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Post by Chester Perry » Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:48 pm

John Nicholson is on an angry rant again - this time he asks - What is the F***ing point in chasing a distant 7th?

https://www.football365.com/news/whats- ... nt-seventh" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by aggi » Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:49 pm

Chester Perry wrote:seems like there is 2 prong attack on Agents (see post #762) with HMRC now writng to a large number in regard to fraudulent activity - this from the Times
One of the issues here actually implicates players rather than agents. There have been investigations for a while regarding situations where a club pays a player's agent and whether this should technically be viewed as a payment to the player who should then be paying the agent. If it's the latter then that payment to the agent will be subject to income tax and NI as if it was the player's salary.

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:57 pm

Chester Perry wrote:John Nicholson is on an angry rant again - this time he asks - What is the F***ing point in chasing a distant 7th?

https://www.football365.com/news/whats- ... nt-seventh" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Great article!!

Some fans don't seem to grasp that most clubs are just fillers for the PL

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Post by Chester Perry » Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:00 pm

Andy Holt issues a manifesto for the new leadership of the EFL (when it materialises)

https://twitter.com/AndyhHolt/status/11 ... 4566976513" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I sometimes think John Nicholson is a pen name for Andy Holt
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Post by Chester Perry » Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:26 pm

aggi wrote:One of the issues here actually implicates players rather than agents. There have been investigations for a while regarding situations where a club pays a player's agent and whether this should technically be viewed as a payment to the player who should then be paying the agent. If it's the latter then that payment to the agent will be subject to income tax and NI as if it was the player's salary.

If the service provided by the agent has been for the benefit of the player then there really can be no argument can there - has to be the players responsibility so yes a club payment must be classed as player earnings - That while occasionally difficult to prove will have a lot twitching nervously. Imagine HMRC exercising the bite of the Spanish authorities with the added extra incentive that you can pay extra to avoid jail time,

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Post by Chester Perry » Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:13 pm

Martin Samuel in the Mail takes his turn at Andrea Angelli and the ECA - far from the eloquence of Oliver Kay (see post #800) but the loathing is real enough

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... -dead.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by Chester Perry » Tue Apr 09, 2019 7:46 pm

following on from post #796 about the possibility of the Premier League appointing Scudamore's La liga counterpart to his role it has emerged that the German version has already said "Nein Danke" or somesuch - will anyone take this task on?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/09/spor ... eague.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by Chester Perry » Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:18 pm

Football DNA take their turn on the proposed revamp of European Club competitions

https://ftballdna.com/2019/04/09/elexit ... breakaway/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by Chester Perry » Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:28 pm

first mentioned the curious situation at the Irish FA in post #652 - now seems that Sport Ireland is still not happy so have suspended their funding - this still has a fair way to run

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... hn-delaney" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by Chester Perry » Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:43 pm

Another article about whether there really is a big six (i.e. have Spurs final got the financial wherewithal to legitimately be part of it)

https://offthepitch.com/a/big-six-myth-now-reality" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by Chester Perry » Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:50 pm

Some surprising figures for United's home fixture to Barcelona tonight (all I can say is the pies must be pretty poor to sell that few given attendance)

https://offthepitch.com/a/solskjaer-bid ... -6000-pies" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

though given the age and decrepit nature of old Trafford these days perhaps not surprising

https://www.theguardian.com/football/bl ... -spotlight" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by Chester Perry » Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:57 pm

The kind of thing that gets Ed Woodward hot under the collar

http://fcbusiness.co.uk/news/city-or-un ... omination/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by Chester Perry » Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:01 pm

This month's FC Business Magazine features an Interview with our own Dave Baldwin

Online edition here

https://cloud.3dissue.com/6374/7271/131 ... .html?r=12" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by Chester Perry » Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:32 pm

More for the Ed Woodward's of the game

World Football Summit have done a survey of the Future of the game circa 2022 (not very far away at all) - very few opportunities there for a club like ours - enough to make one quite pessimistic if taken as the defacto way forward (which happily I don't)

https://worldfootballsummit.com/archivo ... dustry.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:35 pm

Chester Perry wrote:This month's FC Business Magazine features an Interview with our own Dave Baldwin

Online edition here

https://cloud.3dissue.com/6374/7271/131 ... .html?r=12" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Good article that.

