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Re: New Lockdown

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:59 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:57 pm
It’s not unreasonable for shop staff to wear them. It’s not like it’s hard work. Shop workers in Greece were wearing them in 30 degree heat but British snowflakes can’t cope? Give me strength.
Some do, some don't, but I see people every weekend complaining at being asked to wear them whilst doing their shopping.

There were people on here being dickish about being asked to wear one, claiming they'd refuse and how would they pay for their fuel, they'd have to drive off etc, but apparently I'm the selfish one.... Sure

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:01 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:59 pm
Some do, some don't, but I see people every weekend complaining at being asked to wear them whilst doing their shopping.

There were people on here being dickish about being asked to wear one, claiming they'd refuse and how would they pay for their fuel, they'd have to drive off etc, but apparently I'm the selfish one.... Sure
We were talking about shop workers, you said you’d refuse to wear one at work.

Customers who won’t wear them are scumbags

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by Inchy » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:01 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:55 pm
You're more likely to be in direct contact with an infected person, that's the risk you take in your job and you're already well aware of those risks.
Shop workers are less likely to be in contact with an infected person to the best of their knowledge.

Surgical masks are not only to protect those wearing them, they are to protect others. If I was working in tescos the only customers who shouldn’t be wearing a face masks are those Vulnerable with respiratory issues. Those people really don’t want covid. If I’m a 20 year old working in Tesco and I get covid asymptomatically then in could be putting those vulnerable at risk by not wearing a mask

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by Pearcey » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:04 pm

Maybe try doing what Sunderland is doing to avoid lockdown?
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Re: New Lockdown

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:04 pm

Inchy wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:01 pm
Surgical masks are not only to protect those wearing them, they are to protect others. If I was working in tescos the only customers who shouldn’t be wearing a face masks are those Vulnerable with respiratory issues. Those people really don’t want covid. If I’m a 20 year old working in Tesco and I get covid asymptomatically then in could be putting those vulnerable at risk by not wearing a mask
Plenty of people swanning around shopping with no masks, see it daily.

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by Inchy » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:04 pm

The government will have to make a decision as to what’s important soon
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Re: New Lockdown

Post by Gordaleman » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:05 pm

mealdeal wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:39 pm
No surprise when you've got lines of perfectly healthy people queueing opposite Tesco car park to be tested
You must be very clever if you can tell those people haven't got Covid 19 just by looking at them? Maybe the government can give you a job and we can save a fortune by not having to do tests?
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Re: New Lockdown

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:06 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:01 pm
We were talking about shop workers, you said you’d refuse to wear one at work.

Customers who won’t wear them are scumbags
I don't have to wear one, I'm stood behind one of those new plastic screens, but again if I had to work the shop floor I wouldn't want to wear one.

There were plenty of potential scumbags on here months ago who were adamant they wouldn't wear one during the main part of the pandemic /lockdown.

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by Inchy » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:06 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:04 pm
Plenty of people swanning around shopping with no masks, see it daily.
I know. Some people are selfish

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:08 pm

Inchy wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:06 pm
I know. Some people are selfish
I wear mine when I'm shopping, so I'm guessing I'm only half selfish

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:08 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:06 pm
I don't have to wear one, I'm stood behind one of those new plastic screens, but again if I had to work the shop floor I wouldn't want to wear one.

There were plenty of potential scumbags on here months ago who were adamant they wouldn't wear one during the main part of the pandemic /lockdown.
Nobody wants to wear one. The ones who won’t wear one went told to do so are unbelievably selfish.

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:09 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:08 pm
I wear mine when I'm shopping, so I'm guessing I'm only half selfish
You said you would refuse to wear one at work!

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:13 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:09 pm
You said you would refuse to wear one at work!
Note the part where I said when I'm shopping.
I've never refused to wear one when shopping, nor complained when I've been refused entry somewhere for not having one.
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Re: New Lockdown

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:14 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:08 pm
Nobody wants to wear one. The ones who won’t wear one went told to do so are unbelievably selfish.
I just don't want to wear one for 8 hours at a time, that's all.

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by mealdeal » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:14 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:05 pm
You must be very clever if you can tell those people haven't got Covid 19 just by looking at them? Maybe the government can give you a job and we can save a fortune by not having to do tests?
Yeah I am.

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by DCWat » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:17 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:14 pm
I just don't want to wear one for 8 hours at a time, that's all.
I can understand not wanting to, they’re not pleasant to wear, particularly if it’s not a sedentary role.

It would however make sense asking everyone to wear them. Colleagues not wearing them are putting themselves and others at risk.

