Football's Magic Money Tree
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CAF and it's president Ahmad Ahmad have been in the news quite a bit recently
post #1338 http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... start=1337" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
post #1442 http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... start=1441" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
post #1445 http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... start=1444" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
post #1448 http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... start=1447" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Gianni Infantino who recently claimed that FIFA was free of corruption and regarded highly for it's integrity had a large part to play in Ahmad's rise to power, In the first of a series of articles following an 8 month investigation Philippe Auclair and Pål Ødegård look at the CAF and their President.
http://josimarfootball.com/infantinos-a ... YA.twitter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
post #1338 http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... start=1337" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
post #1442 http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... start=1441" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
post #1445 http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... start=1444" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
post #1448 http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... start=1447" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Gianni Infantino who recently claimed that FIFA was free of corruption and regarded highly for it's integrity had a large part to play in Ahmad's rise to power, In the first of a series of articles following an 8 month investigation Philippe Auclair and Pål Ødegård look at the CAF and their President.
http://josimarfootball.com/infantinos-a ... YA.twitter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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@AndyhHolt explains his financial approach to building Accy as a club , business and community asset, while pointing out the downside borrowing to fund the playing side. Also the reasons he makes loans from his business (which is relevant to post #1516 (http://uptheclarets.com/messageboard/vi ... start=1515" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) - it is very insightful for the average fan
https://twitter.com/AndyhHolt/status/11 ... 0141519872" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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That post from @AndyhHolt was inspired by a question from a Notts County supporter after it emerged yesterday that county have not paid players this month
http://www.thebusinessdesk.com/eastmidl ... ay-reports" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://www.nottinghampost.com/sport/fo ... go-3029135" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
they join a long list of clubs, Bolton, Bury, Oldham, Blackpool, Macclesfield, Reading, Morecambe etc. who have failed to pay their wages on time in the last 12 months
http://www.thebusinessdesk.com/eastmidl ... ay-reports" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://www.nottinghampost.com/sport/fo ... go-3029135" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
they join a long list of clubs, Bolton, Bury, Oldham, Blackpool, Macclesfield, Reading, Morecambe etc. who have failed to pay their wages on time in the last 12 months
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In a more positive outlook for the game the number of club owners that are putting money into their clubs via new share issues is on the increase, something Venkys do at Rovers regularly, also a practice of Championship sugar daddies most notably Villa.
Plymouth £3m
https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/statu ... 9275695104" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Wrexham £100k
https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/statu ... 8956126209" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Fulham £30m - not known if it is a loan conversion yet
https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/statu ... 7989874690" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Plymouth (again) £161k loan conversion
https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/statu ... 9085573122" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Hibs £77k
https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/statu ... 7448724482" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Ebbsfleet £923k
https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/statu ... 2280242176" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Plymouth £3m
https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/statu ... 9275695104" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Wrexham £100k
https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/statu ... 8956126209" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Fulham £30m - not known if it is a loan conversion yet
https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/statu ... 7989874690" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Plymouth (again) £161k loan conversion
https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/statu ... 9085573122" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Hibs £77k
https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/statu ... 7448724482" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Ebbsfleet £923k
https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/statu ... 2280242176" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Just Co incidence that most of those are North west/Lancashire?Chester Perry wrote:That post from @AndyhHolt was inspired by a question from a Notts County supporter after it emerged yesterday that county have not paid players this month
http://www.thebusinessdesk.com/eastmidl ... ay-reports" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://www.nottinghampost.com/sport/fo ... go-3029135" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
they join a long list of clubs, Bolton, Bury, Oldham, Blackpool, Macclesfield, Reading, Morecambe etc. who have failed to pay their wages on time in the last 12 months
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@KieranMaguire gives a rundown of gross transfer in Premier League spend of all 49 clubs who have been part of it as of today - we are 26th on the all time list - bit weird that each chart has the highest spenders at the bottom - come on Kieran sort it out
https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/statu ... 3369624576" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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and maybe these favourable tax rules will help attract attention of Dwight McNeil and similar - or at least their agents.Chester Perry wrote:With Juventus apparently winning the race for De Ligt net wages no one else is prepared to match and apparently very keen on Pogba returning, you wonder how it is possible - on top of Ronaldo joining last season. Well the Italian senate has made it easier, Italy now has it's version of the now revoked "Beckham Law" in Spain, whereby tax rules for foreign "athletes" are made exceptionally favourable.
