Re: BFC TRANSFER NEWS SUMMER 2020(MUST CONTAIN LINK)
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You have to understand. Brighton fans have big dreams. You only need to read their comments on the Argus site. They're actually focusing on top four and beyond based on their win at the weekend.boatshed bill wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:18 pmI have to say it's a bit sad if we're picking up Brighton's chuck-outs.
A couple of seasons back it wouldn't have happened.
i've always thought we are much better than them. But they have money!
And Heaton from a relegated club - he can't be good if he was in goal when they went down!...Claretmatt4 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:40 pmSame deal with Westwood when we got him from villa 'why are we signing their cast offs?' you could argue the same with Cork...
Solid signing, cheap and a good fit for the squad. Great work.
I was about to give your post a "like" .... until I read your last 5 words.Jakubs Tash wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:05 pmKeeping Tarkowski, signing Stephens and Dawson and then adding a wide player or two would be great business. If we have to buy a couple of slightly older/cheaper players to get through the next 12 months then so be it. At least they are first XI ready. The main thing is that we retain our Premier League status through this uncertain period. Maybe the rebuild will just have to wait until next year.....perhaps with a different manager.
Westwood was 27 when we signed him, Stephens is 32 (I think) big difference.Claretmatt4 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:40 pmSame deal with Westwood when we got him from villa 'why are we signing their cast offs?' you could argue the same with Cork...
Solid signing, cheap and a good fit for the squad. Great work.
Haha!Paul Waine wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:11 pmI was about to give your post a "like" .... until I read your last 5 words.
I believe foundations for the rebuild are already being laid in the U23.
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We signed Westwood 3 and a half years ago. 3 and a half years later he's still younger than Stephens is now.Claretmatt4 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:40 pmSame deal with Westwood when we got him from villa 'why are we signing their cast offs?' you could argue the same with Cork...
Solid signing, cheap and a good fit for the squad. Great work.
They throwing in Lanzini or Antonio?FactualFrank wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:24 pmNow reading the Tarky to West Ham deal is not yet dead and Burnley are mulling over a £35m offer.
I just wonder, what would be the point in picking him for the cup game tomorrow, if that was in anyway true?
I think he might be gone mid season depending which jobs become available.Jakubs Tash wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:19 pmHaha!
I think that the damage has been done and no matter how much we 'back' Dyche now he won't be our manager next season. Of course, I could be wrong - that's just my opinion. I'm a huge Sean Dyche fan and don't want him to go but it doesn't look too promising and when the inevitable posts become available I think he will leave.
Only if you are basing everything on age. Signing a 31 year old on a 3 year deal and them walking away for free at the end of their contract is not a whole lot different than signing a 24 year old on a 4 year deal and them walking away for free. I think people are obsessing a little too much about age.Mattster wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:28 pmWe signed Westwood 3 and a half years ago. 3 and a half years later he's still younger than Stephens is now.
We signed Cork 3 years ago. He's days older than Stephens.
Since signing them we've finished 7th and 10th, we should be progressing. This is going backwards on where we were when we signed Westy and Cork.
We should accept £45m and no less due to the sell on clauseFactualFrank wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:24 pmNow reading the Tarky to West Ham deal is not yet dead and Burnley are mulling over a £35m offer.
I just wonder, what would be the point in picking him for the cup game tomorrow, if that was in anyway true?
Well if he starts vs Millwall, then surely that says we aren't mulling over an offer for him.Giftonsnoidea wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:33 pmWe should accept £45m and no less due to the sell on clause
How rigid is the manager?Right_winger wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:30 pm....and a manager who isn’t so rigid, and able to rebuild our old ageing squad.
