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Tark - transfer

Post by bfccrazy » Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:37 am

Just heard a rumour that he’s put in a transfer request?

Anything else been mentioned about this anywhere as it’s the first I’ve heard of it and it was a bit of a surprise.

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by Quickenthetempo » Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:12 pm

Sad news if true. The one player we can't afford to lose.

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by FactualFrank » Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:21 pm

Not sure why he would do that with a release clause already in his contract.

And wouldn't there need to be heavy interest to do it?

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by jedi_master » Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:43 pm

Would be an absolute disaster for us so I really hope not.

He did it to Brentford though...

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by HahaYeah » Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:43 pm

Probably just a rumour started by an attention seeker. :roll:

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by FactualFrank » Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:46 pm

HahaYeah wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:43 pm
Probably just a rumour started by an attention seeker. :roll:
It doesn't really sound believable as you would have expected massive interest prior to this happening. Like Leicester really pushing for a bid. And can you submit a transfer request, when you have £50 million in your contract?

Burnley turn around and say, "Fair enough, but you aint leaving for less than the 50" - so it kind of goes against itself.
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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by warksclaret » Thu Sep 03, 2020 1:27 pm

May not be in the England squad, however he is a collosus for us, just like Van Dyke is for Liverpool. The very last player I would want to leave, and that includes two exceptional other players in our team
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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by tiger76 » Thu Sep 03, 2020 1:38 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:46 pm
It doesn't really sound believable as you would have expected massive interest prior to this happening. Like Leicester really pushing for a bid. And can you submit a transfer request, when you have £50 million in your contract?

Burnley turn around and say, "Fair enough, but you aint leaving for less than the 50" - so it kind of goes against itself.
IF Tarks has handed in a transfer request, you can only assume that he or more likely his agent have been given the nod that Leicester are genuinely interested, they may well be, but unless they or anyone else can match his release clause, he won't be going anywhere.
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Post by RingoMcCartney » Thu Sep 03, 2020 1:46 pm

Hope not.

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by Spike » Thu Sep 03, 2020 1:52 pm

bfccrazy wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:37 am
Just heard a rumour that he’s put in a transfer request?

Anything else been mentioned about this anywhere as it’s the first I’ve heard of it and it was a bit of a surprise.
What is the source of this rumour ?

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Post by Gordaleman » Thu Sep 03, 2020 1:53 pm

If we start believing rumours that are not substantiated, we really are getting desperate for something to talk about. It's bad enough that players are linked with every team under the sun by the gutter press, let's not go down the unsubstantiated rumour route.

There is a month left before the window closes, so why don't we give the club a chance to buy and sell whoever they think fit, then chat later about whether or not it will be good for the club when we know where we are?
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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by jojomk1 » Thu Sep 03, 2020 1:57 pm

I think I am correct in saying that if any players hands in a formal transfer request they forfeit their rights to the 10% signing on fee

That seems a lot of cash to give up - however, £25k a week extra on a four year deal would put it right

We should be looking to get JT to extend his contract now but (and only a thought) if Tarks, or any other player such as Dwight, don't see ambition from the club maybe they do see it as a time to move on
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Post by Wellsy1882 » Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:06 pm

jojomk1 wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 1:57 pm
I think I am correct in saying that if any players hands in a formal transfer request they forfeit their rights to the 10% signing on fee

That seems a lot of cash to give up - however, £25k a week extra on a four year deal would put it right

We should be looking to get JT to extend his contract now but (and only a thought) if Tarks, or any other player such as Dwight, don't see ambition from the club maybe they do see it as a time to move on
Leicester or whoever would top that up even cover it

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Post by ClaretTony » Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:07 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 1:53 pm
If we start believing rumours that are not substantiated, we really are getting desperate for something to talk about.
Does nothing for this message board having threads like this
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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by Zlatan » Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:08 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:07 pm
Does nothing for this message board having threads like this
Then remove it
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Post by warksclaret » Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:12 pm

Could not agree more CT. There is enough bad news around already, outside of football

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by bfcmik » Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:14 pm

Zlatan wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:08 pm
Then remove it
Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't - the joys of being a message board moderator/leader
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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by bfccrazy » Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:26 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:07 pm
Does nothing for this message board having threads like this
I’ve still not turned the heating on.
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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:26 pm

bfccrazy wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:26 pm
I’ve still not turned the heating on.
Me neither - and windows open
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Post by bfccrazy » Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:27 pm

Is a mate who has said it and as I said, it’s the first I’ve heard of it but he’s not one to just sprout rubbish loads so was just seeing if there was anything to it.

