Last night of the Proms

[AndrewJB]

They have humour on the BBC?????? Long time since I recall anything to laugh at on there! £157 a year and it's utter shite...and don't get me going on how biased and scaremongering the news is.

Biased and scare mongering news - front pages of the Sun, Express, Mail..,.

[Damo]

The Spectator is fighting back

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the ... ssion=true

[Devils_Advocate]

The Spectator is fighting back

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the ... ssion=true

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YYmfM2TfUA

[Damo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YYmfM2TfUA

"Yo J.K, I did it!"

[aggi]

Yep, you've got to be careful when a noisy minority start complaining about everything and trying to shut things they don't agree with down.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-54188788

Fortunately OFCOM was sensible enough in this response. Although there are still a few snowflakes who just can't let go https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-54277992

On a separate note, I noticed that the Blair Partnership has employed Dana International as an agent recently which is interesting timing.

[AndrewJB]

The Spectator is fighting back

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the ... ssion=true

https://stopfundinghate.info/

Stop Funding Hate is a worthy campaign.

[Damo]

https://stopfundinghate.info/

Stop Funding Hate is a worthy campaign.

As is people refusing to fund companies that restrict freedom of expression.

[dsr]

https://stopfundinghate.info/

Stop Funding Hate is a worthy campaign.

I suppose it's another step towards your definition of a free press. The press will never be truly free until it has to print only that news which it is told to by the government. You can't have a free press when the press can print what it likes.

That's about it, isn't it?

[martin_p]

I suppose it's another step towards your definition of a free press. The press will never be truly free until it has to print only that news which it is told to by the government. You can't have a free press when the press can print what it likes.

That's about it, isn't it?

The press can print what it likes, subject to the libel law. In the same way companies can advertise with who they like and invest with who they like. Each free to do, and not do, whatever they want.

[Damo]

The press can print what it likes, subject to the libel law. In the same way companies can advertise with who they like and invest with who they like. Each free to do, and not do, whatever they want.

Thats not stop funding hate is about though is it?

[martin_p]

Thats not stop funding hate is about though is it?

Are they asking for the funding of organisations they think spread hate to be made illegal?

[aggi]

I suppose it's another step towards your definition of a free press. The press will never be truly free until it has to print only that news which it is told to by the government. You can't have a free press when the press can print what it likes.

That's about it, isn't it?

Arguably any press that is dependent to that level on advertisers that they can potentially influence editorial content aren't free either.

It's a bit of a dilemma.

[Damo]

Are they asking for the funding of organisations they think spread hate to be made illegal?

No, they are pressurising companies into making decisions they wouldn't want to make.

[martin_p]

No, they are pressurising companies into making decisions they wouldn't want to make.

Yes, they’re a pressure group. There’s thousands of them trying to influence decisions all over the place. Are you against all pressure groups or just the ones you don’t agree with.

[Damo]

Yes, they’re a pressure group. There’s thousands of them trying to influence decisions all over the place. Are you against all pressure groups or just the ones you don’t agree with.

I'm against anything that stifles free speech pal.

[martin_p]

I'm against anything that stifles free speech pal.

How can that be, you want to stifle Stop Funding Hates freedom of speech.

[Damo]

How can that be, you want to stifle Stop Funding Hates freedom of speech.

No, I don't. I want them to say whatever it is they have to say, and politely ignore them
I'd prefer it if the targets of their pressure did the same, and thankfully it seems they are starting to

[martin_p]

No, I don't. I want them to say whatever it is they have to say, and politely ignore them
I'd prefer it if the targets of their pressure did the same, and thankfully it seems they are starting to

Well it’s up to the company in question whether they listen or not, but they have the freedom to ignore them if they want. So who’s freedom of speech is being stifled then?

[Damo]

Well it’s up to the company in question whether they listen or not, but they have the freedom to ignore them if they want. So who’s freedom of speech is being stifled then?

The publications that stop funding hate, want other people to stop funding

[martin_p]

The publications that stop funding hate, want other people to stop funding

But they’re free to say what they want and their advertisers are free to decide whether they want to advertise with them or not.

What you want is consequence free ‘free speech’, but the very nature of free speech and freedom is general is that people or organisations are free to react to what you’ve said in any way they wish. You can’t have one without the other!

[RingoMcCartney]

Yes, they’re a pressure group. There’s thousands of them trying to influence decisions all over the place. Are you against all pressure groups or just the ones you don’t agree with.

Would that be in the very same way that stop funding "hate", aren't against all publications, just the ones they don’t agree with?

[Damo]

But they’re free to say what they want and their advertisers are free to decide whether they want to advertise with them or not.

What you want is consequence free ‘free speech’, but the very nature of free speech and freedom is general is that people or organisations are free to react to what you’ve said in any way they wish. You can’t have one without the other!

I consider myself to be pretty Libertarian pal, and (I could be judging you completely wrong here, so please don't take offence) you come across as being a bit of a communist, so I appreciate our description of freedom will differ slightly. But I don't consider any decision taken by somebody because a person or people pressured them into doing so, to be a free one

[RingoMcCartney]

The left -

Claim to LOVE diversity.