I'll have to try that line when I buy my mince Not suggesting I call Asda and say 'Well Harry Maguire is worth £80 million so your Mince.....actually I'll give it a go!Giftonsnoidea wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:38 pmHarry Mcguire is shite and worth £80m, Tarks still must be near £40m even with COVID discount
No it's not that much different if you let them walk away for nothing but I think you're missing the point of considering resale value when signing a player.Rileybobs wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:33 pmOnly if you are basing everything on age. Signing a 31 year old on a 3 year deal and them walking away for free at the end of their contract is not a whole lot different than signing a 24 year old on a 4 year deal and them walking away for free. I think people are obsessing a little too much about age.
Not really our team and squad is too old now never mind with another 30 somethingRileybobs wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:33 pmOnly if you are basing everything on age. Signing a 31 year old on a 3 year deal and them walking away for free at the end of their contract is not a whole lot different than signing a 24 year old on a 4 year deal and them walking away for free. I think people are obsessing a little too much about age.
I’d say he’s pretty rigid.huw.Y.WattfromWare wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:37 pmHow rigid is the manager?
He only advises the board which players he’d like to keep and which he’d like to sign. If they don't take his advise he is managing with his hands tied.
He has made it crystal clear he wants to continue building the team, nothing rigid about that.
Oh I dunno think the sports journo of the Burnley Express. Could be getting his name wrong. Granville Shackleton had a go at Teasdale at least once back in the day.
Completely agree with all of thisNickBFC wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:00 pmNothing against Stephens, and it'll fill a gap in the squad but that's all it would be - another stop gap. It just pushes the issue another 12 months down the line. At some point we have to reduce the age of the squad - too many are approaching their twilight years with no resale value. It's a dangerous game to play particularly when we clearly need to buy players with big potential sell on fees. IF it means we can spend much needed funds on a wide player then so be it, not convinced we will though.
well maybe that's what Garlick is thinking, maybe he is looking to sell up and thinking why bother spending ? Just conjecture obviouslyNickBFC wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:00 pmNothing against Stephens, and it'll fill a gap in the squad but that's all it would be - another stop gap. It just pushes the issue another 12 months down the line. At some point we have to reduce the age of the squad - too many are approaching their twilight years with no resale value. It's a dangerous game to play particularly when we clearly need to buy players with big potential sell on fees. IF it means we can spend much needed funds on a wide player then so be it, not convinced we will though.
We don’t need to get a fee for a player we sign for £750k though. We could have done with one on the £10m+ we paid for Hendrick though. Stephens is 2.5 years older than Jeff, as a like for like squad replacement his age is fairly irrelevant.Mattster wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:49 pmNo it's not that much different if you let them walk away for nothing but I think you're missing the point of considering resale value when signing a player.
Who do you think has the best chance of getting a fee with one year left on their deal in your scenarios? The 33 year old or the 27 year old?
And that's without factoring in which player is in their prime years and which is past them.
Signings like this are very much backwards steps from the ones we were making 3 seasons ago, despite all the progress we've made. They also put us in a position where we'll be in the same position for the foreseeable future as these depreciating assets drain the finances for years. You have to work really hard to see it any other way.
Getting fringe players on massive wages off the wage bill in Lennon, Hart amd Gibson was such an opportunity. Why are we just going all in on putting ourselves back in that mire? It's pathetic.
The problem is, if our younger players start to play really well in the Prem they will ultimately leave anyway - Pope, Taylor, McNeil etc.NickBFC wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:00 pmNothing against Stephens, and it'll fill a gap in the squad but that's all it would be - another stop gap. It just pushes the issue another 12 months down the line. At some point we have to reduce the age of the squad - too many are approaching their twilight years with no resale value. It's a dangerous game to play particularly when we clearly need to buy players with big potential sell on fees. IF it means we can spend much needed funds on a wide player then so be it, not convinced we will though.
Nothing wrong with that if we have other young players coming through, actually that would be as good as it gets.
Stephens has proven he is good enough to walk into our starting eleven? He's not good enough to walk into Brighton's starting eleven and we finish above them every single season.Rileybobs wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:07 pmWe don’t need to get a fee for a player we sign for £750k though. We could have done with one on the £10m+ we paid for Hendrick though. Stephens is 2.5 years older than Jeff, as a like for like squad replacement his age is fairly irrelevant.
