Tark - transfer

[CFS]

Dyche will be telling him go and I'll join you there by next summer at the latest. Forward thinking is our gaffer. Can't have gone from moaning few months back to all rosey more so now with us having a weaker squad than when we finished the season.

[jojomk1]

I can’t be bothered with semantics. I am right.
Just goes to show that people will argue about anything with people that they want to disagree with.

Oh dear, someone's having a tantrum

[Burnley Ace]

The only way he is going to get regular Champions league football is by moving to Celtic.

[Murger]

This season is gonna be a real struggle if Tarks goes. The timing of all this could not be worse. Time for the recruitment side of things to get their head out of their arse.

[arise_sir_charge]

The only way he is going to get regular Champions league football is by moving to Celtic.

Oxymoron alert!

[jojomk1]

Just hope everyone will let bygones be bygones and give a warm welcome to Phil Jones

[dandeclaret]

I think Southgate didn't pick him entirely to force his hand into moving to one of the teams in the Top 6. Same will likely be with Nick on Tuesday.

Why would Southgate want players playing fewer games?

[kaptin1]

In theory, now is exactly the right time to be letting Tarks leave. He’s at the top of his game, at peak age and has two years left on his contract and so, unless he signs a new extended contract (which seems unlikely), his value is probably at its peak.

However, what would normally happen is that we’d have a Player waiting in the wings who had been with us a while to slot in. Keane did this when Shackell left and Tarks did it when Keane left. Gibson was supposed to be there to do it when Tarks left, but that is no longer an option.

As such, (if Tarks leaves) we are now under pressure to find a replacement who can come in immediately and be up to the required standard and that isn’t going to be easy. Add to that, Mee is currently injured leaving just Kevin Long (our fourth choice CB ... assuming Gibson was not originally brought in as a fourth choice) as our only fit centre back if Tarks goes.

It’s essential that we sign a replacement before we allow Tarks to leave. It is too close to the start of the season to do otherwise. A bad start to the season can often be difficult to recover from and, to be honest, it was a miracle we stayed up two seasons ago. That was only because we had a settled squad of good players who were just underperforming at the time, plus we also had the return of Heaton in goal. With a weaker squad we’d stand no chance, I think.

To be honest, I think the writing is on the wall now and Tarks will leave this window, but let’s just hope we don’t leave ourselves high and dry as a result.

[Hedontplayforyou]

Looks like Tarkowski’s tenure with us is coming to an end shortly, be that this window, January or next summer he’s been a colossus for us.

Personally I still think Man United need another centre half and given their nature in the market this could end up being an option for him , and one which he certainly wouldn’t turn down . I’d prefer him to make this kind of move to a Leicester but if that turns out to be his only option then it will naturally take its course as he won’t be getting the chances he desires staying with us.

Replacement needed ASAP if this is the case, and certainly not Joe Worrall to go in and take over immediately.

[Conroysleftfoot]

In theory, now is exactly the right time to be letting Tarks leave. He’s at the top of his game, at peak age and has two years left on his contract and so, unless he signs a new extended contract (which seems unlikely), his value is probably at its peak.

However, what would normally happen is that we’d have a Player waiting in the wings who had been with us a while to slot in. Keane did this when Shackell left and Tarks did it when Keane left. Gibson was supposed to be there to do it when Tarks left, but that is no longer an option.

As such, (if Tarks leaves) we are now under pressure to find a replacement who can come in immediately and be up to the required standard and that isn’t going to be easy. Add to that, Mee is currently injured leaving just Kevin Long (our fourth choice CB ... assuming Gibson was not originally brought in as a fourth choice) as our only fit centre back if Tarks goes.

It’s essential that we sign a replacement before we allow Tarks to leave. It is too close to the start of the season to do otherwise. A bad start to the season can often be difficult to recover from and, to be honest, it was a miracle we stayed up two seasons ago. That was only because we had a settled squad of good players who were just underperforming at the time, plus we also had the return of Heaton in goal. With a weaker squad we’d stand no chance, I think.

To be honest, I think the writing is on the wall now and Tarks will leave this window, but let’s just hope we don’t leave ourselves high and dry as a result.

Totally agree with this. You can't blame Tarks for wanting to play regular European football and improve his chances of playing for England, we know that McNeil will be doing exactly the same thing in a year or so. Gibson was signed exactly for this scenario but, obviously, that situation went horribly wrong. We need to sign somebody before selling.

[summitclaret]

In theory, now is exactly the right time to be letting Tarks leave. He’s at the top of his game, at peak age and has two years left on his contract and so, unless he signs a new extended contract (which seems unlikely), his value is probably at its peak.

