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Concert ticket pricing

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:03 pm

How are they justifying such expensive ticket sales these days?

Is it because people dont buy records any more? Is it greed? Is it both?

Just seen that the bloody Spice Girls tickets are going for in excess of £200 - on ticketmaster! Ed Sheeran, at a huge park (not even a stadium) £90+. Pink... £320 (Three Hundred and Twenty!!!!)

You can get festival tickets for much less, and makes a season ticket look good value.

I paid a considerable amount for The Rolling Stones, but justified in the fact that it was probably a once in a lifetime concert and with a performance to boot. (I Was more pi$$ed off with the extortionate booking fee on that one!)

Is this the norm now?

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Re: Concert ticket pricing

Post by Rick_Muller » Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:09 pm

I'm worried that you are looking at tickets for 4 middle aged bints doing a dance to some 90's music... ;)
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Re: Concert ticket pricing

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:14 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:I'm worried that you are looking at tickets for 4 middle aged bints doing a dance to some 90's music... ;)
I would be more worried if you found out I once won the talent show at an all boys school as the spice girls... :? :? :? Oh ****! I just typed that out loud!
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Re: Concert ticket pricing

Post by claretblue » Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:15 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:I paid a considerable amount for The Rolling Stones, but justified in the fact that it was probably a once in a lifetime concert and with a performance to boot...Is this the norm now?
you were robbed CC!

...they were on down the road not long ago for eight and tanner! :D

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Re: Concert ticket pricing

Post by Bosscat » Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:15 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:I would be more worried if you found out I once won the talent show at an all boys school as the spice girls... :? :? :? Oh ****! I just typed that out loud!
Jeeezus wept .... not a thought I wish to contemplate... :cry:

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Re: Concert ticket pricing

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:24 pm

Bosscat wrote:Jeeezus wept .... not a thought I wish to contemplate... :cry:
A bet is a bet! :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Concert ticket pricing

Post by john'sroseyspecs » Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:24 pm

Which one was he?

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Re: Concert ticket pricing

Post by Damo » Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:27 pm

Tickets are priced that high because people are stupid enough to pay it.
It's the same reason premier league footballers get paid so handsomely.
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Re: Concert ticket pricing

Post by TheFamilyCat » Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:33 pm

If folk will pay it why wouldn't promoters charge that much?

It does sometimes backfire and you see tickets being flogged cheap on Groupon and the like.

I'm genuinely amazed at the demand for some of these acts though. Steps sold out arenas recently; surely liking Steps when you were young is something you try and hide.
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Re: Concert ticket pricing

Post by Bosscat » Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:39 pm

john'sroseyspecs wrote:Which one was he?
Stop iiiit am still trying to get the bloody vision out of my head :roll: :roll: :roll:

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Re: Concert ticket pricing

Post by Funkydrummer » Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:44 pm

Some aren't too bad I don't think. I only paid £80 to see James Taylor earlier in the year
and have only paid £65 to see Steely Dan with Stevie Winwood next February. There was
however another £8 of add-ons by way of various charges.

Not too bad value for money in my eyes.

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Re: Concert ticket pricing

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:46 pm

Funkydrummer wrote:Some aren't too bad I don't think. I only paid £80 to see James Taylor earlier in the year
and have only paid £65 to see Steely Dan with Stevie Winwood next February. There was
however another £8 of add-ons by way of various charges.

Not bad value for money in my eyes.
Thats what I mean. ONLY £80. Is that cheap?

I cant remember what i paid in the past for Stone Roses (past it) Oasis (decent) Kasabian (very good) but am sure they werent that much? Perhaps they were.

I usually go to festivals over individual concerts so perhaps I am out of it a bit on pricing.

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Re: Concert ticket pricing

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:46 pm

Then there is the £6 flat lager in a paper cup :-(

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Re: Concert ticket pricing

Post by Joe14 » Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:03 pm

You should be banned from this site just for looking at spice girls tickets :shock:
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Re: Concert ticket pricing

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:09 pm

Joe14 wrote:You should be banned from this site just for looking at spice girls tickets :shock:
I wasn't looking for them, I saw an article. Honest. :?

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Re: Concert ticket pricing

Post by piston broke » Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:20 pm

Go abroad.
Pink in UK £120, in Dublin from €65

Couple of years ago. Springsteen in Dublin €120, in Lisbon €40

Make a break of it flights are cheap enough.