I would like us to sign more younger players, but the fact of the matter is that the young players that are in our price bracket probably won’t be good enough to walk into the starting eleven - whereas Stephens has proven that he is.
Amusingly, a number of the people wanting us to sign younger players are up in arms about a 22 year old starting in our defence.
Just to clarify. You don't think it's a good signing?Mattster wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:21 pmStephens has proven he is good enough to walk into our starting eleven? He's not good enough to walk into Brighton's starting eleven and we finish above them every single season.
He's not a signing for the starting eleven, if he was it'd frankly be even more pathetic, he's for depth. Unfortunately he's depth that will decline physically and technically whilst simultaneously stopping us signing someone who may actually develop to be good enough to start in the future by draining large wages for 2 to 3 years until he walks away for nothing and we are back at square one (minus his wages).
We should be looking at signings like Tarkowski, Westwood, Taylor and Brownhill. Players that weren't good enough to start but could do a job when needed and had time to settle in, develop into players that can start week in week out and would demand good fees if we sold them.
Stephens is another Lennon, Hart type signing. We plead poverty then throw money away like this - self fulfilling prophecy.
That's my point though - Keane signed for £3m odd, sold for £30, Tarkowski signed for £3m, might be sold for £35m+, Pope, McNeil - all will bring in significant funds. We're a selling club, I have no problem with it if the money is reinvested in the squad. The problem with the last couple of years is we seem to have moved from promising players and blooding them in slowly to come in when someone is sold, to signing experienced pros who short term offer us something, but long term offer no resale value. The transfer market seems to move on every window so each time we bring in a Stephens etc it's making things even harder next year. We have to find a way to sign younger players or it'll bite us in the backside eventually.
Well written article which sums up a lot of how some of us are feeling right now.
How's that a problem?
I phrased that wrongly. I meant to put he is good enough to ‘step’ into our starting eleven. My error. I didn’t mean to insinuate that he would dislodge any of our three midfielders. He’s proven that he’s a capable player at this level that’s all.Mattster wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:21 pmStephens has proven he is good enough to walk into our starting eleven? He's not good enough to walk into Brighton's starting eleven and we finish above them every single season.
He's not a signing for the starting eleven, if he was it'd frankly be even more pathetic, he's for depth. Unfortunately he's depth that will decline physically and technically whilst simultaneously stopping us signing someone who may actually develop to be good enough to start in the future by draining large wages for 2 to 3 years until he walks away for nothing and we are back at square one (minus his wages).
We should be looking at signings like Tarkowski, Westwood, Taylor and Brownhill. Players that weren't good enough to start but could do a job when needed and had time to settle in, develop into players that can start week in week out and would demand good fees if we sold them.
Stephens is another Lennon, Hart type signing. We plead poverty then throw money away like this - self fulfilling prophecy.
This.Giftonsnoidea wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:38 pmHarry Mcguire is shite and worth £80m, Tarks still must be near £40m even with COVID discount
Isn't this what the Academy is for?NickBFC wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:26 pmThat's my point though - Keane signed for £3m odd, sold for £30, Tarkowski signed for £3m, might be sold for £35m+, Pope, McNeil - all will bring in significant funds. We're a selling club, I have no problem with it if the money is reinvested in the squad. The problem with the last couple of years is we seem to have moved from promising players and blooding them in slowly to come in when someone is sold, to signing experienced pros who short term offer us something, but long term offer no resale value. The transfer market seems to move on every window so each time we bring in a Stephens etc it's making things even harder next year. We have to find a way to sign younger players or it'll bite us in the backside eventually.
"So I ask, again, please Mr Chairman, with two weeks and two games remaining before the transfer window closes, give this remarkable motivator and organiser of men the basic tools to continue the quite brilliant job he continues to perform."