Bentaleb

[GodIsADeeJay81]

That's pretty similar to what plenty of our players will be getting. It may be that it would be a lower basic but with higher bonuses but for a player with his record that's what most clubs would be offering anyway.

The only reason our players will take home a similar amount is if they hit performance related bonuses.

[DCWat]

Bonuses change each season due to final league position being in there along with staying up.

Yes - a bonus based on survival and then presumably; something along the lines of x % of the league placing money apportioned across the playing and management staff.

It’s the what does that equate to for our higher earners figure that I’m wondering if we have an estimate of.

I must admit, I was surprised to read that Shalke are paying anyone upwards of £80k.

[superdimitri]

"with bonuses"...

If you have a nosey around online, the general consensus is that Mee is our top earner on approx £55k a week basic, give or take a little.
He's our highest earning player, club captain etc.

To justify a higher wage for Bentaleb he'd need to have the same influence as a fit Defour as a minimum, with better fitness levels.

Its doable though, its well known we don't pay well, but instead have good bonusses. I'm certain Mee will get a big bonus for a clean sheet, and appearance bonuses too. Not to mention bonusses for avoiding relegation. I think that's how we managed to sign Defour.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Yes - a bonus based on survival and then presumably; something along the lines of x % of the league placing money apportioned across the playing and management staff.

It’s the what does that equate to for our higher earners figure that I’m wondering if we have an estimate of.

I must admit, I was surprised to read that Shalke are paying anyone upwards of £80k.

Aren't they the ones who've had half a dozen managers this season and just got relegated??

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Its doable though, its well known we don't pay well, but instead have good bonusses. I'm certain Mee will get a big bonus for a clean sheet, and appearance bonuses too. Not to mention bonusses for avoiding relegation. I think that's how we managed to sign Defour.

Oh it is doable if the player, and more importantly his agent, are reasonable.

Didn't we have bonuses of £7 million when we finished in 7th?

[TsarBomba]

Yes - a bonus based on survival and then presumably; something along the lines of x % of the league placing money apportioned across the playing and management staff.

It’s the what does that equate to for our higher earners figure that I’m wondering if we have an estimate of.

I must admit, I was surprised to read that Shalke are paying anyone upwards of £80k.

Schalke are huge. Fan base is world wide, and from what I remember, their members alone amount to over 150k.

But they are a basket case club in need of complete overhaul, which a relegation may bring them.

If they seriously got their act together, then they could and should easily rival Dortmund for the 2nd best team in Germany.

Wages of 80k for a club like Schalke shouldn’t be an issue, but it is because of their debt and calibre of player. Bentaleb is never an 80k a week player, and just highlights how financially irresponsible Schalke have been.

[randomclaret2]

His wage as from 1st July is nil.

[superdimitri]

Oh it is doable if the player, and more importantly his agent, are reasonable.

Didn't we have bonuses of £7 million when we finished in 7th?

It's hard to know the exact amount but my guess is there'll be a set bonus for avoiding the drop and another based on league position. Thats aside from the game by game performance bonuses like man of the match amongst others I mentioned in my last post.

Then there's appearance bonuses and sub bonuses..

The entire bonus thing I'm sure is just set up to avoid taxes. I don't think they have to pay as much on those as they do on wages.

[Rileybobs]

It's hard to know the exact amount but my guess is there'll be a set bonus for avoiding the drop and another based on league position. Thats aside from the game by game performance bonuses like man of the match amongst others I mentioned in my last post.

Then there's appearance bonuses and sub bonuses..

The entire bonus thing I'm sure is just set up to avoid taxes. I don't think they have to pay as much on those as they do on wages.

Bonuses do not get paid with any form of tax relief.

[superdimitri]

Bonuses do not get paid with any form of tax relief.

If the bonuses are paid into their account maybe, but not if they are invested. They find ways around it so they are taxed less on it than they are wages.

[Rileybobs]

If the bonuses are paid into their account maybe, but not if they are invested. They find ways around it so they are taxed less on it than they are wages.

I’m pretty certain that isn’t the case.

[Suratclaret]

If the bonuses are paid into their account maybe, but not if they are invested. They find ways around it so they are taxed less on it than they are wages.

Fairly recently, wasn't there some questions around image rights with money being paid into off shore accounts to avoid tax?

[Swizzlestick]

Don’t know loads about him but I remember his time at Newcastle and the stuff a lot of their fans were saying about him wouldn’t be suitable for a family audience.

[aggi]

Fairly recently, wasn't there some questions around image rights with money being paid into off shore accounts to avoid tax?

Image rights are considerably different from bonuses (although some image rights may be bonus based, it's justifiable that your image rights are worth more if you win the champions league for example).

Bonuses are treated no differently than salary for tax purposes, regardless of whether they're "invested".

Image rights are a different matter. They're often paid to a company but there must be a basis for how much is being paid as image rights. It's a topic of interest for HMRC who are doing a number of investigations where the image rights element has been largely overvalued.

[superdimitri]

Bonuses are treated no differently than salary for tax purposes, regardless of whether they're "invested".

Pretty sure it's possible to be paid bonuses as investments themselves. Also you can put my money from bonuses away into pensions to avoid paying more tax. Also possible to invest a certain amount without paying tax. Together with non-cash bonuses, they find a way.

Why do you think footballers get investigated by the authorities?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thegua ... in-2019-20

Messi and his father would be serving time for it if they weren't high profile.

[Chester Perry]

Messi and his father would be serving time for it if they weren't high profile.

And the profitability to the government of receiving large fines for a white collar crime that many would consider victimless, it is a virtuous circle in the sense that Messi gets to keep earning vast sums for himself and his club which the government get to tax, with a few loopholes closed going forward and they do not the hassle of the fall out from Barca fans

[aggi]

Pretty sure it's possible to be paid bonuses as investments themselves. Also you can put my money from bonuses away into pensions to avoid paying more tax. Also possible to invest a certain amount without paying tax. Together with non-cash bonuses, they find a way.

Why do you think footballers get investigated by the authorities?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thegua ... in-2019-20

Messi and his father would be serving time for it if they weren't high profile.

None of those things are unique to bonuses rather than salaries though.