https://twitter.com/malvestefano/status ... 8903563264" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Expect Italian football to enjoy a bit of a resurgence
Great job, Chester, with all this football's finances data. Maybe some of us posting on the transfer threads should take a look at all this data - which may put into context our "place in the market...."
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following on from @KieranMaguire's gross spend table of the 49 clubs to have played in the Premier League, he has done the same for net spend - this time we are 30th
https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/statu ... 0563006470" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/statu ... 0563006470" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Intriguing from the Premier League - the FFP rule of only being able to raise wages by £7m year on year from TV monies has been scrapped
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... wages.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I find this strange given the number of clubs that are already paying a dangerous amount of revenue in wages with the proportion increasing annually across the 14 - It does not bode well for a well managed sustainable club such as ourselves - the arms race has been reignited
EDIT - The rules making it easier to spend
● From midnight, a tweak to Premier League Financial Fair Play rules takes effect — increasing the scope for clubs to buy players. Since 2013, clubs have been limited by Short Term Cost Control (STCC) regulations that meant any 12-month increase in player wages of above £7m had to be funded by new commercial deals.
● The Premier League’s next three-year financial window begins tomorrow, with STCC removed - leaving clubs having to merely adhere to existing FFP strictures by which they must limit any losses to £105m over three years. A summer transfer splurge is now possible without having to worry about a short-term revenue uplift to cover it.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... wages.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I find this strange given the number of clubs that are already paying a dangerous amount of revenue in wages with the proportion increasing annually across the 14 - It does not bode well for a well managed sustainable club such as ourselves - the arms race has been reignited
EDIT - The rules making it easier to spend
● From midnight, a tweak to Premier League Financial Fair Play rules takes effect — increasing the scope for clubs to buy players. Since 2013, clubs have been limited by Short Term Cost Control (STCC) regulations that meant any 12-month increase in player wages of above £7m had to be funded by new commercial deals.
● The Premier League’s next three-year financial window begins tomorrow, with STCC removed - leaving clubs having to merely adhere to existing FFP strictures by which they must limit any losses to £105m over three years. A summer transfer splurge is now possible without having to worry about a short-term revenue uplift to cover it.
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@SwissRamble highlights the financial challenges in this transfer window for his beloved Arsenal
https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/ ... 9103945728" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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In post #1516 (http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... start=1515" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) I talked about the practice of clubs borrowing against future income (usually TV in the PL)
we can add Everton to the list https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/statu ... 8036360192" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Norwich did it just after sealing promotion (see post #1127 http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... start=1126" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)
we can add Everton to the list https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/statu ... 8036360192" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Norwich did it just after sealing promotion (see post #1127 http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... start=1126" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)
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Eurosport and parent Discovery Network don't really get involved with football in the UK, will this new appointment change things in the future? - I am sure many club owners hope so
http://www.sportspromedia.com/movers-an ... covery-inc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Like virtually every other club in the PL 14 Norwich have secured a record shirt sponsorship deal and like virtually everybody in the PL 14 is is a betting company - this time Dafabet - when will this type of sponsorship end? that is what I want to know
https://www.canaries.co.uk/News/2019/july/dafabet/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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I haven't mentioned Qatar Leeds PSG since http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... start=1296" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... start=1301" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; - today le Parisien are suggesting that Leeds will be a little-brother club of PSG - you have got to love that language
https://twitter.com/DM_Harding/status/1 ... 5352822784" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://twitter.com/DM_Harding/status/1 ... 5352822784" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Simon Chadwick picked up on something he saw at Glastonbury, reckoned that PSG and Qatar would be pleased and then illustrated why as he linked it to his soft power arguments
https://twitter.com/Prof_Chadwick/statu ... 4040012800" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://twitter.com/Prof_Chadwick/statu ... 7265216512" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://twitter.com/Prof_Chadwick/statu ... 4040012800" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Roma use the power and reach of football to do good (reflects positively on their brand too)
https://apnews.com/51c87a1584704c9e95b13102e6335d8e" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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With the employment life of a manger in each post likely to last more than a year it sis surprising just how many clubs employ managers on extended deals covering multiple seasons - Man Utd's 6yr deal for David Moyes was farcical (it has technically just ended), Chelsea have we have seen in this thread have paid out absolute fortunes for managers to no longer to work for them - The Guardian has a look at the upside of a mangers lot
https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... ers-market" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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FIFA has made some amendments to the registration and transfer of players to come into force on October 1st 2019 - concerning, among other items, the implementation of the Electronic Player Registration System, Electronic Domestic Transfer System, FIFA Connect System.