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:18 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:13 pm
Note the part where I said when I'm shopping.
I've never refused to wear one when shopping, nor complained when I've been refused entry somewhere for not having one.
You said

“I wouldn't do it in my weekend job, I'd refuse.”

Your words not mine.

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by mealdeal » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:19 pm

DCWat wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:17 pm
I can understand not wanting to, they’re not pleasant to wear, particularly if it’s not a sedentary role.

It would however make sense asking everyone to wear them. Colleagues not wearing them are putting themselves and others at risk.
Masks are working great aren’t they, that’s why ‘infections’ are falling like a rock
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Re: New Lockdown

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:20 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:18 pm
You said

“I wouldn't do it in my weekend job, I'd refuse.”

Your words not mine.
Yes I did, well done.
I've also said I wear one everytime I'm shopping there is a difference.

Anything else?

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by Inchy » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:22 pm

mealdeal wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:19 pm
Masks are working a great aren’t they, that’s why ‘infections’ are falling like a rock


No masks, even FFP3, provide complete protection from covid. Distancing provides much better protection.

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by mealdeal » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:23 pm

Inchy wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:22 pm
No masks, even FFP3, provide complete protection from covid. Distancing provides much better protection.
So why all the pissiness about whether people wear them?

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by boatshed bill » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:27 pm

There is no such thing as complete protection.

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by Inchy » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:29 pm

mealdeal wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:23 pm
So why all the pissiness about whether people wear them?


If you’re on a wind up I suggest you go away. It’s not a subject I want winding up about

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by ClaretCraig » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:35 pm

mealdeal wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:23 pm
So why all the pissiness about whether people wear them?
Because even someone with a brain the size of a pea, like yourself, can surely see the difference between coughing into a mask and coughing without one.
Maybe you should post your medical credentials on here for us to admire. I heard that Chris Whitty is looking for a new advisor.
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Re: New Lockdown

Post by bfcjg » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:42 pm

Its obvious masks work, this surge is caused by people basically getting p1ssed in clubs and mingling in large groups without a thought about the community at large.

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:50 pm

bfcjg wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:42 pm
Its obvious masks work, this surge is caused by people basically getting p1ssed in clubs and mingling in large groups without a thought about the community at large.
Plus people returning to office working and schools and university students returning. If only there was a way they could have predicted this might happen!

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by Rileybobs » Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:00 pm

bfcjg wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:42 pm
Its obvious masks work, this surge is caused by people basically getting p1ssed in clubs and mingling in large groups without a thought about the community at large.
How do you come to that conclusion? People are eating at restaurants, going to pubs, going to work, going to school and nursery, travelling on public transport. Why are you so confident that a surge is caused by people getting p!ssed in clubs, bearing in mind clubs are closed?

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by burnmark » Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:02 pm


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Re: New Lockdown

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:07 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:00 pm
How do you come to that conclusion? People are eating at restaurants, going to pubs, going to work, going to school and nursery, travelling on public transport. Why are you so confident that a surge is caused by people getting p!ssed in clubs, bearing in mind clubs are closed?
Like the government always have a group to blame to take the focus away from sheer incompetence and corruption like appointing mates like Dido Harding!
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Re: New Lockdown

Post by bfcjg » Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:08 pm

If you look at them pictures the majority in the club scare sprawled all each other.

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by BurnleyFC » Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:09 pm

Boris can stick his new COVID restrictions up his own and his grouse shooting cronies arses.
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Re: New Lockdown

Post by claret2018 » Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:16 pm

Does anyone think people will stick to any new lockdown rules? I think the vast majority will carry on as normal, but wear a mask in the shops and keep a sensible distance from people.

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by Rileybobs » Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:21 pm

bfcjg wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:08 pm
If you look at them pictures the majority in the club scare sprawled all each other.
I’ve not seen any pictures from clubs as they are supposed to be closed by law. I don’t doubt there have been some illegal gatherings but I think it’s a stretch to conclude that the relatively minute number of people who attend these things are more responsible for a rise in cases than people going back to school, work, university or eating at restaurants etc.

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by Dyched » Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:23 pm

The thing is with these masks is. If you don’t put a fresh one on every single time you move it/take it off, you might as well not bother wearing one.

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by burnmark » Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:32 pm

claret2018 wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:16 pm
Does anyone think people will stick to any new lockdown rules? I think the vast majority will carry on as normal, but wear a mask in the shops and keep a sensible distance from people.
I’ll abide by everything except my kids going to grandparents’ houses. There’s not a chance I can get a four and a seven year old to and from school without them.

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by Wellsy1882 » Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:32 pm

What a crock of ****

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:34 pm

Dido Harding really is the Shebby Singh of politics.

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by Inchy » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:03 pm

The government have a decision to make.