Silence diversity of opinion...
.

[martin_p]

Would that be in the very same way that stop funding "hate", aren't against all publications, just the ones they don’t agree with?

Well the clue’s in their name I think!

[aggi]

The left -

Claim to LOVE diversity.

Silence diversity of opinion...
.

Strangely apt https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-54188788

[martin_p]

I consider myself to be pretty Libertarian pal, and (I could be judging you completely wrong here, so please don't take offence) you come across as being a bit of a communist, so I appreciate our description of freedom will differ slightly. But I don't consider any decision taken by somebody because a person or people pressured them into doing so, to be a free one

So you are against pressure groups then!

So, for example, you’re against MigrationWatch U.K., the Taxpayers Alliance, Oxfam, Amnesty International, Vote Leave, Christian Aid and CND who are all listed as U.K. pressure groups.

Putting pressure on an organisation to do something is an established method of achieving your aims. Now it’s up to you whether you agree with those aims or not (and I certainly don’t agree with all the examples I listed above) but to claim that attempting to influence an organisation to do something is ‘stifling freedom of speech’ means you think every pressure group is doing the same.

FYI - I’m not a communist.

[Damo]

Strangely apt https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-54188788

Thats pretty good to be fair

[Damo]

So you are against pressure groups then!

So, for example, you’re against MigrationWatch U.K., the Taxpayers Alliance, Oxfam, Amnesty International, Vote Leave, Christian Aid and CND who are all listed as U.K. pressure groups.

Putting pressure on an organisation to do something is an established method of achieving your aims. Now it’s up to you whether you agree with those aims or not (and I certainly don’t agree with all the examples I listed above) but to claim that attempting to influence an organisation to do something is ‘stifling freedom of speech’ means you think every pressure group is doing the same.

FYI - I’m not a communist.

No pal. I'm not against all pressure groups. Just the ones who want to stifle freedom of speech.
I'm happy, for example, for a pressure group to lobby a government to stop genocidal acts, or to stop torturing people etc.
I'm not a fan of pressure groups who just exist to prevent someone expressing an opinion, to stop them saying something some people don't want to hear or to shut down debate or whatever.
I tend to take each pressure group on merit I suppose.
So thats a no for your question about having an issue with pressure groups that I like

[RingoMcCartney]

Well the clue’s in their name I think!

It comes as no surprise , what so ever , that you wont answer the question I asked

"Would that be in the very same way that stop funding "hate", aren't against all publications, just the ones they don’t agree with?"

They appear to have a very specific definition of "hate" , and a selective definition of those who they target, dont they!?

Its publications that dont share their opinion.

It's what the left are good at. Winning democratic elections, not so good!

[RingoMcCartney]

Strangely apt https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-54188788

If you believe that the tide hasn't turned , and the majority of people haven't seen BLM for the Marxist terrorist organisation for what it is. Then you're even more of a metropolitan bubble dweller than I ever thought you were!

[RingoMcCartney]

Have a great weekend Ringophiles

[Devils_Advocate]

Plenty of anti cancel culture hypocrites on the right encouraging cancelling the National Trust.

Personally I think there's far more damaging and dangerous things to worry about such as how much influence the super rich have on the press and our politics that absolutely dwarfs the effects of this so called 'cancel culture'

Still the bootlickers cant upset their masters so this is the social media nonsense they will have to settle for to express their rage and self righteousness

[aggi]

If you believe that the tide hasn't turned , and the majority of people haven't seen BLM for the Marxist terrorist organisation for what it is. Then you're even more of a metropolitan bubble dweller than I ever thought you were!

Marxist terrorists, clearly some leftover words now Corbyn isn't in the news.

I hope you've let our football club know about the Marxist terrorists that they're supporting.

[Bordeauxclaret]

Does this that by default Ringsy, in his own words, is supporting Marxist terrorists by supporting Burnley?

[AndrewJB]

I suppose it's another step towards your definition of a free press. The press will never be truly free until it has to print only that news which it is told to by the government. You can't have a free press when the press can print what it likes.

That's about it, isn't it?

When have I ever advocated that? Disagree with me by all means, but why attribute to me a position that I don’t hold?

You can’t have a free press when billionaire owners interfere in editorial decisions, and have news reported in ways that support their agendas - is what I’ve said before.

[AndrewJB]

If you believe that the tide hasn't turned , and the majority of people haven't seen BLM for the Marxist terrorist organisation for what it is. Then you're even more of a metropolitan bubble dweller than I ever thought you were!

Are you somehow directly wired into the public consciousness up in Burnley, while I munch my quinoa in London, surrounded only by ethnic Marxists?

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Plenty of anti cancel culture hypocrites on the right encouraging cancelling the National Trust.

