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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by summitclaret » Thu Sep 24, 2020 1:47 pm

Zlatan wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:58 am
What I don’t like is the media whoring him out to “big” clubs all the time - “surely Man Utd should make a move for Tarkowski” or “Leicester are still to make a move for him” I keep hearing snippets whilst listening to Sky Sports news etc, they have zero respect for our club as far as I can see
Can only help if Tarks has already said he won't sign an extension.

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by FactualFrank » Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:46 pm

Hearing that he's been ruled out by SD for Saturday.

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by Vegas Claret » Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:48 pm

Spijed wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 1:32 pm
From Nixon:

Forest. Burnley. Worrall won’t be going anywhere in a hurry. Foot injury. 5-6 week lay off.
great news, we don't need him

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by Papabendi » Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:49 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:46 pm
Hearing that he's been ruled out by SD for Saturday.
Has SD ruled him out or has the player himself?

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by FactualFrank » Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:52 pm

Papabendi wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:49 pm
Has SD ruled him out or has the player himself?
I've no idea, and not sure on the accuracy of the source, I'm just passing it on. It wouldn't surprise me though if he's not in the squad again. If he was close to a return, you'd expect him to be at least on the bench, when you take into account SD said he was close for the Millwall game.

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by box_of_frogs » Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:02 pm

Surely such a horrendous toe injury would mean he won’t pass a medical until 2023?
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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by Paul Waine » Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:35 pm

The West Ham way: soaring wages, bad recruitment and blaming fans

The club have never been far away from a crisis under the ownership of Sullivan and Gold


The Times, Matt Dickinson, 5pm Thurs 24th.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/5704 ... ff3a27404a

Worth a read.

A few extracts:

“I had to bully the manager into signing [Issa] Diop and [Lukasz] Fabianski,” he said, eager to take credit for two of the more successful signings, certainly when compared to Sébastien Haller at £45 million.

No club is immune from bad purchases but most know it pays to establish a system that operates with a strategy and smart staff feeding detailed information into a manager and board. West Ham’s scouting and recruitment has been a mess for some time, not least because Sullivan likes to add his own idiosyncratic decisions to the mix, sitting in his Essex mansion playing Football Manager for real.

Funds they are now struggling to spend because everyone knows they are desperate for a centre-half, as shown by bidding as much as £30 million for Burnley’s James Tarkowski, in a frantic late scramble.


I've added the underline. I wonder how much Matt Dickinson thinks WHU should have bid if the weren't desperate?

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by Chester Perry » Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:55 pm

Paul Waine wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:35 pm
The West Ham way: soaring wages, bad recruitment and blaming fans

The club have never been far away from a crisis under the ownership of Sullivan and Gold


The Times, Matt Dickinson, 5pm Thurs 24th.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/5704 ... ff3a27404a

Worth a read.

A few extracts:

“I had to bully the manager into signing [Issa] Diop and [Lukasz] Fabianski,” he said, eager to take credit for two of the more successful signings, certainly when compared to Sébastien Haller at £45 million.

No club is immune from bad purchases but most know it pays to establish a system that operates with a strategy and smart staff feeding detailed information into a manager and board. West Ham’s scouting and recruitment has been a mess for some time, not least because Sullivan likes to add his own idiosyncratic decisions to the mix, sitting in his Essex mansion playing Football Manager for real.

Funds they are now struggling to spend because everyone knows they are desperate for a centre-half, as shown by bidding as much as £30 million for Burnley’s James Tarkowski, in a frantic late scramble.


I've added the underline. I wonder how much Matt Dickinson thinks WHU should have bid if the weren't desperate?

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by Taffy on the wing » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:28 am

Had a look ....gave up after the first few posts!
Odious club and fans.

