Dates for Europa League draws?

LoveCurryPies · Post by **LoveCurryPies** » Fri Aug 17, 2018 9:32 am

Anyone know when the draw takes place for the round after next? No, I am not presuming we will beat Olympiacos.

theroyaldyche · Post by **theroyaldyche** » Fri Aug 17, 2018 9:37 am

Can we be drawn against Arsenal or Chelsea?

gawthorpe_view · Post by **gawthorpe_view** » Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:03 am

theroyaldyche wrote:Can we be drawn against Arsenal or Chelsea?

Or Rangers and Celtic

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:11 am

Games to be played on these dates and how long after the draw

20/9 3 weeks
4/10 5 weeks
25/10 8 weeks
8/11 10 weeks
29/11 13 weeks
13/12 15 weeks

Should make planning away trips so much easier and cheaper

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:20 am

I would have thought that since the group draw is after the last qualifying round, those pots would be rearranged under the actual coefficients and we wouldn't be in pot 1 because our coefficient is only 15,921 - that would put us into pot 3, or pot 2 if enough teams ahead of us get knocked out.. But I think it's one team from each pot in each group, as you say.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:22 am

LoveCurryPies wrote:Anyone know when the draw takes place for the round after next? No, I am not presuming we will beat Olympiacos.

All the dates are at this link
http://www.uptheclarets.com/friendlies-and-key-dates" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:31 am

theroyaldyche wrote:Can we be drawn against Arsenal or Chelsea?

No

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:41 am

But we can play Celtic or Rangers should they get through.

Goddy · Post by **Goddy** » Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:49 am

dsr wrote:I would have thought that since the group draw is after the last qualifying round, those pots would be rearranged under the actual coefficients and we wouldn't be in pot 1 because our coefficient is only 15,921 - that would put us into pot 3, or pot 2 if enough teams ahead of us get knocked out.. But I think it's one team from each pot in each group, as you say.

My understanding - which may well be wrong - is that if the seeded club gets beaten then the wining team just takes over i.e. if we beat Olympiacos (sp) we'd take their place in Pot 1.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:52 am

Goddy wrote:My understanding - which may well be wrong - is that if the seeded club gets beaten then the wining team just takes over i.e. if we beat Olympiacos (sp) we'd take their place in Pot 1.

That's how it's been in the earlier rounds, but as far my understanding is that that was only because they made the draw for each round before the previous round had been played. That reason doesn't apply this time. One of us must be wrong - do you want to toss a coin? I call heads.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:01 am

Does anybody know how the draw for the group stages is made?

Presuming we're pot one. Do we draw one team from other pots? Or all from pot one?

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:08 am

Just seventeen games to go!

1989_claret · Post by **1989_claret** » Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:22 am

Pretty sure it was mentioned that if we get through to the group stages we will be made to play our first game away from home as we need to make improvements to Turf Moor due to the wooden seats.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:27 am

Here you go guys. 31-8-18 in Monaco.
Our co-efficient, in post 5, already puts us above 6 of the qualified teams.

https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/s ... d=2000990/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:30 am

To qualify for knockout stage first or second in group.

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Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:34 am

1989_claret wrote:Pretty sure it was mentioned that if we get through to the group stages we will be made to play our first game away from home as we need to make improvements to Turf Moor due to the wooden seats.

According to the info in last nights progamme we will have to make allowances for bigger advertising boards, thus some supporters may not be able to sit in the front rows and obviously install plastic seating, firstly in the away area, then if we progress to the knockout stages, replace the seating in the BL and CFS

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Fri Aug 17, 2018 12:19 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Does anybody know how the draw for the group stages is made?

Presuming we're pot one. Do we draw one team from other pots? Or all from pot one?