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Re: Concert ticket pricing

Post by Cleveleys_claret » Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:24 pm

Springsteen tickets at Broadway are in excess of $1350. Britney Spears so far has made $100 million from her Vegas shows. Celine Dion has been doing 100+ shows a year at vegas for 10 years at a cool half a million a concert.

The big stars know this money can be made without the need for touring so will only do for extortionate prices.

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Re: Concert ticket pricing

Post by bfccrazy » Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:49 pm

The missus was looking at the VIP spice girls tickets to go with her mate - was ready to part with £250/275 for them each too.

Then saw that it was another £100 in fees for them ......

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Re: Concert ticket pricing

Post by John Johnson 1605 » Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:55 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:How are they justifying such expensive ticket sales these days?

Is it because people dont buy records any more? Is it greed? Is it both?

Just seen that the bloody Spice Girls tickets are going for in excess of £200 - on ticketmaster! Ed Sheeran, at a huge park (not even a stadium) £90+. Pink... £320 (Three Hundred and Twenty!!!!)

You can get festival tickets for much less, and makes a season ticket look good value.

I paid a considerable amount for The Rolling Stones, but justified in the fact that it was probably a once in a lifetime concert and with a performance to boot. (I Was more pi$$ed off with the extortionate booking fee on that one!)

Is this the norm now?
You can still see the UK SUBS for less than a tenner :D
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Re: Concert ticket pricing

Post by Cleveleys_claret » Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:56 pm

Not long ago bought tickets for Liam Gallagher. Last date of his tour so thought we would make a weekend of it so booked a hotel for 2 nights before as well. Booked through Viagogo 6 months before. A week before still no ticket so got in contact and they told me they dont send until the day before to stop me selling on. I said isnt that what you have just done. Anyways....had to drive back from manchester morning of gig to get tickets. Never use them again and absolutely shocking that a tout company stop you doing the same. Not that that was my plan but surely once you buy the ticket it is yours to do witb how you please. Also if there had been some delay in the post I may not have recieved my ticket.

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Re: Concert ticket pricing

Post by martin_p » Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:10 pm

I paid just £13 to see The Smyths the other night. They may have changed the spelling of their name but I’m pretty sure it was them :-)
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Re: Concert ticket pricing

Post by duncandisorderly » Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:19 pm

Touring is the only way for a band to make money - album sales revenue gets swallowed up by management, producers, record labels etc. Back in the day a bands revenue was largely down to record sales and touring was cheap. With the rise of file sharing, spotify, youtube et al folk don't buy albums to the same extent they used to so the crux of a bands income comes from touring and heavily marked up merchandise.

One off gigs can be charged at whatever they want, but a touring band is generally reasonable enough - I paid a little over £40 to watch slayer last week with around 15,000 other people or whatever Manchester Arena holds. Divvy that 600k up between four bands plus crew and there won't be a lot left over.

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Re: Concert ticket pricing

Post by criminalclaret » Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:33 pm

Yeah its ridiculous but as said, gigging is the only way for some acts to make money these days.

Geography make a world of difference. Taylor Swift sold out in her UK tour and most of her European tour, yet because the price was so expensive over here (starting at EUR 90, Dublin and rising) and she bizarrely did two nights, there was a lot unsold. I know so many people who went for free to that gig. I use to live next to Croke Park and went out around town the Saturday it was on. I heard a woman asking if anyone had a spare ticket for her little girls friend and another woman perked up, "here's 9 free for you!".

Supply and demand, when the Rolling Stones played earlier this year it was a sell out 82,000 and I got the cheapest, at EUR 136. But like CC has said, it was a great gig and the last time I will see them again.

Value is in the eye of the beholder, and like above, if people aren't prepared to pay it then the promoters will learn their lesson. But I would definitely be looking at tickets for major bands playing in other countries and make the most of a weekend away. The casual cheap mid-week gig to see a decent mainstream band has well and truly gone I think.
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Re: Concert ticket pricing

Post by ŽižkovClaret » Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:39 pm

Just paid about 60 quid for KISS with ZZ Topp supporting here next year in a stadium with circa 15k capacity.

Knowing KISS though it will be well worth it. They put on a hell of a show and you see where a good chunk of the money goes

Helps that i wont have any hotel or travel costs and beer will be a couple of quid a pint
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Re: Concert ticket pricing

Post by karatekid » Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:40 pm

I went to see Pink Floyd in August 1988 at Maine road manchester. Huge inflatable flying pigs, laser and light show and a huge brass bed crashing into the stage in a ball of flames whilst the band belted out the classics. What a night. £16 for a ticket. :D

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Re: Concert ticket pricing

Post by tim_noone » Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:01 pm

claretblue wrote:you were robbed CC!