https://resources.fifa.com/image/upload ... uzaccv1yrz" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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I first announced plans by Notts Forest to increase ground capacity in post #570 (http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... &start=569" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) ow just after having to pay their former owner £5.2m (http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... start=1498" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) and paying off Martin O'Neil and naming his successor 11 minutes later they have concluded a land deal to facilitate the project
http://www.sportsmanagement.co.uk/Sport ... nt-/342292" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
though O'Neil's pay off was not that much
https://www.nottinghampost.com/sport/fo ... ly-3038877" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.sportsmanagement.co.uk/Sport ... nt-/342292" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
though O'Neil's pay off was not that much
https://www.nottinghampost.com/sport/fo ... ly-3038877" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Apparently the Chinese Super League is the 6th best attended league in the world (that may be domestic top flight but still a grand claim), in spite of the way that fans are treated - and our lot complain about Turf Moor
https://www.scmp.com/sport/football/art ... n-friendly" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I have to say given the amount of money they lavish on foreign players and managers it just shows that football is still really a political proposition rather than a business one in China
https://www.scmp.com/sport/football/art ... n-friendly" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I have to say given the amount of money they lavish on foreign players and managers it just shows that football is still really a political proposition rather than a business one in China
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The latest soft power index is out - nothing to do with football - just those countries that like to use it as part of their process of influence - Could be read as:
FIFA World Champions in 1st place
Premier League in 2nd place
China rising rapidly
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/07/ ... oft-power/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
cannot believe after 6 months of yellow vest protests people think Macron is still all that
The Official Soft Power 30 website is here with more info for those who want it
https://softpower30.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
FIFA World Champions in 1st place
Premier League in 2nd place
China rising rapidly
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/07/ ... oft-power/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
cannot believe after 6 months of yellow vest protests people think Macron is still all that
The Official Soft Power 30 website is here with more info for those who want it
https://softpower30.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Apparently the FA published a amendments to it's rules for dealing with "Intemediaries" (agents mostly) last week
http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-gov ... -and-forms" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
lawinsport.com looks at the implications
https://www.lawinsport.com/topics/artic ... -2019-2020" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-gov ... -and-forms" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
lawinsport.com looks at the implications
https://www.lawinsport.com/topics/artic ... -2019-2020" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Alan Hardy, owner of Notts County announces that the club will be sold before they are due back at the high court on the 10th of this month
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Following the last post it is now understood that the FA is investigating Notts County over it's finances - you know now the horse has bolted
https://www.nottinghampost.com/sport/fo ... ty-3041466" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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@AndyhHolt makes another plea for proper regulation, oversight and rule enforcement in the pyramid
https://twitter.com/AndyhHolt/status/11 ... 6896522241" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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He also suggests salary caps as a replacement to FFP along with scrapping Parachute payments - would rather that money goes to the EFL to distribute
https://twitter.com/AndyhHolt/status/11 ... 2114588672" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
and explains why
https://twitter.com/AndyhHolt/status/11 ... 4033022976" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
and who to
https://twitter.com/AndyhHolt/status/11 ... 7459018752" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
cannot see the PL agreeing to that somehow - certainly not on top of the solidarity payments (it is 3 times as much) though if it did Leagues one and two would have mountains more if the solidarity payment was given just to them - probably a £50m -£30m split or something like
https://twitter.com/AndyhHolt/status/11 ... 2114588672" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
and explains why
https://twitter.com/AndyhHolt/status/11 ... 4033022976" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
and who to
https://twitter.com/AndyhHolt/status/11 ... 7459018752" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
