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Re: Magic Numbers 2019-20 ...

Post by Vince Fontaine » Sun Dec 22, 2019 9:38 pm

Matchday 18

W/E 21/22 December

Bournemouth 0-1 Burnley

Liverpool............-3.......89
Leicester............-6.......76
Man City.............-3.......75
Chelsea..............-3.......69
Sheffield Utd........-3......65
Wolves...............-3.......64
Tottenham..........-6.......63
Man Utd.............-6.......62
Newcastle...........-3......62
Burnley
Arsenal..............-5.......60
Palace...............-6.......60
Brighton.............-6.......57
Bournemouth.......-6.......56
Everton..............-5.......56
West Ham...........-3.......59
Southampton.......-3.......55
Villa..................-6......52
Norwich.............-6.......49
Watford..............-3......49

And they drop again

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Re: Magic Numbers 2019-20 ...

Post by Clarets4me » Sun Dec 29, 2019 4:43 pm

bump

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Re: Magic Numbers 2019-20 ...

Post by aggi » Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:10 pm

Links for the new page

Easy to view link is here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... ingle=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Link to the full spreadsheet is here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It also seems the Blackburn one I did a few seasons ago is still going if anyone is interested:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... ingle=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Magic Numbers 2019-20 ...

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Re: Magic Numbers 2019-20 ...

Post by Clarets4me » Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:55 pm

With away games at Newcastle, Norwich, West Ham, Palace and Southampton and home games against Bournemouth, Sheffield United, Watford, Wolves and Brighton, you'd like to think we'll be OK .... I wouldn't write off the chance of points in home games against Arsenal & Spurs either ...

Already safe, and beating Brighton on the last Sunday of the season to relegate them would be rather lovely .... !!

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Re: Magic Numbers 2019-20 ...

Post by Clarets4me » Wed Jan 22, 2020 1:10 pm

Bump ..... two interesting new columns in the stats, " Average league position of remaining opponents " & " Average league position of next 4 opponents " ..... West Ham have Leicester ( A ), tonight, after which they have Liverpool ( H ), Brighton ( H ), Man City ( A ), Liverpool ( A ) ....

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Re: Magic Numbers 2019-20 ...

Post by Goddy » Wed Jan 22, 2020 1:52 pm

Clarets4me wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 1:10 pm
Bump ..... two interesting new columns in the stats, " Average league position of remaining opponents " & " Average league position of next 4 opponents " ..... West Ham have Leicester ( A ), tonight, after which they have Liverpool ( H ), Brighton ( H ), Man City ( A ), Liverpool ( A ) ....
Those additional columns kind of prove my point on another thread about our chances of relegation. West Ham, Watford and Norwich have a very tough next 4 matches and Bournemouth have the toughest fixtures of anyone, as things currently stand, for the remainder of the season. Of those teams only West Ham (at the moment) are averaging over a point per game...and I dare say that mighgt change after the next few matches. I'd have thought that 38 points should be enough for safety with 40 points being nigh on a certainty to stay up.

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Re: Magic Numbers 2019-20 ...

Post by Vince Fontaine » Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:14 pm

Matchday 19

26/27 December

Everton 1-0 Burnley

Liverpool.....................89
Leicester..........-3.........73
Man City..........-3..........72
Chelsea...........-3.........67
Wolves........................64
Sheffield Utd.....-2.........63
Tottenham....................63
Man Utd.......................62
Arsenal........................60
Palace.........................60
Newcastle.....................59
Burnley
Everton........................56
Southampton.................55
Brighton.........-3............54
Bournemouth...-2............54
West Ham........-3...........56
Villa.............................52
Watford..........-2............47
Norwich .........-3............46

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Re: Magic Numbers 2019-20 ...

Post by Vince Fontaine » Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:38 pm

Matchday 20

W/E 28/29 December

Burnley 0-2 Man Utd

Liverpool.......................89
Leicester........................73
Man City........................72
Chelsea.........................67
Man Utd.........................62
Tottenham ...............-2....61
Wolves ....................-3....61
Sheffield Utd ............-3....60
Palace.....................-2....58
Arsenal....................-3....57
Everton..........................56
Newcastle.................-3....56
Brighton..................-3.....54
Burnley
Southampton.............-2....53
Bournemouth.............-3....51
West Ham.................-3....53
Villa.......................-3.....49
Watford..........................47
Norwich...................-2.....44

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Re: Magic Numbers 2019-20 ...