We won't be in pot one, as dsr says it'll go on our co-efficient which would probably put us in pot 3. Then it's one team from each pot per group.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Fri Aug 17, 2018 12:21 pm

I see from the link in post14 that we take Englands co-efficient going forward. This should see us in a decent pot should we beat Olympiakos.

https://www.uefa.com/memberassociations ... /#/yr/2018" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Dy1geo · Post by **Dy1geo** » Fri Aug 17, 2018 12:32 pm

Spijed wrote:According to the info in last nights progamme we will have to make allowances for bigger advertising boards, thus some supporters may not be able to sit in the front rows and obviously install plastic seating, firstly in the away area, then if we progress to the knockout stages, replace the seating in the BL and CFS

If we changed wooden seats to plastic ones in away section of CFS could it lead to a higher capacity in away end than at present.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Fri Aug 17, 2018 12:59 pm

Tall Paul wrote:We won't be in pot one, as dsr says it'll go on our co-efficient which would probably put us in pot 3. Then it's one team from each pot per group.

I read it as if you beat a team you take their place. Could be wrong as it's clear as mud

If I am wrong they're disrespectful not putting Burnley's name up there.

lucs86 · Post by **lucs86** » Fri Aug 17, 2018 1:01 pm

Spijed wrote:According to the info in last nights progamme we will have to make allowances for bigger advertising boards, thus some supporters may not be able to sit in the front rows and obviously install plastic seating, firstly in the away area, then if we progress to the knockout stages, replace the seating in the BL and CFS

Is it for definite this plastic seat nonsense? It just sounds like the sort of thing that's a forceful recommendation, where the club would be able to make an argument against it or a "firm commitment for next season" or something and be given dispensation to leave it alone.

I like our wooden seats. What rational reason is there that a ground that's good enough for the Premier League isn't good enough for the Europa League?

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Fri Aug 17, 2018 1:04 pm

lucs86 wrote:Is it for definite this plastic seat nonsense? It just sounds like the sort of thing that's a forceful recommendation, where the club would be able to make an argument against it or a "firm commitment for next season" or something and be given dispensation to leave it alone.

I like our wooden seats. What rational reason is there that a ground that's good enough for the Premier League isn't good enough for the Europa League?

What rational reason is there to think those wooden seats are dangerous? Why not give UEFA one of our seats and a cigarette lighter, and see if they can set fire to it? I bet they can't.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Fri Aug 17, 2018 1:14 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:I read it as if you beat a team you take their place. Could be wrong as it's clear as mud

If I am wrong they're disrespectful not putting Burnley's name up there.

Where did you read that? If it was on the (now deleted) post which had a link to a site showing the potential pots, it says "Seeding is based on an assumption that all seeded clubs progress for the following rounds. So if listed seeded club is eliminated = all clubs with worse coefficient go up in the seeding for the draw of after next rounds (but not in the following round due it is already drawn)". That means our coefficient will be used for the group stage draw.

And it's not disrespectful to assume the higher seed will qualify.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Fri Aug 17, 2018 1:19 pm

lucs86 wrote:Is it for definite this plastic seat nonsense? It just sounds like the sort of thing that's a forceful recommendation, where the club would be able to make an argument against it or a "firm commitment for next season" or something and be given dispensation to leave it alone.

I like our wooden seats. What rational reason is there that a ground that's good enough for the Premier League isn't good enough for the Europa League?

It was in the article about our preparations for Europa league football and the requirements from UEFA.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Fri Aug 17, 2018 1:25 pm

Tall Paul wrote:Where did you read that? If it was on the (now deleted) post which had a link to a site showing the potential pots, it says "Seeding is based on an assumption that all seeded clubs progress for the following rounds. So if listed seeded club is eliminated = all clubs with worse coefficient go up in the seeding for the draw of after next rounds (but not in the following round due it is already drawn)". That means our coefficient will be used for the group stage draw.

And it's not disrespectful to assume the higher seed will qualify.

Oh right, up until now you took the seed of your opponent if you beat them.

It is disrespectful, in the FA Cup or similar it shows both teams if the outcome hasn't been decided.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Fri Aug 17, 2018 1:30 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Oh right, up until now you took the seed of your opponent if you beat them.

It is disrespectful, in the FA Cup or similar it shows both teams if the outcome hasn't been decided.

That's because the draws were taking place before the previous round was completed.