Hopefully it is just total BS.

Ps, I apologise for flooding the quiz message board with football talk.
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Post by Zlatan » Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:34 pm

bfcmik wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:14 pm
Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't - the joys of being a message board moderator/leader
I understand the difficulties CT has moderating this forum. I would advise more openness when posts are removed, I would also recommend not commenting as above because it will encourage dissension.

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by bfccrazy » Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:41 pm

Zlatan wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:34 pm
I understand the difficulties CT has moderating this forum. I would advise more openness when posts are removed, I would also recommend not commenting as above because it will encourage dissension.
It’s definitely not an easy task to moderate a message board like this. I just find it odd that of all the random stuff that gets posted on here, picking a football related, Burnley related post in which I clearly said it’s nothing more than a rumour and questioning if anybody else has heard anything on the subject ....... is the post that shouldn’t be on here :lol: :lol:
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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by Wellsy1882 » Thu Sep 03, 2020 3:38 pm

hes not goin anywhere

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by Wellsy1882 » Thu Sep 03, 2020 3:40 pm

bfccrazy wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:37 am
Just heard a rumour that he’s put in a transfer request?

Anything else been mentioned about this anywhere as it’s the first I’ve heard of it and it was a bit of a surprise.
99% of most of the things you predict are incorrect
Remember a while back when you used to "guess" the starting line ups

Rod can be put firmly away. "Mate" said it... aye oreyt

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Post by Hedontplayforyou » Thu Sep 03, 2020 3:53 pm

Remember when Tarky was knocking odd Bens missus? Oh yeh thought so - delete the thread , best option

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Post by ClaretTony » Thu Sep 03, 2020 3:58 pm

Wellsy1882 wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 3:40 pm
99% of most of the things you predict are incorrect
Remember a while back when you used to "guess" the starting line ups

Rod can be put firmly away. "Mate" said it... aye oreyt
So someone new to the board knows about that does he? As it happens the predictions were usually absolutely spot on. I know it left the club in a right state and they were threatening legal action at one point. That's a few seasons back now, 2016/17 I think, but he was usually, as I say, spot on.
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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by JohnMac » Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:18 pm

New to the board :shock:

Any1 not kno who hes been b4? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by superdimitri » Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:19 pm

https://www.brentfordfc.com/news/2016/j ... Xp4tpuF.99

He refused to play for Brentford. Two weeks later he signed for us. If he goes what goes around comes around I guess. No loyalty in football any more.

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Post by Vegas Claret » Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:22 pm

superdimitri wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:19 pm
https://www.brentfordfc.com/news/2016/j ... Xp4tpuF.99

He refused to play for Brentford. Two weeks later he signed for us. If he goes what goes around comes around I guess. No loyalty in football any more.
if someone like Leicester came in for you and offered to double your wages you would be a mug not to do it, footballers are just doing a job, nothing more.

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Post by Quickenthetempo » Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:26 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 3:58 pm
So someone new to the board knows about that does he? As it happens the predictions were usually absolutely spot on. I know it left the club in a right state and they were threatening legal action at one point. That's a few seasons back now, 2016/17 I think, but he was usually, as I say, spot on.
They were spot on but not many surprises in the posts as you would expect from Dyche.

I think an injury to one of the centre halves might of been revealed early one week.

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Post by KateR » Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:31 pm

I'm going for Fake News until there is something a little more believable than what has been presented here.

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:36 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:26 pm
They were spot on but not many surprises in the posts as you would expect from Dyche.

I think an injury to one of the centre halves might of been revealed early one week.
It was the Palace game when the club finally kicked off and someone went running to Dyche to tell him. I've just looked at what the changes were that day from the previous game v Man U.

1. Tarkowski for Mee (injury)
2. Westwood for Barton (Barton suspended for the betting and had played his final game)
3. Arfield for Brady
4. Vokes for Gray.

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by Dyched » Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:40 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:36 pm
It was the Palace game when the club finally kicked off and someone went running to Dyche to tell him. I've just looked at what the changes were that day from the previous game v Man U.