The current guidelines make little sense. Half trying to protect people and half trying to protect the economy. In reality it’s doing neither. It’s confusing people, it seems contradictory, it’s effecting people health and well being in other ways, and it’s having untold effects on the NHS.

The government should either go hard on lockdown. Enforce masks and more so social distancing until a solution is found. Crack down on rule breakers

Or

Aim to protect the vulnerable, and get everyone else back to work. Open up and go for herd immunity (although unclear if that even works with covid)

The latter will result in many direct deaths from covid. Both young and old but mainly old.

However how many will die indirectly from covid? The economy is tanking and when that happens people always suffer
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Re: New Lockdown

Post by dsr » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:09 pm

ksrclaret wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:02 pm
At least we'll still be able to go grouse shooting. Thankfully we have people in charge who are really in touch with the needs of the population.
Yes, people are allowed to gather in groups of thirty to play football or go shooting. I can see why you're opposed to both football and shooting being allowed to continue; I wouldn't agree, though.

What gets my goat is the many people who sneer at the shooters while not at all bothered about the footballers. To support the playing of football while opposing the meeting of shooters can surely only be a matter of class prejudice, and nothing to do with coronavirus prevention.

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by mdd2 » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:10 pm

Dyched wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:23 pm
The thing is with these masks is. If you don’t put a fresh one on every single time you move it/take it off, you might as well not bother wearing one.
Then keep it on for the day as I have to for 10 hours apart from drinks and dont get it wet

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by chipbutty » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:15 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:57 pm
It’s not unreasonable for shop staff to wear them. It’s not like it’s hard work. Shop workers in Greece were wearing them in 30 degree heat but British snowflakes can’t cope? Give me strength.
Just been in a shop in town and a Greek customer sad "I can`t believe these British can wear a mask in this cold weather"

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by Wellsy1882 » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:18 pm

Its tyranny

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by Boss Hogg » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:25 pm

dsr wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:09 pm
Yes, people are allowed to gather in groups of thirty to play football or go shooting. I can see why you're opposed to both football and shooting being allowed to continue; I wouldn't agree, though.

What gets my goat is the many people who sneer at the shooters while not at all bothered about the footballers. To support the playing of football while opposing the meeting of shooters can surely only be a matter of class prejudice, and nothing to do with coronavirus prevention.
It isn’t just a ‘class’ of people that go shooting. You can do this as an individual too without meeting. It’s about organised sport where there is structure supposedly. I have seen junior football though where some ( not all ) parents disregard social distancing as well as outside schools.

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by Quickenthetempo » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:37 pm

Wearing masks definitely works.

Everyone who hasn't complied has died, including myself.

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by dsr » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:41 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:05 pm
You must be very clever if you can tell those people haven't got Covid 19 just by looking at them? Maybe the government can give you a job and we can save a fortune by not having to do tests?
I think the point is that you have have coronavirus and still be perfectly healthy. At least in one sense of the phrase. Our bodies are often full of potentially harmful viruses but as lng as it's at a level our body can cope with, it doesn't make us unhealthy.

On the other hand, you can be healthy and still spreading the disease.

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Fri Sep 18, 2020 6:54 am

chipbutty wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:15 pm
Just been in a shop in town and a Greek customer sad "I can`t believe these British can wear a mask in this cold weather"
I’m sure that was funny in your head.

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by BenWickes » Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:09 am

Inchy wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:53 pm
I do, for 13 hours. Not the surgical masks either. A tight FFP3 mask. Also add goggles, full gown and gloves.


Wearing a surgical mask for 8 hours isn’t difficult. Surgeons do it all the time
Agree it's not difficult to wear a mask. My only problem at our work is we have to wear a visor too and it's forever steaming up. Need some little windshield wipers on them :lol:

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by andyh » Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:23 am

Masks stop you from infectingas many others as you otherwise would. They don't protect you.
Every time you pass someone with one on they are helping you stay safe.

It appears mask might be helping even when people are passing on covid by reducing the initial load people are getting which is thought to be one of the reasons the death per case continues to fall.

That said the overall deaths per day from ALL causes is now BELOW what we would statistically expect. Reduction in flu deaths is more than offsetting the Covid deaths. So at some point we have to decide if the lockdown is needed and whether having lots of non fatal cases is ok so not worth the devastating effect it is having on the economy.

For me masks-good lockdown-bad.

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:32 am

Looks like we are possibly heading towards some form of national measures again, so not only are the selfish people who won’t follow the rules risking spreading the virus they also now risking our liberties again.

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by Pimlico_Claret » Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:04 am

Inchy wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:04 pm
The government will have to make a decision as to what’s important soon
They already have - grouse shooting!

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