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by Grimsdale » Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:12 am

Taffy on the wing wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:28 am
Had a look ....gave up after the first few posts!
Odious club and fans.
The Premier League graphics department aren't exactly fond of their players either:

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by Funkydrummer » Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:18 am

Brilliant discovery Grimsdale, absolutely brilliant. :lol:

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by jojomk1 » Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:25 am

If this toe "injury" is going to keep him out until the end of the window and maybe beyond, surely it would be best to maximise his value now
It's now almost as unbelievable as the "unique" issue we had with Gibson, and we know how long and how much that cost us

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by Boss Hogg » Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:30 am

What has he actually done to his toe ? If it was broken or torn ligaments I could understand it. Maybe it’s protecting a saleable asset if takeover doesn’t take place.

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by kaptin1 » Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:45 am

Boss Hogg wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:30 am
What has he actually done to his toe ? If it was broken or torn ligaments I could understand it. Maybe it’s protecting a saleable asset if takeover doesn’t take place.
Gout, caused by eating too many omelettes

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by gawthorpe_view » Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:51 am

kaptin1 wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:45 am
Gout, caused by eating too many omelettes
Perhaps Sean dropped the omlette pan on his toe.

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by BenWickes » Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:59 am

Boss Hogg wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:30 am
What has he actually done to his toe ? If it was broken or torn ligaments I could understand it. Maybe it’s protecting a saleable asset if takeover doesn’t take place.
Could he have a hairline fracture? I had one in my little toe just by stepping in a divot in a field. Bloody painful too. Took a few weeks to heal.

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by kentonclaret » Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:07 am

"What has he actually done to his toe"

Tarks dipped his little piggy into the transfer pool and in getting out slipped on some wet spam. :lol:

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by boatshed bill » Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:46 am

Grimsdale wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:12 am
The Premier League graphics department aren't exactly fond of their players either:

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For a split second I thought they'd signed Kevin Long :D

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by Leisure » Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:59 am

On the Fantasy Premier League site Tarks has gone from 'Toe Injury - 75% chance of playing' to 'Toe Injury - 50% chance of playing' !!! Don't know just where they get their information from?

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by claretblue » Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:08 am

BenWickes wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:59 am
Could he have a hairline fracture? I had one in my little toe just by stepping in a divot in a field. Bloody painful too. Took a few weeks to heal.
how much had West Ham valued you Ben? :?

:D

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by BenWickes » Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:21 am

claretblue wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:08 am
how much had West Ham valued you Ben? :?

:D
8 cans of premium lager and I'm anybody's so it's not a realistic reflection of Tarks worth compared to mine :lol:

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by Firthy » Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:33 am

Leisure wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:59 am
On the Fantasy Premier League site Tarks has gone from 'Toe Injury - 75% chance of playing' to 'Toe Injury - 50% chance of playing' !!! Don't know just where they get their information from?
This board probably :D
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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by FactualFrank » Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:53 am

Leisure wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:59 am
On the Fantasy Premier League site Tarks has gone from 'Toe Injury - 75% chance of playing' to 'Toe Injury - 50% chance of playing' !!! Don't know just where they get their information from?
When I used to play FPL I think they got it from the Physio Room: https://www.premierinjuries.com/injury-table.php

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by rob63 » Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:57 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:46 am
For a split second I thought they'd signed Kevin Long :D
I thought it was just me seeing things :shock:

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:55 pm

Leicester have bid 30mil + add one.

According Percy at the telegraph

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by jojomk1 » Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:59 pm

Gamesmanship now if true
We will buckle at around £35m up front

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by FactualFrank » Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:59 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:55 pm
Leicester have bid 30mil + add one.

According Percy at the telegraph
We don't have a replacement yet. Any of the names being rumoured, actually good enough?

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by KefkaClaret » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:01 pm

Disappointing if we don't atleast get 40m. Two years left on his deal.

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by jojomk1 » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:01 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:59 pm
We don't have a replacement yet. Any of the names being rumoured, actually good enough?
FF

Are you seriously suggesting that we are capable of forward planning in case of this situation :o

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by superdimitri » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:02 pm

Real shame one of the bigger teams don't want him. That's basically the difference between a good and bad value sale for us.

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by Quickenthetempo » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:03 pm

Leicester have bid over 30m according to John Percy

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by jojomk1 » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:05 pm

Throw in Wes Morgan and MG will sign on the dotted line

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by FactualFrank » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:05 pm

jojomk1 wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:01 pm
Are you seriously suggesting that we are capable of forward planning in case of this situation :o
Well if we haven't, we're knackered. I heard of Dawson and the fella from Forest, but are either good enough to come in and replace Tarkowski?