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Post by Chester Perry » Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:38 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Good article that.
I have to say I was hoping for a whole lot more about our club rather than him being a man proud of his Bradford roots as interesting as it is knowing about his background

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:55 pm

Chester Perry wrote:I have to say I was hoping for a whole lot more about our club rather than him being a man proud of his Bradford roots as interesting as it is knowing about his background
I do remember the season ticket pricing being really good at Bradford and a lot of people were impressed with it.

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Post by Chester Perry » Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:59 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:I do remember the season ticket pricing being really good at Bradford and a lot of people were impressed with it.
yes impressive in terms of affordability (18000+ this year i believe) also very good on bring those of none traditional football backgrounds into the club - but awful in terms of providing revenue for a struggling team.
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Post by Chester Perry » Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:24 pm

more on Bradford - not particularly promising is it - though there is now a new owner

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/f ... -1-9478988" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

and the accounts - for what they are worth - are not very revealing though show a track record of losses

https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/statu ... 7055137793" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/docu ... cd95d93c9e" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by Chester Perry » Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:49 pm

Remember last summer and the wailing and gnashing of teeth from the big six over the need for more revenue and breaking the even split of international TV rights - here is an interesting graphic on the gap between the 6th and 7th top earners in the Premier league - look how equitable it has become even before that deal )which is forecast to give the top six and extra £75m kicks in.

https://twitter.com/vysyble/status/1116247222729965569" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


2016/17 is the outlier as it includes Leicester being the League's top earner in Europe from their great run in the Champions League as Premier League champions

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Post by Chester Perry » Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:41 pm

Posted a bit about China's Belt and Road Initiative (a new silk road) and how it is using soft power (often via football) to help smooth it's economic objectives. It turns out that the Premier League are investigating Southampton's owner Gao Jisheng after news emerged that the Chinese State has effectively taken operational control of his business interests.

https://offthepitch.com/a/premier-leagu ... outhampton" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

so what is the interest in Southampton other than the fact it is home Britain's 2nd deepest port - some key info about that in here

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/spon ... al-britain" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by Chester Perry » Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:46 pm

AC Milan back in the UEFA FFP dock again - after using legal processes to take part in the Europa League this season

https://offthepitch.com/a/uefa-charges- ... once-again" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by Chester Perry » Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:53 pm

Here is how you justify spending close to 600m Euros on Stadium improvements - though just how Real expect to generate an additional 150m euro a season from the Stadium is another question

https://offthepitch.com/a/florentino-pe ... llion-year" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by Chester Perry » Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:59 pm

The French football League has joined the German, Spanish and Premier Leagues in condemning the proposals for UEFA's club competitions post 2024

https://offthepitch.com/a/french-footba ... ons-league" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by Chester Perry » Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:38 pm

The Price of Football does a deep dive into two-time FFP dodging Derby's Financial Accounts of 2017/18

http://priceoffootball.com/derby-county ... -be-there/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by Chester Perry » Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:47 pm

I have been trying to get my head around this one for the last few hours but short of the fact that 2 of these clubs have actually won the European Cup why would the Qatar Sport Investments (owners of PSG) want to by an English club

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... ake-links/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

there is the thought that the European Super League will never come off and the Premier League will dominate all going into the future - can you imagine a big 8 or 9 (see post #821)

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Post by Chester Perry » Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:17 am

When Man Utd switched to Adidas the game was blown away by the £75m a year deal (especially as Utd had brought all other merchandising in house) but that no longer is the case and how quickly the market changes -Barcelona got a £140m a year deal the season after the utd signed theirs and it now appears that even Liverpool who sell nothing like the same volume as utd are going to surpass it too.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... -deal.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by Chester Perry » Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:26 am