cannot see the PL agreeing to that somehow - certainly not on top of the solidarity payments (it is 3 times as much) though if it did Leagues one and two would have mountains more if the solidarity payment was given just to them - probably a £50m -£30m split or something like
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In post #1131 (http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... start=1130" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) I shared the announcement of Audi's huge new deal with Bayern and suggested that Audi had battered BMW's bid in the process - it now seems that all was not as originally painted - Bayern are now seeking Euro 20m from BMW for an alleged breach of trust
http://www.sportspromedia.com/news/baye ... _A.twitter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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"The deal would have ended Bayern’s longstanding partnership with Audi and seen BMW take on its domestic rival’s 8.33 per cent stake in the club"Chester Perry wrote:In post #1131 (http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... start=1130" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) I shared the announcement of Audi's huge new deal with Bayern and suggested that Audi had battered BMW's bid in the process - it now seems that all was not as originally painted - Bayern are now seeking Euro 20m from BMW for an alleged breach of trust
http://www.sportspromedia.com/news/baye ... _A.twitter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Isn't there a conflict of interest? here with VW also owning Wolfsburg?
Seeing as Red Bull weren't allowed to own two clubs from different countries who could be in the Champions league together, how can VAG be allowed to own one club and have shares in another in the same league?
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Simon Chadwick and Paul Widdop (with his fancy social network diagrams) look at the UAE siblings Abu Dhabi and Dubai and how they compete for profile using sport investments
https://www.scmp.com/sport/other-sport/ ... o-brothers" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
those social network diagrams in bigger image
Abu Dhabi
https://twitter.com/Prof_Chadwick/statu ... 6206695424" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Dubai
https://twitter.com/Prof_Chadwick/statu ... 3934639109" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://www.scmp.com/sport/other-sport/ ... o-brothers" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
those social network diagrams in bigger image
Abu Dhabi
https://twitter.com/Prof_Chadwick/statu ... 6206695424" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Dubai
https://twitter.com/Prof_Chadwick/statu ... 3934639109" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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For those who don't believe that China doesn't have direct influence and control of the global investments of it's citizens Simon Chadwick has a powerful thread on Wang Jianlin owner and founder of Wanda whose reach and wealth seemed to make him impervious until the Chinese State proved otherwise. He his investing heavily in China again and with state approval seeking to improve Chinese football with the signing of Rafa Benitez for his hometown club
https://twitter.com/Prof_Chadwick/statu ... 0901660674" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Bournemouth have submitted revised plans for a new training facility - looks impressive, bigger than ours and certainly expensive
https://www.afcb.co.uk/news/club-news/a ... ng-complex" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-48828242" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://www.afcb.co.uk/news/club-news/a ... ng-complex" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-48828242" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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In play betting is now such a common feature of advertising many don't give it much thought (apart from those of us who want to remove such advertising) - but this kind of gambling relies heavily on live data - much of which is collected and protected by license. There has been a growing problem of such data being stolen or licenses ignored and other non licensed groups collecting data for profit. Here Mark Locke of Genius Sports (a sports data and technology company) looks at the issues
https://egr.global/intel/opinion/how-li ... -industry/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Impressive indeed covering 57 acres of the former Canford Magna golf site. However way back in 1955 Bob Lord purchased 79 acres of land at Gawthorpe which manager Alan Brown and several of the players turned into a first class training facility. So, considerably bigger than Bournemouth are about to become involved with.Chester Perry wrote:Bournemouth have submitted revised plans for a new training facility - looks impressive, bigger than ours and certainly expensive
https://www.afcb.co.uk/news/club-news/a ... ng-complex" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-48828242" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Roy I was talking about the facilities - more pitches and the building looks to be bigger and that indoor pitch looks full sizeRoyboyclaret wrote:Impressive indeed covering 57 acres of the former Canford Magna golf site. However way back in 1955 Bob Lord purchased 79 acres of land at Gawthorpe which manager Alan Brown and several of the players turned into a first class training facility. So, considerably bigger than Bournemouth are about to become involved with.