...they were on down the road not long ago for eight and tanner! :D

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Amazing to think a small town like Barrowford in Nelson staged such high profile Bands of the day.pretty remarkable and will never happen again.

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Post by Dyched » Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:11 pm

Bands make naff all from streaming and the only way of making money is touring.

Some artists obviously rip of fans.

Arctic Monkeys made $5.6m from 4 nights alone at the O2 this year. Yet they’ve made several videos and recorded 100s of hours of footage on 16mm cameras during the making of the album and live. Unlike movies they won’t make millions of pounds at the box office.

Flying the band, crew, gear around the world will not be cheap either.

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Re: Concert ticket pricing

Post by ŽižkovClaret » Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:14 pm

Dyched wrote:Bands make naff all from streaming and the only way of making money is touring.

Some artists obviously rip of fans.

Arctic Monkeys made $5.6m from 4 nights alone at the O2 this year. Yet they’ve made several videos and recorded 100s of hours of footage on 16mm cameras during the making of the album and live. Unlike movies they won’t make millions of pounds at the box office.

Flying the band, crew, gear around the world will not be cheap either.
All for a sub Tony Christie club singer shtick

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Post by Dyched » Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:17 pm

ZizkovClaret wrote:All for a sub Tony Christie club singer shtick
Two shows a day four nights a week. Easy money.

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Post by South West Claret. » Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:47 pm

Damo wrote:Tickets are priced that high because people are stupid enough to pay it.
It's the same reason premier league footballers get paid so handsomely.
Dead right...going slightly off topic but then there are the people who have a Murdoch satellite subscription and then moan that the KOs times have been changed, the only exceptions being people with disabilities.

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Re: Concert ticket pricing

Post by willsclarets » Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:29 am

It has gotten ridiculous. I paid £50 for Nick Cave, which was good but he's not suited to big arenas. I wouldn't mind paying more if they were good venues to watch music in but they're just huge tin boxes with crap acoustics to maximise profit. The best venue I've been to is The Barrowlands in Glasgow, who's had everyone from Oasis, The Clash, The Cure, The Smiths, Blur, Radiohead, Bob Dylan, David Bowie etc etc. It holds about 2000 people, the atmospheres great, you never feel far from the stage and the bar is in the same place as the band is playing. Huge bands hardly ever play there now, and eventually it will die. Such a shame.
That said if you're watching Pink I'm not sure it matters :-)

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Re: Concert ticket pricing

Post by LeadBelly » Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:39 am

It's got to be partly due to bands not making so much from album sales - I dont know anybody under c 40 who still buys albums (though I know there's a bit of a vinyl trend lately). Both my 30+ yo offspring do Spotify & think I'm mental for still buying cds at £10 per pop.

The big bands also have huge expensive entourages/equipment lorry loads to fund from the takings.

It's still possible to watch a lot of good music for £6-£16 per ticket as long as you are looking outside the "big acts".
I'm going to my 21 st gig of the year on Thursday and the average price I've paid is under £15. These aren't "pub bands" but performers with goodish reputations who have made moderately selling albums etc. Gigs usually at venues holding 50-100 people where you can stand/sit right up to the stage and chat to the artists during the interval/after the show.

On Thursday I'm going to see a guy who's released c a dozen decent albums over 20 years as a pro musician, playing with his trio including BJ Cole who's the premier pedal steel player in the UK; tkts £13. Venue is a room above a pub where you can get decent beer for c £4, served fairly quickly. Beats stadium gigs (unless there's that one big act you just have to see once).
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Post by Goddy » Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:50 am

Leon Bridges last night at Rock City (Nottingham) - £23 (inc hated booking and delivery fees)
George Ezra - Rock City again - £29
Glenn Tilbrook Glee Club - £22

All seems pretty decent to me. I would have liked to have seen The Eagles but bonkers prices (cheapest seem to be over £90). Could have seen ELO but again cheapest ticket was over £100 in the aircraft hangar that is the Ice Stadium in Nottingham.

Personally, I have a bit of a problem paying over £70 to see any band/artist. I guess I'm lucky enough to be able to afford it but still think it's too much of a rip-off.