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by Ric_C » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:05 pm

If Tarks doesn't engineer a move, then we should hold out for 40 million. Even then I think we should keep him. However if he puts in a transfer request, or refuses to play, then it might force our hand somewhat.

Remember when we sold Keane? Wasn't he out for a few games with a "back" injury at the time?

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by BenWickes » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:05 pm

Be interesting how this all develops. West Ham apparently changed their target to the same St Etienne defender Leicester are after, but want to pay it in instalments over six years. Around £4 million a season.

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by randomclaret2 » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:05 pm

Ah, the mystery toe injury 😉

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by jojomk1 » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:06 pm

#lcfc have made a £30m+ bid for #Burnley centre-half James Tarkowski. Understand Tarkowski is interested in a move to the King Power
Leicester City make renewed bid for Burnley centre-half James Tarkowski
Burnley are demanding £50 million, but Brendan Rodgers hopes to negotiate deal

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by FactualFrank » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:07 pm

So we want £50 million and they offer £30 million.

Right...

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by Zlatan » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:08 pm

Why would Leicester want to sign an injured player...? The plot thickens...

;)

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by superdimitri » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:08 pm

Just to add some extra info in case someone missed it. Leicester have bid 30m :lol:

There's a lot of posting and not much reading going on.
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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by FactualFrank » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:09 pm

25%+ sell on if/when he does go. At least.

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by FactualFrank » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:11 pm

How much did West Ham offer, that we turned down... £30 million?

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by jojomk1 » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:11 pm

Said before - £35m plus season loans for Choudhury and Albrighton (without fees and wages) and get the deal done
Maybe now Amertey or Morgan if we don't need Choudhury

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by SGr » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:12 pm

This isn’t the West Ham circus, this is serious. A bid or two more from them and I think he will leave.

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by Zlatan » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:13 pm

Thing is, when the rumours started about Tarkowski (start of this thread) I, probably like many on here, thought we’d be screwed in defence without him.

Since seeing Dunne and Thomas play, I have no deep rooted worries anymore.

Whoever plays alongside Mee will improve. Kevin Long will be fine, as will Dunne and Thomas or Dawson if those rumours are true.

It’s that shape we play that makes them look good, cash in now whilst the money is offered I say.

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by Quickenthetempo » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:14 pm

Ric_C wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:05 pm
If Tarks doesn't engineer a move, then we should hold out for 40 million. Even then I think we should keep him. However if he puts in a transfer request, or refuses to play, then it might force our hand somewhat.

Remember when we sold Keane? Wasn't he out for a few games with a "back" injury at the time?
The thread actually started saying Tarky had put in a transfer request. To say it come from a good source and he hasn't played yet this season. I would suggest he was right.

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by Somethingfishy » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:14 pm

Is a sell on at his age really worthwhile? He would have to really pull up trees quickly at Leicester to be in demand from an even bigger club and for any sell on to be worthwhile.This will be the biggest move of his career and so we should be demanding money upfront not sell ons.
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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by FactualFrank » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:15 pm

Somethingfishy wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:14 pm
Is a sell on at his age really worthwhile? He would have to really pull up trees quickly at Leicester to be in demand from an even bigger club and for any sell on to be worthwhile.This will be the biggest move of his career and so we should be demanding money upfront not sell ons.
Maybe, but I'd want the sell on as a free extra, along with £40 million.
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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by ewanrob » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:16 pm

We have to play hard ball here, Leicester have got 130 million in a season for 2 not bad players....we have to get nearer the 50 million if at all possible.

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by BenWickes » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:17 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:11 pm
How much did West Ham offer, that we turned down... £30 million?
Apparently they only made two bids. Not that £25/26 million would get Tarks anyway, but if they structured the bid the same way as they have with the St Etienne defender. £24-6 million split over six years. No wonder we gave it short shrift.

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