'd have no trouble transitioning

The real question is, is he fully fit and has he lost any pace?

Answers on a postcard please.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:29 am

piston broke wrote:Your Danny Ings dislike is getting tedious as is your obsession that he ducked THAT pen.
You're normally a good poster so let it drop please.

Its almost as tedious as people wanting us to sign anyone who once kicked a all for us. From ings to Rodriguez despite their injuries and lack of goals.

Im surprised nobody wants mccann.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:31 am

Sidney1st wrote:Fair point, but Ruud didn't miss nearly 2 seasons of football like Ings has done.

He did.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:34 am

UpTheBeehole wrote:He did.

In one chunk?
Ruud did have injuries and I recall he spent a fair while out before signing for UTD.

He didn't miss 2 seasons in one go though.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:41 am

Van Nistelrooy had the whole year out prior to signing for Man Utd, and that came on the back of spending time out for PSV with another knee injury. He'd just had surgery and was trying to prove his fitness to impress Utd and the national team when his knee went again. He then missed a further year when at Real Madrid.

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:45 am

Worth noting Van Nistelrooy had one major knee injury when he was 24. Ings had four by his 23rd birthday.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:54 am

UpTheBeehole wrote:Van Nistelrooy had the whole year out prior to signing for Man Utd, and that came on the back of spending time out for PSV with another knee injury. He'd just had surgery and was trying to prove his fitness to impress Utd and the national team when his knee went again. He then missed a further year when at Real Madrid.

By the time he was at Real Madrid he'd already proven himself at the highest level and is regarded by many as one of the best strikers the PL has seen.

Ings has done nothing of note outside of Burnley and is a massive risk for us to sign.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:56 am

He's no risk to sign on loan.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:58 am

What if his knee pops again after the window closes?
That leaves us a player short.

Yes there is that risk with all players, but he's got proven history already of having dodgy knees.

It isn't like Dean Marney who's already contracted to us.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:02 am

There's virtually zero risk in signing Ings on loan.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:04 am

Until his knee popped and then there would be guaranteed to be whingers on here moaning that we signed an injury prone player...

Or he's not the player he was and then there would be more whinging that he's not good enough etc.

This board is fairly predictable like that.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:05 am

We're literally signing a player for £5m who has literally just had an operation

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:12 am

Sidney1st wrote:Until his knee popped and then there would be guaranteed to be whingers on here moaning that we signed an injury prone player...

Or he's not the player he was and then there would be more whinging that he's not good enough etc.

This board is fairly predictable like that.

Of course there would be moaning on this board, its full of whoppers. But that doesn't make it a risk for Burnley.

Hedontplayforyou · Post by **Hedontplayforyou** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:15 am

Ings, providing he's fit for the season, would be a very good signing on loan. Can't see him battling his way back into the squad at Anfield regardless of fitness. So a loan move could be seen as a trial to buying the lad back potentially?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:19 am

UpTheBeehole wrote:We're literally signing a player for £5m who has literally just had an operation

Yup, we also signed an unfit Defour.

Difference is those 2 players had played football prior to signing for us.

Ings has barely played for 2 seasons pretty much.

If it was anyone else would you be banging one out about it?
If it was no, then there isn't much else to say....

Ings is also still relatively unproven in the top flight.
He knocked in 11 league goals last time for us, 1 more than Vokes last season and 2 more than Gray ( who was knocked for his tally).
He's yet to prove he can sustain that level of goal scoring.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:25 am

Defour wasn't injured when we signed him. He played major, major parts in his first few games for us.

11 goals at Premier League level for an injured Ings is 11 more than an injured Wells has produced.

Hedontplayforyou · Post by **Hedontplayforyou** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:29 am

what most people are alluding to on here is the fact that, Danny Ings is much better than Nahki Wells.

Which is true. Looks like we are getting Wells however so we will just have to get behind the lad and see what he can bring.

I think that signing Wells is trying to cover two bases - another option down the middle , although he can play from out wide too.

A bit disappointing if this is the case as I think we have signed pretty well thus far

CnBtruntru · Post by **CnBtruntru** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:43 am

I think he would be better off in the Championship as he would get a hell of a lot more game time than in the Premier League.

Longsider · Post by **Longsider** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:03 pm

Read somewhere that Liverpool are requesting loan players get at least 75% game time over a season. Would he get that? Did Flannigan get that ?

claretrobo1 · Post by **claretrobo1** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:05 pm

Longsider wrote:Read somewhere that Liverpool are requesting loan players get at least 75% game time over a season. Would he get that? Did Flannigan get that ?