That being said, sporting events are going the same way. I was looking at the cricket World Cup and tickets at Trent Bridge seemed crazy prices (unless you want the really rubbish view seats).

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Re: Concert ticket pricing

Post by Clarets4me » Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:50 am

I've got two tickets in my hand right now ..... Springsteen & the full E-Steet Band, at Wembley for the 4th July ..... it's face value is £9, and England v Wales at Twickenham on 18th January ( £3.50 )
Unfortunately, they're for 1985 and 1986 respectively ....

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Re: Concert ticket pricing

Post by Quickenthetempo » Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:57 am

People would rather pay 100s for an established, named band than a couple of quid for new up and coming bands.

Promoters know this so push the limits.

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Re: Concert ticket pricing

Post by Goddy » Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:58 am

It's still possible to watch a lot of good music for £6-£16 per ticket as long as you are looking outside the "big acts".
I'm going to my 21 st gig of the year on Thursday and the average price I've paid is under £15. These aren't "pub bands" but performers with goodish reputations who have made moderately selling albums etc. Gigs usually at venues holding 50-100 people where you can stand/sit right up to the stage and chat to the artists during the interval/after the show.

Agreed, Leadbelly. Quite often go to the Bodega or Rescue Rooms and seen some great bands. Most recently, Villagers a couple of weeks back and, coming up in the next few weeks for those who go back to the 1980/90's, Martin Stephenson and the Daintees, Magic Numbers for less than £20.

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Post by NottsClaret » Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:03 am

LeadBelly wrote: It's still possible to watch a lot of good music for £6-£16 per ticket as long as you are looking outside the "big acts".
It's true that, I've seen a few decent bands at Holmfirth recently. I'm only guessing here, but a lot of these big act events are days out and weekends away as much as anything. And people want to see the 'show' and the music to sound exactly like it does at home which no doubt all costs a huge amount to create. And look spectacular when it's filmed on a smartphone.

I'm not having a pop at these shows, I've been to a couple of these myself, they even made Ian Brown sound alright at the Etihad, which has got to be worth £60! I'm no music aficionado at all, but for me I think I prefer the sound of a live band in a small venue. I'm too tone deaf to pick up any duff notes anyway.

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Re: Concert ticket pricing

Post by LeadBelly » Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:04 am

Goddy » Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:50 am

Leon Bridges last night at Rock City (Nottingham) - £23 (inc hated booking and delivery fees)
George Ezra - Rock City again - £29
Glad to see Rock City still going. I lived/worked in Nottingham 1978-83 and I remember that place opening sometime in the middle of that spell. I went there a fair few times; gigs I can specifically remember are BB King, Echo & The Bunnymen and Rory Gallagher. Probably paid the real equivalent of c £20 back then too.
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Post by Goddy » Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:52 am

LeadBelly wrote:Glad to see Rock City still going. I lived/worked in Nottingham 1978-83 and I remember that place opening sometime in the middle of that spell. I went there a fair few times; gigs I can specifically remember are BB King, Echo & The Bunnymen and Rory Gallagher. Probably paid the real equivalent of c £20 back then too.
Not my fave venue but get there early and stand right behind the mixing desk and it's a great spec with the best sound (obvs) in the building.

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Re: Concert ticket pricing

Post by scouseclaret » Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:14 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:If folk will pay it why wouldn't promoters charge that much?

It does sometimes backfire and you see tickets being flogged cheap on Groupon and the like.

I'm genuinely amazed at the demand for some of these acts though. Steps sold out arenas recently; surely liking Steps when you were young is something you try and hide.
Not as bad as still liking Steps when you're not young!

These groups are just cashing in on a nostalgia boom - nice work if you can get it.

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Post by JTClaret » Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:30 pm

Prices have sky-rocketed in the last 10 years, but then again it's much easier to get tickets online (ticketmaster etc.) meaning more people look to buy them. I tend to try and find new bands and get tickets for £10-20 and I have to REALLY like them to pay the prices asked nowadays.

On the other hand it gives a great argument to the 'football is pathetic, why do you pay to go and watch some blokes kick a football and get paid a fortune'... 'Same reason you pay a fortune to watch someone sing, talent and entertainment'

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Post by Herts Clarets » Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:51 pm

I am seeing Wayward Sons in Bedford next month for the princely sum of £11. The lead singer, Toby Jepson, is the former lead singer of Little Angels who I have seen more times than any other band until they called it a day. Second time this year to see the Sons, first time at a 250 capacity venue in Islington. They are all quality musicians, Jepson a very good front man with a cracking voice and their debut album released last year received excellent reviews. Chuck in 2 or 3 old Angels numbers and it will be a great start to December.