Personally I think there's far more damaging and dangerous things to worry about such as how much influence the super rich have on the press and our politics that absolutely dwarfs the effects of this so called 'cancel culture'

Still the bootlickers cant upset their masters so this is the social media nonsense they will have to settle for to express their rage and self righteousness

Would that be the National trust that's openly acknowledging that approx 90 properties in their portfolio have historical links to the slave trade/colonialism ?

It won't be the right demanding they do anything about them and you know that already.

[Devils_Advocate]

Would that be the National trust that's openly acknowledging that approx 90 properties in their portfolio have historical links to the slave trade/colonialism ?

It won't be the right demanding they do anything about them and you know that already.

The right are pushing for people to cancel their membership to the NT because they are not happy with how the NT choose to describe the history links to their sites

I couldnt care less if these people want to try and cancel the NT (though I find it funny that these people are usually huge critics of cancel culture) cos as I said there's much more important stuff to worry about than these stupid social media culture wars

[GodIsADeeJay81]

The right are pushing for people to cancel their membership to the NT because they are not happy with how the NT choose to describe the history links to their sites

I couldnt care less if these people want to try and cancel the NT (though I find it funny that these people are usually huge critics of cancel culture) cos as I said there's much more important stuff to worry about than these stupid social media culture wars

The BLM/lefties will push far far harder if they get the sudden urge or they're bored.

[AndrewJB]

Would that be the National trust that's openly acknowledging that approx 90 properties in their portfolio have historical links to the slave trade/colonialism ?

It won't be the right demanding they do anything about them and you know that already.

Left wingers ripping up their memberships like this one?
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/13398 ... atest-news

Or this one? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... avery.html

Or these people?
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-styl ... 85026.html

[Devils_Advocate]

The BLM/lefties will push far far harder if they get the sudden urge or they're bored.

My point is that its all a load of boll*cks from both sides and my real example adds some balance that you proclaim to love and defend. Maybe balance only works one way in your world

[GodIsADeeJay81]

My point is that its all a load of boll*cks from both sides and my real example adds some balance that you proclaim to love and defend. Maybe balance only works one way in your world

It is utter ******** from both sides, but the left tend to be the worst for it

[Devils_Advocate]

It is utter ******** from both sides, but the left tend to be the worst for it

Probably but then the right hold all the power and wealth that means they get to set the rules and narrative and weight things in their favour

As Ive said this cancel culture obsession is small fry nonsense when it comes to what really poses a threat to our freedom and way of life so you can join the back of the queue to get upset about those nasty lefties as I couldnt give a rats arse on how you choose to waste your own time and energy

[aggi]

I think it's only classed as cancel culture if it's done by the left. If it's the right then it's the silent majority's will.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Probably but then the right hold all the power and wealth that means they get to set the rules and narrative and weight things in their favour

As Ive said this cancel culture obsession is small fry nonsense when it comes to what really poses a threat to our freedom and way of life so you can join the back of the queue to get upset about those nasty lefties as I couldnt give a rats arse on how you choose to waste your own time and energy

Left and right seem to like trying to out do each other, some of them need to spend more time watching adult videos online to relieve their stress.

[Devils_Advocate]

Left and right seem to like trying to out do each other, some of them need to spend more time watching adult videos online to relieve their stress.

Well do let us all know if you find any good ones

[Damo]

The "billionaires own all the newspapers" nonsense falls down as soon as you start asking who owns the guardian though (and don't even mention how it was established in the first place. Will be the last we hear from all the people who hate anyone who has the same coloured skin as anyone who traded slaves hundreds of years ago) the difference is, the Guardian is going to be cancelled by people who can't be bothered to finance its nonsense, as opposed to people who want the more successful publications cancelled because they feel ashamed about buying and being annoyed by it, then pretending they have read it in the works canteen

[dsr]

... Will be the last we hear from all the people who hate anyone who has the same coloured skin as anyone who traded slaves hundreds of years ago) ...

Everybody has the same coloured skin as people who traded slaves hundreds of years ago. (OK, maybe not David Dickinson.)

[Spiral]

Not sure how a thread about a gay night out at some poo concert got onto the subject of free speech, but GENOCIDE IS JUST FREE SPEECH WITH MY HANDS! STOP SUPPRESSING MY FREE SPEECH!!!

[AndrewJB]

The "billionaires own all the newspapers" nonsense falls down as soon as you start asking who owns the guardian though (and don't even mention how it was established in the first place. Will be the last we hear from all the people who hate anyone who has the same coloured skin as anyone who traded slaves hundreds of years ago) the difference is, the Guardian is going to be cancelled by people who can't be bothered to finance its nonsense, as opposed to people who want the more successful publications cancelled because they feel ashamed about buying and being annoyed by it, then pretending they have read it in the works canteen

I’ve never said billionaires own all the press. The owner of the Daily Mail isn’t a billionaire, but a few hundred million short.

The Guardian is probably our best national paper. Honest, forthright, and not plagued by the scandals exposed by Leveson. Not to your liking from a political persuasion, but you can’t have everything. And we’re they slavers? Bring it out into the open, I say. All of it.