Post by evensteadiereddie » Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:42 pm

I always think that when we get to the ten games left stage, that's when this gets even more fascinating.

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Re: Magic Numbers 2019-20 ...

Post by Tricky Trevor » Fri Jan 24, 2020 5:12 pm

Today.
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We are now in a position where 9 points for us means the bottom 3 can’t lose 27 points or we are safe. Handy place to be at this stage. More than 9 for us, emminently doable, would really rattle them.

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Re: Magic Numbers 2019-20 ...

Post by Clarets4me » Sat Feb 01, 2020 9:45 pm

bump

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Re: Magic Numbers 2019-20 ...

Post by Tricky Trevor » Sun Feb 02, 2020 12:05 am

The latest form table shows nobody down the bottom end is putting a surge in.
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Re: Magic Numbers 2019-20 ...

Post by FactualFrank » Sun Feb 02, 2020 12:11 am

Tricky Trevor wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 12:05 am
The latest form table shows nobody down the bottom end is putting a surge in.
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Evening Trevor. So West Ham, Bournmouth, Norwich have them below us. And even then, they aren't the worst. It's more about Villa.

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Re: Magic Numbers 2019-20 ...

Post by Tricky Trevor » Sun Feb 02, 2020 8:07 am

FactualFrank wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 12:11 am
Evening Trevor. So West Ham, Bournmouth, Norwich have them below us. And even then, they aren't the worst. It's more about Villa.
I was more interested in the fact that even Chelsea, in 7th place, have only got 9 points from their last 6. There isn’t much movement Northwards going on which makes our current advantage invaluable. Also the more teams below you they are either taking points of each other or playing teams battling for Europe. There will still be shock results, there always are, but I’m more than happy with our position. A win today I’ll be ecstatic.
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Re: Magic Numbers 2019-20 ...

Post by Vince Fontaine » Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:54 pm

Matchday 21

1st January

Burnley 1-2 Villa

Liverpool ...............89
Leicester ...............73
Man City ................72
Chelsea ...........-2....65
Man Utd ..........-3....59
Tottenham .......-3....58
Wolves ............-3....58
Sheffield Utd .....-2...58
Palace .............-2....56
Arsenal ............-2....55
Everton ...........-3....53
Southampton ...........53
Newcastle ........-3....53
Brighton ..........-2....52
Burnley
West Ham ...............53
Villa ......................49
Bournemouth ....-3.....48
Watford ..................47
Norwich ..........-2.....42

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Re: Magic Numbers 2019-20 ...

Post by Vince Fontaine » Wed Feb 05, 2020 8:14 pm

Matchday 22

W/E 11/12 January

Chelsea 3-0 Burnley

Liverpool........................89
Man City.........................72
Leicester..............-3........70
Chelsea..........................65
Man Utd.........................59
Sheffield Utd...................58
Wolves................-2........56
Tottenham...........-3.........55
Palace................-2.........54
Arsenal...............-2.........53
Everton..........................53
Southampton...................53
Newcastle...........-2..........51
Brighton.............-3.........49
Burnley
West Ham...........-3..........50
Watford..........................47
Villa.................-3...........46
Bournemouth......-3...........45
Norwich............-3...........39

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Re: Magic Numbers 2019-20 ...

Post by Vince Fontaine » Wed Feb 05, 2020 8:26 pm

Matchday 22

W/E 18/19 January

Burnley 2-1 Leicester

Liverpool..............-3.......86
Man City...............-5.......67
Leicester..............-6........64
Chelsea................-6.......59
Man Utd...............-6.......53
Wolves................-3........53
Sheffield Utd.........-5.......53
Tottenham............-5.......50
Palace.................-5.......49
Arsenal................-5.......48
Everton...............-5........48
Newcastle............-3.......48
Southampton........-6........47
Burnley
Brighton..............-5........44
West Ham............-5........45
Watford..............-5........42
Villa...................-5.......41
Bournemouth........-6........39
Norwich..............-3........36

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Re: Magic Numbers 2019-20 ...