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For anyone who hasn't taken a look at the new facilities I can highly recommend a visit. I'm fortunate to walk the dog on a regular basis on the other side of the river down Grove Lane and the finished article is an absolute credit to all involved at Burnley fc.
Three full sized pitches and two three-quarter size and other smaller pitches. One of the full size replicates the one at Turf Moor as a heated Desso version. The total cost in 2017/18 was £10.5m and represents a wonderful investment for years to come.
Three full sized pitches and two three-quarter size and other smaller pitches. One of the full size replicates the one at Turf Moor as a heated Desso version. The total cost in 2017/18 was £10.5m and represents a wonderful investment for years to come.
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In post #1127 (http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... start=1123" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) I noted Norwich had borrowed against future TV income to help cover some of the costs of promotion, and I also spoke of the costs of meeting the demands of the Premier League and it's paymasters - for a club that has been out of this environment for some time/or have never been in it the demands can be quite substantial, as it appears Sheffield Utd are finding out - they are not sure they will be ready in time (hardly surprising with the distraction of the court case over the last 6 weeks
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... oject.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Yesterday we had the news that Macclesfield players were taking the club to court over unpaid wages, part of a Winding up order
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48838303" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
today @KieranMaguirre shows that they recently took another loan - probably to pay off HMRC
https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/statu ... 3600272384" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
find it difficult to believe players are signing for them when existing players haven't been paid for months, never mind the issue of proving you have funds to cover the oncoming season as per EFL requirements
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48838303" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
today @KieranMaguirre shows that they recently took another loan - probably to pay off HMRC
https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/statu ... 3600272384" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
find it difficult to believe players are signing for them when existing players haven't been paid for months, never mind the issue of proving you have funds to cover the oncoming season as per EFL requirements
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Well that didn't take long did it, the Premier League looks to take over the Women's Super League - TV audiences have been high at the Women's World Cup - and to be fair many of the Premier League clubs have a presence in the women's super League
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48850853" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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It appears that the EFL giving Birmingham City a points deduction for failing FFP has started changing the mindset in the boardrooms of the Championship - certainly if the Leeds Director of Football is to be believed
https://offthepitch.com/a/we-have-be-creative" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Yet it was only in March this year that Chris Wilder (manager of Sheffield Utd) argues that the punishments need to be stronger as clubs are ignoring the rules
https://offthepitch.com/a/sheffield-uni ... -sanctions" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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I posted about the terrible abuse in Afghanistan by their FA officials in #1338 (http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... start=1337" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) and about how FIFA charged and banned for life Keramuudin Karim (Afghan FA President) n post #1360 (http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... start=1359" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;). But if you read the initial Guardian report it was clear that it was more than one person committing these crimes, now the coach of the women's team, has said that FIFA President Gianni Infantino is personally responsible for not bring others up on charges at FIFA and demanded he resign
https://apnews.com/b2a2727a05f746489f9a62bed36b6353" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
so much for the new FIFA being recognised for it's "Integrity"
https://apnews.com/b2a2727a05f746489f9a62bed36b6353" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
so much for the new FIFA being recognised for it's "Integrity"