However, what would normally happen is that we’d have a Player waiting in the wings who had been with us a while to slot in. Keane did this when Shackell left and Tarks did it when Keane left. Gibson was supposed to be there to do it when Tarks left, but that is no longer an option.

As such, (if Tarks leaves) we are now under pressure to find a replacement who can come in immediately and be up to the required standard and that isn’t going to be easy. Add to that, Mee is currently injured leaving just Kevin Long (our fourth choice CB ... assuming Gibson was not originally brought in as a fourth choice) as our only fit centre back if Tarks goes.

It’s essential that we sign a replacement before we allow Tarks to leave. It is too close to the start of the season to do otherwise. A bad start to the season can often be difficult to recover from and, to be honest, it was a miracle we stayed up two seasons ago. That was only because we had a settled squad of good players who were just underperforming at the time, plus we also had the return of Heaton in goal. With a weaker squad we’d stand no chance, I think.

To be honest, I think the writing is on the wall now and Tarks will leave this window, but let’s just hope we don’t leave ourselves high and dry as a result.

I couldn't like the above post because I hate the thought of losing Tarks. He is our rock, an inspiration and virtually irreplaceable atm. But it is absolutely spot on. I am scared that we are going to get fleeced even if we sell him now. The Board are going to have to do what they never do and buy his immediate starting replacement now and pay the going rate, now that there is solution of sorts to Gibbo.

Dawson is too old really now, but he will do. Him or an equivalent has to be bought now and BEFORE Tarks is allowed to talk to anyone.

The next few days are likely to play a big part in determining whether this season is one we will like.

[Top Claret]

We can't afford to sell Tarkowski for even 50 million at the moment with Ben Mee injured.

If Tarkowski goes with Mee injured you can wave good bye to the Premier league

[matttheclaret]

I'd keep him another year if possible. Gives us longer to try and find a replacement or two for him, which won't be easy.

I know he'll only have a year left on his contract by then, but we got £30 million for Keane when he only had a year left. We got £18 million for Gray when he had a year left.

Another good year out of him, we'll still be able to sell for more than decent money next summer.

For him to go this summer, so close to the season, (and assuming his £50 million clause is genuine) I'd be demanding the full amount of that.

[Gordaleman]

We can't afford to sell Tarkowski for even 50 million at the moment with Ben Mee injured.

If Tarkowski goes with Mee injured you can wave good bye to the Premier league

Except Ben isn't badly injured and is fully expected to start the PL season.

[huw.Y.WattfromWare]

Keep it real. He played 2 games for England. In one he gave away a penalty because he was clumsy in the box. Now, if he was 22 GS would put it down to lack of experience; but he was 25ish.
He's been absolutely outstanding for us this season, but I think his chances of playing for England are minimal given that Southgate is always looking at younger options.
If his motivation for a move was/is purely based on his international future he needs to give that serious thought.

He made his debut as left side CB and gets binned for giving a pen. away?

[huw.Y.WattfromWare]

Except Ben isn't badly injured and is fully expected to start the PL season.

Ben Mee certainly likes his extended Summer holidays.

[Row Z]

I'd keep him another year if possible. Gives us longer to try and find a replacement or two for him, which won't be easy.

I know he'll only have a year left on his contract by then, but we got £30 million for Keane when he only had a year left. We got £18 million for Gray when he had a year left.

Another good year out of him, we'll still be able to sell for more than decent money next summer.

For him to go this summer, so close to the season, (and assuming his £50 million clause is genuine) I'd be demanding the full amount of that.

Agree with this. I get the whole player power debate and last year of contract versus leaving for free, but hes got two years left. Given the way he's performed that could potentially secure us three years of Premier league football, which is hundreds of millions of revenue.

Next itll be a player has three years left, nows the best time to sell him!

[warksclaret]

This is ridiculous and a sad endictment of our planning and recruiting policy. Any other PL club would have been searching for a high quality CH in January when Gibson threw his toys out of the pram. So if JT goes our options are Long, Thomas and Dunne with Mee injured

Its situations like this that make me wonder why SD has stayed-this will not help to keep him. Maybe the first recruitment is finding someone who can recruit players

[randomclaret2]

Its not finding them that's the problem, it's finding the money to pay for them.

[summitclaret]

We will probably still be ******* about over the odd million or 2 over Worrel or someone else, despite the fact that our mo is to teach players our system over several weeks before they are allowed to start.

Get ready for the old Taylor can play cb ********.