UEFA don't show potential pots anywhere, that website is independently run and is showing how the pots would end up if the higher seeds went through. It wouldn't be accurate if they tried to show both teams.

diamondpocket · Post by **diamondpocket** » Fri Aug 17, 2018 1:33 pm

After seeing some of the grounds where games have been played up to now it is a nonsense having to make all these changes.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Fri Aug 17, 2018 1:47 pm

Refer to the links in posts 14 & 18 guys. From the group stages draw we take Englands co-efficient which ended last season at 20, above our 15, and likely to move us well up the pots.
Using the 5 year cycle England are 79 and second only to Spain.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Fri Aug 17, 2018 2:00 pm

Our coefficient is 15,921 (or 15.921) and stays so through the competition. It's the higher of England's five-year average (which is 15,921) or our total points gained in Europe (which is 0, surprsingly!).

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Fri Aug 17, 2018 2:04 pm

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Fri Aug 17, 2018 2:24 pm

There are about 7 clubs that would need to get knocked out for us to be in Pot 2 of 4 (e.g. Molde beating Zenit). Possible but unlikely. For the group stages though I would prefer us to be seeded low, for some plum games. Imagine a group with Ajax, Milan and us?

Got to get past another giant first though, and once again we'll be odds on with the bookies not to.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Fri Aug 17, 2018 2:28 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:There are about 7 clubs that would need to get knocked out for us to be in Pot 2 of 4 (e.g. Molde beating Zenit). Possible but unlikely. For the group stages though I would prefer us to be seeded low, for some plum games. Imagine a group with Ajax, Milan and us?

Got to get past another giant first though, and once again we'll be odds on with the bookies not to.

Only a couple of bookies offering odds on getting past Olympiakos and they've priced it at around 11/10.

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Fri Aug 17, 2018 2:53 pm

Tall Paul wrote:Only a couple of bookies offering odds on getting past Olympiakos and they've priced it at around 11/10.

That's what I expected, Olympiacos were stronger favourites than us before yesterday to win the whole thing, but maybe whether we are home or away first is a factor?

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Fri Aug 17, 2018 3:15 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:That's what I expected, Olympiacos were stronger favourites than us before yesterday to win the whole thing, but maybe whether we are home or away first is a factor?

More likely our tie was still in the balance whereas they had effectively progressed against Luzern.

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Fri Aug 17, 2018 4:58 pm

Are Olympiacos really a better side than the one we just played? Bigger club, certainly, but better team?

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Fri Aug 17, 2018 7:27 pm

Spijed wrote:According to the info in last nights progamme we will have to make allowances for bigger advertising boards, thus some supporters may not be able to sit in the front rows and obviously install plastic seating, firstly in the away area, then if we progress to the knockout stages, replace the seating in the BL and CFS

As much as I want to win this thing, I think I would get knocked out on purpose if it meant filling the Bob Lord and CFS with plastic seats FFS.

Theyre awful. I cant believe anyone thinks plastic seats are better than wooden!

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Fri Aug 17, 2018 7:29 pm

Dyched wrote:Games to be played on these dates and how long after the draw

20/9 3 weeks
4/10 5 weeks
25/10 8 weeks
8/11 10 weeks
29/11 13 weeks
13/12 15 weeks

Should make planning away trips so much easier and cheaper

Thats good. 5 weeks between every away game i would guess?

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Fri Aug 17, 2018 7:30 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Thats good. 5 weeks between every away game i would guess?

Or not.

Everton last season did:

Away
Home
Home
Away
Home
Away

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Fri Aug 17, 2018 8:35 pm

I am just pleased we still have a co-efficient!

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Fri Aug 17, 2018 8:38 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Thats good. 5 weeks between every away game i would guess?

It's possible for 1 team to play AHAHAH, but not 2. If 2 teams did it, they would never play each other. So the chances are that we will play 2 consecutive home or 2 consecutive away at some point. If we get there!

I think we can take it as certainty, however, that games 1 and 2 will be one home one away, games 3 and 4 will be one home one away, and games 5 and 6 will be one home one away. We won't get two home games / two away games in a fortnight block.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:33 pm

dsr wrote:It's possible for 1 team to play AHAHAH, but not 2. If 2 teams did it, they would never play each other. So the chances are that we will play 2 consecutive home or 2 consecutive away at some point. If we get there!

I think we can take it as certainty, however, that games 1 and 2 will be one home one away, games 3 and 4 will be one home one away, and games 5 and 6 will be one home one away. We won't get two home games / two away games in a fortnight block.

Makes sense thanks.