John Stones

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 5:35 pm

I just don't see how he'll ever become this great defender that some people are proclaiming.

I don't think he'll ever become as good as Rio Ferdinand or John Terry were in their prime.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 5:37 pm

From reports I've read he's playing better than he was last season.

Is that not the case?

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 5:39 pm

Who said he was going to be as good as Rio? With City's attack he doesn't need to be. A far better defender than Keane will ever be despite some of the wild claims on here throughout Keanes time with us. I guess the fact Stones left Everton to further his development and Keane joined Everton kind of says it all.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 5:40 pm

Ferdinand and Terry were good at defending, but times have moved on. I think if you're with a side like Man City, it's about control, turning and distribution. John Terry took about 3 minutes 20 seconds to turn, he was that slow. Defending he was great, but I don't think guardiola ranks that as his priority. He wants defenders who can turn quickly and release the ball. Neither Ferdinand or Terry could do that quick enough.

Wilsdenclaret · Post by **Wilsdenclaret** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 5:45 pm

He was very good indeed today, some great passing

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 5:46 pm

Stones went from Barnsley, to Everton to City...

Keane left Utd reserves to become first choice with us and then on to Everton.

Once the manager at Everton gets his act together and sorts his team out, Keane will be better protected and may eventually move on again to a better team.

Stones last season was left massively exposed by a poorly organised City team, no regular CB partner and lesser quality full backs etc.

Can you see the similarities KRBFC or are you going to ignore them?

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 5:52 pm

I thought he was excellent today, although we didn't give him a lot of defending to do.

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 5:54 pm

KRBFC wrote:Who said he was going to be as good as Rio? With City's attack he doesn't need to be. A far better defender than Keane will ever be despite some of the wild claims on here throughout Keanes time with us. I guess the fact Stones left Everton to further his development and Keane joined Everton kind of says it all.

Logically, all it says to me is that Everton sold a defender to Man City, so they needed to buy a new one. Is that all you were also trying to say, KRBFC?

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 5:59 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Stones went from Barnsley, to Everton to City...

Keane left Utd reserves to become first choice with us and then on to Everton.

Once the manager at Everton gets his act together and sorts his team out, Keane will be better protected and may eventually move on again to a better team.

Stones last season was left massively exposed by a poorly organised City team, no regular CB partner and lesser quality full backs etc.

Can you see the similarities KRBFC or are you going to ignore them?

Yeah you're talking in "ifs and buts" again, I'm typing what I see, no "coulda woulda shoulda" nonsense.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 6:04 pm

KRBFC wrote:Yeah you're talking in "ifs and buts" again, I'm typing what I see, no "coulda woulda shoulda" nonsense.

You see what you want to see as per usual.

Everton aren't playing as a unit, meaning their defence isn't getting protected.
This means their defenders are more likely to make mistakes under pressure.
That's all it is.

If the manager can sort that out their defence won't leak as many goals, because as everyone knows a defence needs protection.

You should know this fact, but I'm guessing it doesn't suit your blinkered view?

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 6:09 pm

Sidney1st wrote:You see what you want to see as per usual.

Everton aren't playing as a unit, meaning their defence isn't getting protected.
This means their defenders are more likely to make mistakes under pressure.
That's all it is.

If the manager can sort that out their defence won't leak as many goals, because as everyone knows a defence needs protection.

You should know this fact, but I'm guessing it doesn't suit your blinkered view?

Everton play with 2 holding midfielders, I'm not sure what more protection the defenders need but it suggests to me individually they simply aren't good enough to play for Everton.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 6:13 pm

One of Everton's issues will also be the number of new personnel, they're still getting used to each other.

They're also missing Lukaku, who's movement etc helped to keep opposition players occupied.
It all adds up and leads to gaps across how the team plays.

One day you'll understand all that.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 6:18 pm

KRBFC wrote:Who said he was going to be as good as Rio? With City's attack he doesn't need to be. A far better defender than Keane will ever be despite some of the wild claims on here throughout Keanes time with us. I guess the fact Stones left Everton to further his development and Keane joined Everton kind of says it all.

You really are the biggest attention seeker to ever hit this board or Claretsmad!

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 6:21 pm

I'd be tearing my hair out in games if I was a Man City fan watching the defenders and goalie unnecessarily tip tapping it about in the box.

That's utter shite whoever your defenders and goalkeeper are.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 6:25 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:I'd be tearing my hair out in games if I was a Man City fan watching the defenders and goalie unnecessarily tip tapping it about in the box.

That's utter shite whoever your defenders and goalkeeper are.

We had the deflected chance with Arfield when we intercepted the ball on the edge of their box.

Suicidal defending and they are very lucky they can score the goals because in tight games it could cost them.

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 6:25 pm

Wilsdenclaret wrote:He was very good indeed today, some great passing

We made him look good today.

Anyone can pass the ball when no one is challenging you.

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 7:53 pm

KRBFC wrote:A far better defender than Keane will ever be despite some of the wild claims on here throughout Keanes time with us.

Totally agree. Laughable what some of the simpletons on here were saying last season

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 7:59 pm

mohamed69 wrote:Totally agree. Laughable what some of the simpletons on here were saying last season

Keane is the future England captain according to some on here despite not even being our captain. The delusional lot on here couldn't get enough of Keane's decent display for England against ??? (who was it again? San Marino?)

Apparently I was negative for suggesting Keane was overrated, now it looks like I was 100% correct the entire time. I call it realistic, others call it negative..... Maybe I'm just smarter than the majority on here.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:04 pm

Sometimes a defender is only as good as the framework around him.

If the team isn't set up or performing well, the defenders have more to do and can often make more mistakes.

It isn't rocket science to the majority of us, just a few..

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:05 pm

KRBFC wrote:Keane is the future England captain according to some on here despite not even being our captain. The delusional lot on here couldn't get enough of Keane's decent display for England against ??? (who was it again? San Marino?)

Apparently I was negative for suggesting Keane was overrated, now it looks like I was 100% correct the entire time. I call it realistic, others call it negative..... Maybe I'm just smarter than the majority on here.

Me and you both. We should start our own forum and have an IQ test to gain entry. May not be many members from here though!

Juan Tanamera · Post by **Juan Tanamera** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:50 pm

How do you put more than one quote in a message on here?
It just seems to me that mohammed69 and KRBFC seem to be talking to themselves.
Surely they're not the....... no they couldn't be, could they?

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:53 pm

Juan Tanamera wrote:How do you put more than one quote in a message on here?
It just seems to me that mohammed69 and KRBFC seem to be talking to themselves.
Surely they're not the....... no they couldn't be, could they?

Seems like you're the one talking to yourself!

Juan Tanamera · Post by **Juan Tanamera** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:56 pm

I was asking questions, on a forum.
How would I be talking to my self?

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:01 pm

Juan Tanamera wrote:I was asking questions, on a forum.
How would I be talking to my self?

Ignore him mate,comes on every Saturday night wether we win lose or draw,just to have a pop at the team and do a bit of trolling,he really should be doing his homework instead of being on here.

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:17 pm

Steve1956 wrote:Ignore him mate,comes on every Saturday night wether we win lose or draw,just to have a pop at the team and do a bit of trolling,he really should be doing his homework instead of being on here.

Again, the wit. Mind blowing.

Juan Tanamera · Post by **Juan Tanamera** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:39 pm

mohamed69 wrote:Again, the wit. Mind blowing.

"The wit"
Something you will ever be accused of.

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:17 am

Juan Tanamera wrote:"The wit"
Something you will ever be accused of.

Could you please try to make sense? Thanks.

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