[warksclaret]

I cannot accept this theory that playing for Burnley damages your international chances. We went decades without an English player-I believe Dobson,

Since SD joined us-Ings, Heaton, Pope , Keane and Cork.You must also remember that Tarks had a stinker in one of the two games he played for England, and had it not been for Lockdown Southgate would have been at the actual games and will almost have cerainly watched one of our games and seen the form JT was in

I thinks Taks fear is not the team he has been playing for but the weakened 11 that faces the new season, and it will be very uphill to shine in that environment. His confidence will have been dented by the weakness of our squad

[boatshed bill]

I cannot accept this theory that playing for Burnley damages your international chances. We went decades without an English player-I believe Dobson,

Since SD joined us-Ings, Heaton, Pope , Keane and Cork.You must also remember that Tarks had a stinker in one of the two games he played for England, and had it not been for Lockdown Southgate would have been at the actual games and will almost have cerainly watched one of our games and seen the form JT was in

I thinks Taks fear is not the team he has been playing for but the weakened 11 that faces the new season, and it will be very uphill to shine in that environment. His confidence will have been dented by the weakness of our squad

With Mee injured he'd likely be captain.
I'm reading that he wants Champions League football, so is there any liklihood of him going to the highest current bidder (West Ham)?

[Gordaleman]

With Mee injured he'd likely be captain.
I'm reading that he wants Champions League football, so is there any liklihood of him going to the highest current bidder (West Ham)?

Mee only has a minor injury and is expected to be fully fit for the game at Leicester.

[Spijed]

Get ready for the old Taylor can play cb ********.

Unless he gets sold as well!

[Bigvince]

Mee only has a minor injury and is expected to be fully fit for the game at Leicester.

Is this true? Has SD said so

[Gordaleman]

Is this true? Has SD said so

Simple answer. Yes.

[Reecey1987]

Mee only has a minor injury and is expected to be fully fit for the game at Leicester.

Touch and go

[summitclaret]

Simple answer. Yes.

Source because you seem to be the only person to know this.

[Bigvince]

Source because you seem to be the only person to know this.

My point exactly. I wish I was in the know

[Gordaleman]

Source because you seem to be the only person to know this.

Without trawling throgh everything I've read over the last two weeks, I don't know, and I don't intend to do that, but I think it was Lancs live quoting Sean.

[boatshed bill]

In the recent post-match interview SD doesn't even mention Ben Mee, despite giving some detail about other players recovering.

[AlargeClaret]

Mee only has a minor injury and is expected to be fully fit for the game at Leicester.

He’s not played any pre season yet has he ? Perhaps he was fit then got a niggle and SD thinks with the extra we can get him back . Very much needed with Tarks almost gone

[Firthy]

TBH I'm past caring. All the made up crap in the media that is repeated on a multitude of sights is boring me to death.

If he goes I'm sure SD will get a suitable replacement. I just hope we don't let him go for anything under £50m as it would be really hypocritical after everything SD has said about inflated transfer fees and the selling club holding out for what they think the player is worth.

And if we do sell Tarks and Pope I hope the £80m plus we receive would be made available for SD to invest in the squad. I think BPF might turn out to be another Pope and you could certainly buy decent CD, RW and midfielder with that sort of money.

[Steddyman]

Touch and go

Oh crap. In Dyche speak that means he's out for another 3 months then.

[Gordaleman]

He’s not played any pre season yet has he ? Perhaps he was fit then got a niggle and SD thinks with the extra we can get him back . Very much needed with Tarks almost gone

Of course he hasn't played any pre season. He's injured, but not badly. According to Sean, he's just being careful with him and expects him to be ready to play at Leicester.

[claret2018]

I wager £10 we start the Leicester game with Long and Taylor as CBs

[Firthy]

I wager £10 we start the Leicester game with Long and Taylor as CBs

I'll take that, make sure it's a new crispy tenner

[FactualFrank]

We can't afford to sell Tarkowski for even 50 million at the moment with Ben Mee injured.

If Tarkowski goes with Mee injured you can wave good bye to the Premier league

That's the thing. He could actually be worth more to us even keeping for 2 years and him going for nothing, than him going now for £40-50 million and us dropping down to the Championship.

However, looking at recent years we have done a very good job overall at replacing outgoing players. Look at the forwards we have lost, and who we now have. Keane left and Tarkowski filled in. Heaton went and Pope filled in. Ward left and Taylor filled in.

We've not done a bad job, to be fair to the board.

[Mattster]

However, looking at recent years we have done a very good job overall at replacing outgoing players. Look at the forwards we have lost, and who we now have. Keane left and Tarkowski filled in. Heaton went and Pope filled in. Ward left and Taylor filled in.

We've not done a bad job, to be fair to the board.

The difference with those ones is the replacements were already at the club and had had a long time (12 months+) bedding in and getting the tactical understanding of Dyche's system.

When we parachuted a replacement directly into the starting lineup of the defence (Hart) it did not go very well.

[martin_p]

That's the thing. He could actually be worth more to us even keeping for 2 years and him going for nothing, than him going now for £40-50 million and us dropping down to the Championship.