Post by Vince Fontaine » Wed Feb 05, 2020 8:38 pm

Matchday 24

Mid week 21/22/23 January

Man Utd 0-2 Burnley


Liverpool...............-3.......83
Man City................-3.......64
Leicester...............-3.......61
Chelsea.................-5.......54
Man Utd................-6.......47
Tottenham.............-3.......47
Wolves..................-6......47
Sheffield Utd..........-6.......47
Southampton..........-3.......44
Arsenal.................-5.......43
Palace..................-6.......43
Everton................-5........43
Burnley
Newcastle.............-5........43
Brighton...............-6........38
Villa....................-3........38
West Ham.............-6........39
Bournemouth.........-3.......36
Watford................-6.......36
Norwich...............-6........30

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Re: Magic Numbers 2019-20 ...

Post by Vince Fontaine » Wed Feb 05, 2020 9:05 pm

Matchday 25

W/E 1/2 February

Burnley 0-0 Arsenal

Liverpool............-1.......82
Man City.............-4.......60
Leicester............ -3.......58
Chelsea..............-3.......50
Tottenham..........-1...,...46
Sheffield Utd.......-1.......45
Man Utd.............-3.......44
Wolves..............-3........44
Everton..............-1.......42
Arsenal..............-3........40
Burnley
Newcastle..........-3........40
Southampton......-4........40
Palace...............-4........39
Brighton............-3.........35
Bournemouth.......-1........35
Villa..................-4........34
West Ham...........-3........33*
Watford.............-4........32
Norwich.......,,,,..-3........27

*West Ham -3 from getting beat by Liverpool mid week

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Re: Magic Numbers 2019-20 ...

Post by Vince Fontaine » Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:25 pm

After a run of matches, since the Villa match on New Years Day, where I for one thought we might not pick a point up. We affected every teams magic number by 7 except Leicester and Man Utd by 10 and Arsenal by 9.

The bottom teams took a bit of a bashing
Norwich .......-15
Watford .......-15
West Ham ....-20 (played 5)
Villa ...........-15
Bournemouth.-13
Brighton ......-17

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Re: Magic Numbers 2019-20 ...

Post by Tricky Trevor » Sat Feb 08, 2020 9:23 pm

After today.
Palace. -3...36
BHA. -2...33
Watford. -2...30

And now.
B’mouth. -3...32

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Re: Magic Numbers 2019-20 ...

Post by Tricky Trevor » Sat Feb 15, 2020 2:40 pm

And they all fall another 3, after that great win.
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Re: Magic Numbers 2019-20 ...

Post by Vince Fontaine » Wed Feb 19, 2020 9:08 pm

Matchday 26

Winter break
W/E 8/9 & 15/16

Southampton 1-2 Burnley

Liverpool..............-3......79
Man City...............-3......57
Leicester..............-5......53
Chelsea................-6.....44
Tottenham............-3......43
Sheffield Utd.........-3......42
Manchester Utd......-3......41
Wolves.................-5.....39
Everton................-3.....39
Arsenal.................-3.....37
Burnley
Southampton..........-6.....34
Newcastle.............-6.....34
Crystal Palace.........-6.....33
Brighton................-5.....30
Bournemouth..........-6.....29
Aston Villa.............-6.....28
West Ham..............-6.....27
Watford.................-5.....27
Norwich.................-6.....21

Falling again nicely

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Re: Magic Numbers 2019-20 ...

Post by Vince Fontaine » Wed Feb 19, 2020 9:11 pm

Last season after 26 matches.

Re: Magic Numbers 2018/2019
Post Sun Feb 10, 2019 2:22 pm

Match day 26
10/02/19

Palace ...............-4......37
Brighton .............-6......37
Burnley
Cardiff...............-3.......35
Newcastle ..........-3.......37 ...(still to play Wolves away)
Southampton .......-6......34
Fulham ..............-6......27
Huddersfield ........-6......21

They are getting there.
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Re: Magic Numbers 2019-20 ...