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Re: Concert ticket pricing

Post by THEWELLERNUT70 » Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:53 pm

There's still plenty of cheap gigs out there. I suppose it's if you want to see a certain artist or if you just want to experience live music

Here's my list of recent and up coming gigs

Peter Hook £18
New Order £46
British Sea Power £18
Stone Foundation £15
The Lucid Dream £10
A Certain Ratio £19
John Bramwell (free) but £15
Slow Readers Club £22
Johnny Marr £32
Ist Ist £10
Blinders £8
Massive Attack £45

That's what will be keeping me busy over the next two or so months

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Re: Concert ticket pricing

Post by houseboy » Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:08 pm

There are various factors involved but generally artists now make more money from touring when years ago they often LOST money just to promote an album.
The first time I saw Pink Floyd was at Earls Court in about 74 and it cost me £7.50. Incidentally when they toured The Wall they lost money because the production was so huge. Ironically the only one who made money on the tour was Rick Wright who they had sacked previously but went on tour with them as a session keyboard player.

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Re: Concert ticket pricing

Post by Loyalclaret » Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:58 pm

Number of dance music nights have gone the same way. Mrs has booked us a night at WHP before New Year - £50! Not even the best known djs. I can understand £30 but £50-£70 is getting silly.

Glastonbury at £250 looks a snip 8-)

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Re: Concert ticket pricing

Post by TheOriginalLongsider » Wed Nov 14, 2018 1:50 pm

It's usually a lot cheaper to buy stadium tickets outside on the day. Just state how much you're prepared to pay and move on if they wont meet the price. Same goes for sports events (not football)

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Re: Concert ticket pricing

Post by Falcon » Wed Nov 14, 2018 2:41 pm

The worst thing is the additional charges that you get stung with to buy them online.

I just bought two tickets to see Muse at the Etihad in June.

Tickets were £69.50 each.
Then a 10% service charge of £6.95 on each one.
Then a handling charge of £2.25 on the order to boot.

So £155.15 paid in total, of which £16.15 is pure profit for Ticketmaster. ****.

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Re: Concert ticket pricing

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Wed Nov 14, 2018 2:49 pm

Falcon wrote:The worst thing is the additional charges that you get stung with to buy them online.

I just bought two tickets to see Muse at the Etihad in June.

Tickets were £69.50 each.
Then a 10% service charge of £6.95 on each one.
Then a handling charge of £2.25 on the order to boot.

So £155.15 paid in total, of which £16.15 is pure profit for Ticketmaster. ****.
Service charge for buying them yourself. On top of any commission they will receive from the artists.

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Re: Concert ticket pricing

Post by CarlesTheClaretPuyol » Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:19 pm

Stadium gigs are a complete rip off and have been for some time. Factor in the sound issues that adverse weather, or even a stadium not designed for music, can create means I simply won't bother. I haven't read the entire thread so apologies for any repetition but I imagine the venues rent and staffing costs are high, the production costs are high (they're shows, not gigs) , and the artists usually have a reason for extracting the maximum amount of money for the minimum number of performances.

Much better, in my humble opinion, to see up and coming bands in small independent venues - if you like them, buy a record or a T-shirt and more of the money goes to the band. Also the money you spend on the ticket and whilst you're there helps keep good venues going.

Edit - gigs I've been to this year (to illustrate the point that proper music exists at good prices) -

King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard - £16 Manchester Academy
KGATLW - £14 Hebden Bridge Trades Club
KGATLW - Amsterdam - 20 euro (yeah I know, I like them)
Thee Oh Sees - Manchester £30 with 4 other bands, Leeds £23 at the academy
Psychedelic Porn Crumpets - £8 at Gullivers, Manchester
Kikagaku Moyo - £15 at Gorilla, Manchester
Khruangbin - £16 at Albert Hall Manchester

Upcoming -
Uncle Acid and the Deadbeats £16 at Gorilla
Psychedelic Porn Crumpets - £12 at YES, Manchester

£170 approx for 10 gigs. How much was the Spice Girls again?
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Re: Concert ticket pricing

Post by Acting Claret » Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:20 pm

Just bought two tickets for The Specials at King George’s Hall box office. £42 each, paid cash, was charged £85.50. £1.50 transaction charge apparently. Not sure if that’s legal.

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