I can't see us moving away from 4-5-1 if we keep up this good form so I doubt he would get 75%. Flanagan got nowhere near 75%

Ightenclaret · Post by **Ightenclaret** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:07 pm

7.5% more like

duncandisorderly · Post by **duncandisorderly** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:13 pm

Longsider wrote:Read somewhere that Liverpool are requesting loan players get at least 75% game time over a season. Would he get that? Did Flannigan get that ?

Starts, appearances or actual minutes? Big difference, as if he stays fully fit I can easily see him making 25 appearance, but playing 2500 minutes or whatever can't possibly be guaranteed.

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:19 pm

Longsider wrote:Read somewhere that Liverpool are requesting loan players get at least 75% game time over a season. Would he get that? Did Flannigan get that ?

I do wonder if our decision to play ball on the fixture re-arrangement last season spared us that stipulation by Liverpool.

No Ney Never · Post by **No Ney Never** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:21 pm

As far as Flanagan is concerned, I got the impression that it was more of a try before you buy situation, clearly we didn't buy.

Ings on loan raises a number of questions:
Do we need him.
Is he fit enough.
Would Liverpool loan him out.
Would he come to Burnley on loan.
Would Liverpool subsidise his wages.
Do we have other preferred targets for the limited number of loan spaces?

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:21 pm

Sidney1st wrote:What if his knee pops again after the window closes?
That leaves us a player short.

Then Wells would get a game

Arnold Bashley · Post by **Arnold Bashley** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:30 pm

Would you rather get bamford back on loan

Arnold Bashley · Post by **Arnold Bashley** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:33 pm

He is a proven prem scorer if he goes somewhere else and so scores 15+ goals and keeps them up we will be kicking ourselves
Inks is one of the best quality signings we can get

No Ney Never · Post by **No Ney Never** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:37 pm

Arnold Bashley wrote: Inks is one of the best quality signings we can get

You'll always get a better signature with Ink!

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:45 pm

Arnold Bashley wrote:He is a proven prem scorer if he goes somewhere else and so scores 15+ goals and keeps them up we will be kicking ourselves
Inks is one of the best quality signings we can get

No he isn't.
He had one season where he was able to knock in 11 league goals.

He's done nothing since to prove he can do that again.
You're getting confused with Austin who's shown he can do it.

By that logic Gray is also a proven PL goal scorer and we just sold him...

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:48 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Defour wasn't injured when we signed him. He played major, major parts in his first few games for us.

11 goals at Premier League level for an injured Ings is 11 more than an injured Wells has produced.

Defour has, or had, a long standing foot problem I think it was.
Its been mentioned a lot on here.

Ings hasn't played for virtually 2 seasons...
He's only been training for 3-4 months, plus players out a long time tend to pick up niggling injuries when they start playing again,

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 1:43 pm

Given our history of bringing in loan signings as low risk squad fillers then I genuinely can't see why anyone would object to bringing Ings in on loan in addition to signing Wells. You'd assume that any interested clubs would be concerned about his injury record so it shouldn't be too difficult to agree a deal that doesn't leave us out of pocket if his knee goes again. If he does get / remain fit then we'd have a real asset in our squad - one who was breaking into the national team 18 months ago. Of course it would be a gamble but the the potential reward outweighs the risk in my eyes.

BFC88 · Post by **BFC88** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 2:01 pm

Sidney1st wrote:No he isn't.
He had one season where he was able to knock in 11 league goals.

He's done nothing since to prove he can do that again.
You're getting confused with Austin who's shown he can do it.

By that logic Gray is also a proven PL goal scorer and we just sold him...

Maybe because he's been injured practically ever since he left.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 2:11 pm

He has had 1 good season in the PL. Doesn't matter about his injuries. It's still 1 season.

Someone was trying to say Dwight Gayle was prolific because of his minutes per game ratio this past week.

Now by this logic if Vokes would have come off at half time at chelsea to never play a again. He'd have average 2 goals every 19 minutes. Now that's 4.7 goals per game. Over a 38 game PL season that's 178 goals.

Overthehill · Post by **Overthehill** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 3:05 pm

I have seen a rumour (and nothing more) Ings is off to Newcastle on loan.

I think now that Wells has signed they will not look for another striker unless someone is going out.
If another player comes in I think it could be a CB and or winger with pace.

Greeny · Post by **Greeny** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 3:14 pm

My Huddersfield Town connections still think as a result of Wells heading out of the door they will be taking Ings to the John Smiths Stadium on loan. Wagner big mates with our Jurgen.....

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 3:54 pm

BFC88 wrote:Maybe because he's been injured practically ever since he left.

My point was he isn't a proven PL goal scorer, just like we aren't an established PL team.

PutTheWheelieBinsOut · Post by **PutTheWheelieBinsOut** » Thu Sep 07, 2017 5:11 pm

After being left out of Liverpool's Champions League squad, Danny is set to join Fenerbahce on loan. (Turkish window closes Sept 8th)