Post by Vince Fontaine » Wed Feb 19, 2020 9:13 pm

Season before last
When we qualified for Europe

Re: Magic Numbers 2017/2018
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After 26 matches

Watford.........31
West Ham ......28
Brighton ........28
Palace ..........28
Southampton ..27
Newcastle .....26
Swansea ........25
Stoke ...........25
Huddersfield ...25
West Brom.....21

Looks like it won’t be long now. If we can manage to win at Swansea we’ll have two teams under 20
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Re: Magic Numbers 2019-20 ...

Post by Vince Fontaine » Wed Feb 19, 2020 9:17 pm

Looking at the last two seasons ( above posts)
We are closer to the numbers of the season we qualified for Europe than last season. We were beaten 1-0 at Swansea.
Let’s see if we can be ahead after this weekend.

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Re: Magic Numbers 2019-20 ...

Post by mdd2 » Sat Feb 22, 2020 5:41 pm

Bump for some maths expert to do
After 27 games
Looks like
Southampton 31
Palace 30
N/C 28
Brighton 25
Bmouth 23
Villa 22
WHU 21
Watford 21
Norwich 15
If I have it that a win for us and a loss for another team is -6

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Re: Magic Numbers 2019-20 ...

Post by mdd2 » Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:01 pm

Not much longer hopefully to three zeros

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Re: Magic Numbers 2019-20 ...

Post by Vince Fontaine » Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:33 pm

Matchday 27

W/E 22/23 February

Burnley 3-0 Bournemouth


Liverpool..............-3.......76
Man City...............-3.......54
Leicester..............-6.......47
Chelsea...............-3........41
Man Utd..............-3........38
Tottenham...........-6........37
Sheffield Utd........-5........37
Wolves................-3.......36
Arsenal...............-3........34
Burnley
Everton..............-6........33
Southampton.......-3.........31
Palace...............-3.........30
Newcastle..........-6.........28
Brighton............-5.........25
Bournemouth.......-6........23
Villa..................-6........22
West Ham...........-6........21
Watford.............-6........21
Norwich.............-6........15

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Re: Magic Numbers 2019-20 ...

Post by Clarets4me » Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:25 pm

Bump ...

Aston Villa 21
Brighton 21
West Ham 20
Bournemouth 20
Watford 20
Norwich 14

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Re: Magic Numbers 2019-20 ...

Post by Tricky Trevor » Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:26 pm

Has anybody ever been relegated from 9th in March?

We are staying up, we are staying up.
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Re: Magic Numbers 2019-20 ...

Post by mdd2 » Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:19 pm

Norwich nosedived a few seasons ago but not sure where they were at game 28

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Re: Magic Numbers 2019-20 ...

Post by mdd2 » Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:49 pm

Norwich nosedived a few seasons ago but not sure where they were at game 28
1994-95 season they played 42 games and were relegated with 43pts after 28 games they had 35pts and got 8 from last 14 matches
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Re: Magic Numbers 2019-20 ...

Post by Tricky Trevor » Mon Mar 02, 2020 8:05 am

mdd2 wrote:
Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:49 pm
Norwich nosedived a few seasons ago but not sure where they were at game 28
1994-95 season they played 42 games and were relegated with 43pts after 28 games they had 35pts and got 8 from last 14 matches
An anomaly mdd2. It was the last season of 22 teams in PL. 4 were relegated after a 42 game season. It was the 43 points made me check I thought it was very high to go down.
Here’s the table the first week of March, they were 15th, just look at the bottom end or it will ruin your breakfast.
https://www.premierleague.com/matchweek/108/table

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Re: Magic Numbers 2019-20 ...

Post by Tricky Trevor » Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:08 pm

Bournemouth...17

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Re: Magic Numbers 2019-20 ...

Post by bfcmik » Sat Mar 07, 2020 4:18 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:08 pm
Bournemouth...17
Let's hope that is 14 by the end of the day :!:

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Re: Magic Numbers 2019-20 ...

Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:41 pm

Another bump. As we are playing again.