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In post # 1521 (http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... start=1520" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ) I linked Philippe Auclair and Pål Ødegård's 1st part of a months long investigation into CAF and it's President Ahmad Ahmad who was seemingly ushered into his post at the behest of FIFA President Gianni Infantino (there is are also links in that post to the recent arrest in Paris and the request to FIFA to sort out CAF) now we have the 2nd part of an ongoing series - corruption, fraud and the pursuit of personal gain evidently remains at the heart of the FIFA Council despite clams to the contrary
http://josimarfootball.com/new-order/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://josimarfootball.com/new-order/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Many of you may have read this review of last night's match between Brazil and Argentina
https://www.theguardian.com/football/bl ... a-football" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
or even this one
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... erica.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It now transpires that the VAR communication signal was continually being interrupted by the Brazilian Presidents security team prior to the game
https://twitter.com/DanEdwardsGoal/stat ... 2020885504" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Always good to have a fresh conspiracy to play with now and gain
https://www.theguardian.com/football/bl ... a-football" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
or even this one
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... erica.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It now transpires that the VAR communication signal was continually being interrupted by the Brazilian Presidents security team prior to the game
https://twitter.com/DanEdwardsGoal/stat ... 2020885504" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Always good to have a fresh conspiracy to play with now and gain
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In what may yet be called the Ajax rule - UEFA considering that all Champs League semi finalists (rather than just the winner) are guaranteed inclusion in the following seasons tournament, also as a way of seriously winding up FIFA and Gianni Infantino, UEFA are in talks with it's South American counterparts to shortcut a World club final with a Champions of Cahmpions between the CL winners and the Copa America winners - from the TIMES
Teams who reach last four could earn qualification for following season - by Sebastián Fest
July 4 2019, 9:00am,
Aleksander Ceferin, the Uefa president, has revealed that the idea of “protecting” teams who reach the latter stages of the Champions League by ensuring they qualify for the following season’s tournament is among the reforms being considered for the competition.
Ceferin, speaking in an interview at Uefa’s headquarters in Nyon, also disclosed that Uefa is in advanced talks with the South Americans for a “champion of champions” match next year between the winner of Euro 2020 and the winner of the Copa America.
Uefa is consulting on reforms of the Champions League, its elite club competition, and the Slovenian lawyer said one of the proposals was to ensure qualification for those clubs such as Ajax who reached the semi-finals but have no guarantee of playing in the group stage next season.
There are other proposals too — the most controversial one being put forward by the European Clubs’ Association is to change the tournament to four groups of eight teams. The Times revealed last month that another proposal is to expand the Champions League from 32 clubs to 40 or 48, in groups of five or six instead of four teams.
It has even been suggested that all semi-finalists should qualify for the following season.
Ceferin said: “We would like to protect teams like Ajax this year, or Monaco and Leicester City before. Ajax played the semi-finals this year and now they will have to sell all their players because they don’t know if they will qualify for the Champions League next year.
“I don’t think we should protect too many clubs, because then it’s too closed, but I think we have to protect some clubs. One idea is that those clubs who succeed at a certain stage of the competition can compete the following year too. But it is a discussion only. We have a meeting on September 11 to debate it with leagues and clubs.”
He also ruled out any possibility of a Super League just involving the top European clubs, saying: “A Super League will never happen while I’m here.”
In relation to the “champion of champions” competition talks with Conmebol, the South American confederation, Ceferin was adamant that Uefa did not need Fifa’s agreement for it to take place.
“We absolutely don’t need any Fifa permission. Why would we need permission for a competition?”, said Ceferin. “This is a decision for the two confederations. Because we are not members of Fifa, we are independent. We are partners, not subordinates”.
Ceferin defended Uefa’s decision to stage the Europa League final in May in Azerbaijan, which came in for much criticism after two English clubs, Arsenal and Chelsea, made it to the final. He said the complaints from England had not gone down well in the rest of Europe.
“We are the governing body of European football and have to develop it everywhere, not just in the big countries,” he added. ”We don’t wait for the last two weeks to decide the finals when we see there are, for example, two English teams.