1. Tarkowski for Mee (injury)
2. Westwood for Barton (Barton suspended for the betting and had played his final game)
3. Arfield for Brady
4. Vokes for Gray.
I remember those threads. The thing that always got me with any kind of starting 11 threads, were that other posters put what team they want to see. If we all actually put the team, we’d guess it pretty much spot on 95% of the time.

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Post by buzzclarets79 » Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:41 pm

Zlatan wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:08 pm
Then remove it
I'd say the problem with removing it (now anyway) is that lots of people will have seen it, to remove it could add fuel to the fire, people will believe that there must be something in it hence why its been removed. If he goes, he goes. BFC will still remain.
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Post by bfccrazy » Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:42 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:36 pm
It was the Palace game when the club finally kicked off and someone went running to Dyche to tell him. I've just looked at what the changes were that day from the previous game v Man U.

1. Tarkowski for Mee (injury)
2. Westwood for Barton (Barton suspended for the betting and had played his final game)
3. Arfield for Brady
4. Vokes for Gray.
Strangely, we had quite a good run of games results wise at the same time too.

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by jedi_master » Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:45 pm

Tarky didn’t play against Preston due to an injury, is that where this rumour has perhaps originated?

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by tiger76 » Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:45 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:22 pm
if someone like Leicester came in for you and offered to double your wages you would be a mug not to do it, footballers are just doing a job, nothing more.
Absolutely! and if Leicester want him, pay the asking price or beggar off, in other words put up or shut up, we'll see in the next month whether they are prepared to pay top dollar for Tarks or not. I don't think they will if there is cheaper options available to them in Europe.

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by FactualFrank » Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:48 pm

If Leicester offer £50 million then he can talk to them.

So not sure what the point of putting in a transfer request would be. We can't stop him from leaving if they meet the price.

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Post by Dyched » Thu Sep 03, 2020 5:08 pm

The risk with such an high release fee is, if it’s not met, we simply can’t afford to offer him a new contract when his current one starts to run out.

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Post by FactualFrank » Thu Sep 03, 2020 5:20 pm

Dyched wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 5:08 pm
The risk with such an high release fee is, if it’s not met, we simply can’t afford to offer him a new contract when his current one starts to run out.
Which probably means us selling him next summer, if his contract runs out in 2022.

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Post by boatshed bill » Thu Sep 03, 2020 5:22 pm

There's nothing to stop Leicester putting in a lower bid though, is there?

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Post by clarethomer » Thu Sep 03, 2020 5:27 pm

I thought the release clause was only applicable to north west clubs given a desire to be close to his mum who at the time wasn't well I believe?

Not sure if his situation was as stated above, or if it has changed but if the above is right - Leicester wouldn't be able to trigger a release fee as it's not applicable to them.

Likewise, what does worry me of late is his lack of England games and there being some views that its because of the way we play doesn't match what Southgate wants. If there is a desire to get into the England set up - maybe this could be something that has happened which has forced the situation..

Or maybe, it's all a misunderstanding and he is very happy where he is?

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by FactualFrank » Thu Sep 03, 2020 5:39 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 5:22 pm
There's nothing to stop Leicester putting in a lower bid though, is there?
I thought they'd already tried that one and we rejected it. The club seem pretty adamant that we won't sell for less than the release fee.

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by Dyched » Thu Sep 03, 2020 5:43 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 5:20 pm
Which probably means us selling him next summer, if his contract runs out in 2022.

So if Leicester want him, they’ll surely wait until January to tempt us to agree with a lesser fee, if not, next summer he’ll go for a fraction of £50m. That release clause is worthless come the end of this window.
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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by Wellsy1882 » Thu Sep 03, 2020 5:53 pm

Simply cant see him goin unless stupid money is thrown about

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Post by jrgbfc » Thu Sep 03, 2020 5:57 pm

Next summer teams will know we have to sell though so we're unlikely to get anywhere near what he's worth.

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Post by KefkaClaret » Thu Sep 03, 2020 6:24 pm

Offer him a new contract, if he says no sell him.

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Post by BurnleyFC » Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:07 pm

Don’t worry, we can always bring Gibbo back in from the cold.

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Post by boatshed bill » Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:18 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 5:39 pm
I thought they'd already tried that one and we rejected it. The club seem pretty adamant that we won't sell for less than the release fee.
Well yes, but if he really has handed in a transfer request it changes everything.

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by Steddyman » Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:21 pm

Do we really have 50 posts over an unsubstantiated rumour with no links backing it up?

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