Interesting article on the importance of clubs having a Technical Director with Football knowledge- it is important for most clubs in the top 2 tiers let alone the behemoth that is Man Utd

https://offthepitch.com/a/why-did-man-u ... l-director" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

must say I am a little wary of who Rigg directly reports to (and the exact nature of his role) - sometimes I get the impression that our manager has a little too much influence over the club and that causes me a little concern re succession planning - I will state that I have absolutely no desire to see him leave

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Post by Royboyclaret » Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:36 am

Chester Perry wrote:Posted a bit about China's Belt and Road Initiative (a new silk road) and how it is using soft power (often via football) to help smooth it's economic objectives. It turns out that the Premier League are investigating Southampton's owner Gao Jisheng after news emerged that the Chinese State has effectively taken operational control of his business interests.

https://offthepitch.com/a/premier-leagu ... outhampton" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

so what is the interest in Southampton other than the fact it is home Britain's 2nd deepest port - some key info about that in here

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/spon ... al-britain" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Mmm, interesting developments at Southampton.......Chairman Ralph Krueger will leave the club in June.

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Post by Chester Perry » Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:43 am

Just one post other post on this thread that refers to Brexit (see post #789) TIFO Football look at Brexit's likely impact on our National Team

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHmjlVz ... e=youtu.be" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by Chester Perry » Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:53 am

Your club is potentially about to win the league for the first time in 29 years, among the favourites to reach it's 9th European cup final and is amongst the top 2 or 3 supported clubs in the Muslim world and then you go and get this minor sponsor (why would you do that)

https://twitter.com/Prof_Chadwick/statu ... 2376491008" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by Chester Perry » Fri Apr 12, 2019 11:04 am

Will the politics of the major administrative organisations of our game ever clean themselves up

https://offthepitch.com/a/exclusive-asi ... tion-carve" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

- or do we need to just accept that other cultures do things differently (see post #697)

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Post by Chester Perry » Fri Apr 12, 2019 12:08 pm

It has been getting quite heavy on this thread recently - here is a little light relief from much more innocent times - money as ever has a role to play as does betting which was talked about quite openly back then

https://www.planetfootball.com/nostalgi ... gover-won/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by Chester Perry » Fri Apr 12, 2019 1:05 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:Mmm, interesting developments at Southampton.......Chairman Ralph Krueger will leave the club in June.
yes indeed, if wasn't for the chinese influence, you might not question that the timing was more than coincedental

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Post by Chester Perry » Fri Apr 12, 2019 5:43 pm

It has been a while since we have had any football leaks revelations - but with Chelsea preparing their appeal against it's transfer ban for the way it handled it's signing of it's Academy players - this is an informative article on one such case at the club

https://www.spiegel.de/international/eu ... 62635.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by Chester Perry » Fri Apr 12, 2019 5:50 pm

@KieranMaguirre has a gander at the FA's (won't be able to use that for much longer) Accounts - just how do you lose money in a year when you get to the semi-finals of the world cup

https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/statu ... 7874198528" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Post by Chester Perry » Fri Apr 12, 2019 5:53 pm

@KieranMaguire has noticed that Trevor Hemmings has dipped into hs pockets to chuck another £1.8m at shares he didn't need to buy

https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/statu ... 2489997312" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


apparently there are some at PNE that think he doesn't do enough for them - I am bewildered

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Post by Chester Perry » Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:24 pm

A very insightful interview with Richard Scudamore, recorded at the end of last season just before he announced he would be leaving the Premier League

at the bottom of the linked page from about 8:14 in

https://leadersinsport.com/sport-busine ... y-worrall/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:39 pm

Chester Perry wrote:@KieranMaguire has noticed that Trevor Hemmings has dipped into hs pockets to chuck another £1.8m at shares he didn't need to buy

https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/statu ... 2489997312" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


apparently there are some at PNE that think he doesn't do enough for them - I am bewildered
So some of them think the bloke who saved them from financial oblivion doesn't do enough for them?
There's nowt as stupid as some football fans.