“Arsenal complained [the most]. That was probably because of the fans. They just complained. There is no alternative, even if they offer something. Every single part of Europe is far for someone. You go with the Europa League [final] to the other parts of Europe to develop football.
“These situations are not received well . . . It’s always good to be productive and respectful. But the FA, I must say that, they now have a very good leadership. Very respectful, they travel around, they try to help the smaller countries.”
Ceferin and the Fifa president Gianni Infantino have been at loggerheads over several issues including a new Club World Cup, a global Nations League, and Fifa’s secretary-general Fatma Samoura being sent to oversee the crisis-hit African football confederation. Ceferin insisted however he has no desire to become Fifa president himself in the future.
“No, Fifa no,” he said. “At Uefa, I don’t know. We have term limits anyway. But you never know, because if you had told me five years ago that I would be Uefa president I would have laughed. You never know what life will bring. I have until 2023 and I have to decide what to do. Right now, I’m enjoying myself, this is a football organisation, not a political organisation.”
Teams who reach last four could earn qualification for following season - by Sebastián Fest
July 4 2019, 9:00am,
Aleksander Ceferin, the Uefa president, has revealed that the idea of “protecting” teams who reach the latter stages of the Champions League by ensuring they qualify for the following season’s tournament is among the reforms being considered for the competition.
Ceferin, speaking in an interview at Uefa’s headquarters in Nyon, also disclosed that Uefa is in advanced talks with the South Americans for a “champion of champions” match next year between the winner of Euro 2020 and the winner of the Copa America.
Uefa is consulting on reforms of the Champions League, its elite club competition, and the Slovenian lawyer said one of the proposals was to ensure qualification for those clubs such as Ajax who reached the semi-finals but have no guarantee of playing in the group stage next season.
There are other proposals too — the most controversial one being put forward by the European Clubs’ Association is to change the tournament to four groups of eight teams. The Times revealed last month that another proposal is to expand the Champions League from 32 clubs to 40 or 48, in groups of five or six instead of four teams.
It has even been suggested that all semi-finalists should qualify for the following season.
Ceferin said: “We would like to protect teams like Ajax this year, or Monaco and Leicester City before. Ajax played the semi-finals this year and now they will have to sell all their players because they don’t know if they will qualify for the Champions League next year.
“I don’t think we should protect too many clubs, because then it’s too closed, but I think we have to protect some clubs. One idea is that those clubs who succeed at a certain stage of the competition can compete the following year too. But it is a discussion only. We have a meeting on September 11 to debate it with leagues and clubs.”
He also ruled out any possibility of a Super League just involving the top European clubs, saying: “A Super League will never happen while I’m here.”
In relation to the “champion of champions” competition talks with Conmebol, the South American confederation, Ceferin was adamant that Uefa did not need Fifa’s agreement for it to take place.
“We absolutely don’t need any Fifa permission. Why would we need permission for a competition?”, said Ceferin. “This is a decision for the two confederations. Because we are not members of Fifa, we are independent. We are partners, not subordinates”.
Ceferin defended Uefa’s decision to stage the Europa League final in May in Azerbaijan, which came in for much criticism after two English clubs, Arsenal and Chelsea, made it to the final. He said the complaints from England had not gone down well in the rest of Europe.
“We are the governing body of European football and have to develop it everywhere, not just in the big countries,” he added. ”We don’t wait for the last two weeks to decide the finals when we see there are, for example, two English teams.
“Arsenal complained [the most]. That was probably because of the fans. They just complained. There is no alternative, even if they offer something. Every single part of Europe is far for someone. You go with the Europa League [final] to the other parts of Europe to develop football.
“These situations are not received well . . . It’s always good to be productive and respectful. But the FA, I must say that, they now have a very good leadership. Very respectful, they travel around, they try to help the smaller countries.”
Ceferin and the Fifa president Gianni Infantino have been at loggerheads over several issues including a new Club World Cup, a global Nations League, and Fifa’s secretary-general Fatma Samoura being sent to oversee the crisis-hit African football confederation. Ceferin insisted however he has no desire to become Fifa president himself in the future.