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Re: Magic Numbers 2019-20 ...

Post by Vince Fontaine » Wed Jun 17, 2020 8:21 pm

Matchday 28

W/E 29 Feb- 1 March

Newcastle 0-0 Burnley

Liverpool ......-4......72
Man City .......-1......53
Leicester ......-4......43
Chelsea ........-3......38
Man Utd ........-3.....35
Wolves ..........-1.....35
Tottenham .....-4.....33
Sheffield Utd ..-1.....36
Burnley
Arsenal ..........-1....33
Everton .........-3....30
Palace ...........-1....29
Southampton ...-4....27
Newcastle .......-3....25
Brighton .........-4....21
West Ham .......-1....20
Watford .........-1....20
Bournemouth ...-3...20
Villa ..............-1....21
Norwich .........-1....14

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Re: Magic Numbers 2019-20 ...

Post by Vince Fontaine » Wed Jun 17, 2020 8:36 pm

Matchday 29

W/E 07-08 March

Burnley 1-1 Tottenham

Liverpool ............-1.....71
Man City .............-4.....49
Leicester ............-1......42
Chelsea ..............-1.....37
Man Utd .............-1......34
Wolves ...............-3.....34
Sheffield Utd .......-1.....35
Tottenham ..........-3......30
Arsenal ..............-1......32
Burnley
Palace ...............-1......28
Everton .............-4......26
Newcastle ..........-1......24
Southampton .......-4......23
Brighton .............-3.....18
West Ham ...........-4.....16
Watford .............-4......16
Bournemouth .......-4.....16
Villa ..................-4.....17
Norwich .............-4......10

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Re: Magic Numbers 2019-20 ...

Post by bfcmik » Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:13 am

Midweek catchup games 17.June 2020

Villa 0-0 Sheff Utd
Man City 3-0 Arsenal

Liverpool ............0.....71
Man City ............+3.....49
Leicester ............0......42
Chelsea ...............0.....37
Man Utd .............0......34
Sheffield Utd .......-2.....33
Wolves ................0.....32
Tottenham ...........0......30
Arsenal ..............-3......29
Burnley
Palace ...............0......28
Everton ..............0......26
Newcastle ...........0......24
Southampton .......0......23
Brighton ..............0.....18
West Ham ............0.....16
Watford ..............0......16
Bournemouth ........0.....16
Villa ..................-2.....15
Norwich .............0......10

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Post by evensteadiereddie » Thu Jun 18, 2020 11:20 am

Excellent, thanks mik.

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Post by Vince Fontaine » Thu Jun 18, 2020 10:02 pm

Thank you mik

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Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:35 pm

Never realised that the magic numbers are live in play.
Norwich showing 8 and Saints 21.

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Post by bfcmik » Fri Jun 19, 2020 7:16 pm

huw.Y.WattfromWare wrote:
Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:35 pm
Never realised that the magic numbers are live in play.
Norwich showing 8 and Saints 21.
Norwich 7 now and Saints 23 again

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Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Sat Jun 20, 2020 9:23 pm

What a difference a day makes. 24 little hours. Someone should make a song out of that!!
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... ingle=true

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Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Sun Jun 21, 2020 6:16 pm

Well we haven’t kicked a ball yet and the bottom 5 have all dropped points.
Watford -2
WHU.....-3
B’mouth.-3
A.Villa...-5
Norwich.-3
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Post by mdd2 » Mon Jun 22, 2020 8:17 am

As WHU have to play Norwich Watford and Villa and Watford have to play Norwich the magic numbers will be less than posted for these 4 clubs
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Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:37 pm

Another 3 off WHU. Looks like it is down to these 6 now.
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Post by Paul Waine » Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:36 pm

huw.Y.WattfromWare wrote:
Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:37 pm
Another 3 off WHU. Looks like it is down to these 6 now.

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Brighton may have done enough to be safe with 33 points. Scrap between the bottom 5, with Norwich the first to confirm their relegation.

So long as Brentford or Fulham take 3rd spot in the promotion positions, I'll have the same number of "near by" games to get to next season, if and when they start to let fans back into the grounds.

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