Bit like those who've accused Burnley's board of pocketing the PL money over the years :roll:

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Post by Chester Perry » Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:18 pm

An interesting presentation by Peter Moore Chief Executive of Liverpool last summer - looking at how such a big club goes about building relationships with it's considerable fan-base - includes some very powerful videos - to me a lot of this ties in with that report they commissioned last year looking at the Economic Impact the club had on the city (see post #552)

https://leadersinsport.com/sport-busine ... bal-pulse/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I think our club can do quite well at this but is also inconsistent (sometimes wildly depending on which member of staff you are dealing with) - definite lessons that can be taken though

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Post by Chester Perry » Sat Apr 13, 2019 1:00 pm

Highlighted a couple of times that the Premier League solidarity payment to the EFL was effectively being reduced under the new TV Cycle "The Price of Football" gave us the detail last summer as it turns out


http://priceoffootball.com/new-tv-distr ... -a-winner/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by Chester Perry » Sat Apr 13, 2019 1:13 pm

Some thoughts on the Qatar Sports Investment rumour on buying an English club from a man who studies and lectures on this kind of thing


https://twitter.com/Prof_Chadwick/statu ... 5359718401" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


a quick summary of the current international ownership profile of clubs in the Premier League and the Championship

https://twitter.com/vysyble/status/1116622908992831488" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by Chester Perry » Sat Apr 13, 2019 11:21 pm

and following the last post this morning we now hear that there are stories Chelsea are talking to prospective buyers

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... -club.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by Royboyclaret » Sun Apr 14, 2019 12:03 am

Chester Perry wrote:and following the last post this morning we now hear that there are stories Chelsea are talking to prospective buyers

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... -club.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
So, 15 years ago Abramovich acquires Chelsea for £150m, in the interim pumps £1.25bn into the club and is now looking for £2.5bn to complete the sale.

Staggering sums involved and each season that Burnley remain in the PL, and continue to post record profits, the temptation must be there for some consortium to take a punt on our Club.

Perhaps the current Board are already fending off offers, the likes of which may ultimately be impossible to resist.

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Post by Chester Perry » Sun Apr 14, 2019 12:56 am

not sure where the growth lies for anyone to invest in us relegation is inevitable at some point especially if owners want to extract profit from us rather than reinvest - plus as many have said our ground needs a hell of a refresh and that will be money that is difficult to recoup without finding a way to expand our footprint and non-matchday revenues

- Newcastle have struggled to find a buyer for best part of 7 years - big money wants London

- even if Premier League was to supplant a European Super League (see my nonsensical hypothetical speculation in post #826)- it would effectively become franchised across regions and even then we lose as the 2 Manchester and 2 Liverpool clubs and even Leeds usurp us

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Post by Chester Perry » Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:56 pm

An update on Rui Pinto the man behind Football Leaks - still looking bleak for him now he is back in Portugal and the authorities protect their own interests

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... ball-leaks" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:07 pm

Chester Perry wrote:An update on Rui Pinto the man behind Football Leaks - still looking bleak for him now he is back in Portugal and the authorities protect their own interests

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... ball-leaks" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Interesting article, Inc the part where the EU are introducing a law to protect all whistleblowers.

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Post by claptrappers_union » Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:19 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:Staggering sums involved and each season that Burnley remain in the PL, and continue to post record profits, the temptation must be there for some consortium to take a punt on our Club.
I don’t think we are that tempting. By Premier League standards, we have a low fan base, no international following, stadium that can’t be significantly expanded, situated in a small town with no real prospects and surrounded by the likes of United, City, Liverpool and Everton.

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Post by bfcmartin » Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:26 pm

What about those fans from Helmond

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Post by Chester Perry » Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:17 am

There have been a few discussions on this board recently relating to how we can increase our attendances, the quality of the experience of visiting Turf Moor and engaging different areas of the community to encourage them to attend games. Here is an interesting article on clubs needing to engage with fans and models that seem to be working better than the English ones - naturally German is a key reference point - the Article is stimulated by a report from CIES Football Observatory re a 15 year study into attendances (which I also link

https://offthepitch.com/a/epl-and-champ ... ttendances" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.football-observatory.com/IMG ... r/mr44/en/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Not sure the article takes into account Stadium Capacity - certainly the Premier league has a significant proportion of small grounds for a major league, which is why league officials like to look at utilisation figures

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