“No, Fifa no,” he said. “At Uefa, I don’t know. We have term limits anyway. But you never know, because if you had told me five years ago that I would be Uefa president I would have laughed. You never know what life will bring. I have until 2023 and I have to decide what to do. Right now, I’m enjoying myself, this is a football organisation, not a political organisation.”
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These are a useful resource - the Association of Sporting Directors has started a regular Legal newsletter to it's members - provides a useful roundup of legal issues surrounding football
Issue 1 https://associationofsportingdirectors. ... latest.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Issue 2 https://associationofsportingdirectors. ... y-2019.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
In what is a relatively new profession (though fast developing and regarded by many as essential - witness the pillorying of Man Utd recently) the ASD provides a valuable resource on the issues that Sporting Directors face - for those wanting to keep up
https://associationofsportingdirectors.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://twitter.com/ASD_SportDir" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Issue 1 https://associationofsportingdirectors. ... latest.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Issue 2 https://associationofsportingdirectors. ... y-2019.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
In what is a relatively new profession (though fast developing and regarded by many as essential - witness the pillorying of Man Utd recently) the ASD provides a valuable resource on the issues that Sporting Directors face - for those wanting to keep up
https://associationofsportingdirectors.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://twitter.com/ASD_SportDir" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Not sure I really se this going anywhere - apparently some clubs (who? Boro?) are asking the Premier League to investigate and reject Aston Villa's stadium sale that helped them avoid FFP
https://offthepitch.com/a/clubs-want-pr ... adium-sale" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://talksport.com/football/567296/p ... stigation/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The times article https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/asto ... -0tcrzjl7b" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; - I have used my free reads this week so if someone could transcribe would be grateful
- just cannot see how this would work as many clubs no longer directly own their ground and as @KieranMaguire showed the wording preventing such sales was explicitly removed from the latest Profit and Sustainability rules (see post #1506 http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... start=1505" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)
https://offthepitch.com/a/clubs-want-pr ... adium-sale" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://talksport.com/football/567296/p ... stigation/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The times article https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/asto ... -0tcrzjl7b" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; - I have used my free reads this week so if someone could transcribe would be grateful
- just cannot see how this would work as many clubs no longer directly own their ground and as @KieranMaguire showed the wording preventing such sales was explicitly removed from the latest Profit and Sustainability rules (see post #1506 http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... start=1505" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)
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Afghanistan's women's team coach Kelly Lindsey's criticism of FIFA and Gianni Infantino (see post #1561 http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... start=1560" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) has not gone down well with FIFA who somewhat predictably say they are looking closely at the situation
https://apnews.com/8bc51d36c9df40ae96557b5bd18113af" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://apnews.com/8bc51d36c9df40ae96557b5bd18113af" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Remember that post about Sepp Blatter and his watches still in the office at FIFA (see post #1022 http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... start=1021" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) he is still banging on the case
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48865823" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
@TariqPanja who broke the story back in May doesn't seem to impressed with the BBC's exclusive
https://twitter.com/tariqpanja/status/1 ... 1658413056" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48865823" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
@TariqPanja who broke the story back in May doesn't seem to impressed with the BBC's exclusive
https://twitter.com/tariqpanja/status/1 ... 1658413056" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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I have been sat on this for a while waiting for it to develop, Garry Monk was sacked by Birmingham City because he wanted to use his agent to buy players, this sparked concern at Middlesbrough, who started to look at transactions while he was with them, for a manager who Birmingham fans at least rate, he could be heading out of the game if Boro's initial findings lead to prosecution.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sport ... -Monk.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I also suspect that Swansea and Leeds will be carrying out investigations of their own, no wonder that Newcastle link died very quickly http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... 1&start=07" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sport ... -Monk.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I also suspect that Swansea and Leeds will be carrying out investigations of their own, no wonder that Newcastle link died very quickly http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... 1&start=07" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Monk to now take vow of silence!!