However, looking at recent years we have done a very good job overall at replacing outgoing players. Look at the forwards we have lost, and who we now have. Keane left and Tarkowski filled in. Heaton went and Pope filled in. Ward left and Taylor filled in.

We've not done a bad job, to be fair to the board.

I think the difference here is that we had a ready made replacement the club had spent time preparing for the step up. I assume Gibson was to be next in line before he threw his toys out of the pram as I think Long has only ever been seen as a stop gap player.

[summitclaret]

That's the thing. He could actually be worth more to us even keeping for 2 years and him going for nothing, than him going now for £40-50 million and us dropping down to the Championship.

However, looking at recent years we have done a very good job overall at replacing outgoing players. Look at the forwards we have lost, and who we now have. Keane left and Tarkowski filled in. Heaton went and Pope filled in. Ward left and Taylor filled in.

We've not done a bad job, to be fair to the board.

This is very true, but in each case the successor was oven ready. This time apart from maybe BPF, we don't even have the oven or a means of working it.

[what_no_pies]

I cannot accept this theory that playing for Burnley damages your international chances. We went decades without an English player-I believe Dobson,

Since SD joined us-Ings, Heaton, Pope , Keane and Cork.You must also remember that Tarks had a stinker in one of the two games he played for England, and had it not been for Lockdown Southgate would have been at the actual games and will almost have cerainly watched one of our games and seen the form JT was in

I thinks Taks fear is not the team he has been playing for but the weakened 11 that faces the new season, and it will be very uphill to shine in that environment. His confidence will have been dented by the weakness of our squad

Danny Ings never played for England as a Burnley player. He was Championship player of the year then shone throughout an entire PL campaign for us without getting a game.

He then signed for Liverpool, made a couple of sub appearances and promptly got picked to play for England.

This fact reinforces the theory you're trying to dispute.

[Firthy]

This is very true, but in each case the successor was oven ready. This time apart from maybe BPF, we don't even have the oven or a means of working it.

We defiitely don't want a replacement with chicken legs

[martin_p]

Danny Ings never played for England as a Burnley player. He was Championship player of the year then shone throughout an entire PL campaign for us without getting a game.

He then signed for Liverpool, made a couple of sub appearances and promptly got picked to play for England.

This fact reinforces the theory you're trying to dispute.

Whereas Jack Cork had had several good seasons the the Premier League and played for England at every level apart from the most senior until he came to Burnley.

[elwaclaret]

All that I have seen is seven pages of rumour, panic and hissy fits. Tasks is a fine defender, Burnley remain his employer...

I have read nothing to make me see the Impending Armageddon predicted by so many.... I know I’m glad I will never need A lot of you to keep you nerve, if a real problem ever does develop, I thought It was the other lot that relied on chicken livers.

[Cubanclaret]

Danny Ings never played for England as a Burnley player. He was Championship player of the year then shone throughout an entire PL campaign for us without getting a game.

He then signed for Liverpool, made a couple of sub appearances and promptly got picked to play for England.

This fact reinforces the theory you're trying to dispute.

No but he did debut for England's Under 21s (or 23s?) while at Burnley - they even played at Turf Moor in front of his adoring public.

Ultimately Tarks has been in the England camp and Southgate has had a good look at him. He's not out of the picture for the forseeable future by any stretch. I'd hazard a guess that BFC were not expecting to sell him in this window - and Worrall is Dyche's 'next-in-line' to fill the void when he does go either in the next transfer window or at the end of the season.

Other than a hike in wages, if Tarks' preference is to stay in the north, then right now it's hard to see what West Ham can give him that we can't - we are after all playing in empty stadiums. Leicester I guess is an easier commute from the Cheshire area - and a club not run by nobs.

I could understand if its Champions League but is playing in the Europa League that much of a turn-on for a player's career right now ?

[FCBurnley]

Re Ben Mee. Has there been any updates on baby Grace ? Hopefully she is doing ok and maybe Ben has been given some time to spend with his daughter and family

[Gordaleman]

Re Ben Mee. Has there been any updates on baby Grace ? Hopefully she is doing ok and maybe Ben has been given some time to spend with his daughter and family

I think the reverse is true. If there was a problem, I think we might have heard about it. Thankfully, it appears there isn't.

[SouthLondonexile]

I really would not like to see him leave BFC.
He has all the qualities of a fine centre back.
Such a strong player nothing fazes him.

[The Enclosure]

Sky sports reporting that we have told West Ham that the price for Tarks is 50 million so they will need to up their 27 million bid somewhat.Why on earth Tarks would contemplate going to the Hammers takes some believing.

'West Ham quoted £50m for Tarkowski'

http://www.skysports.com/share/12066014