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Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:28 am
by claretonthecoast1882
Mattster wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:26 am
Those amounts are completely up in the air in the current situation. He's cautious, we all know this, so more likely he'll be considering the things that are set in stone - such as these add ons.
Our net spend last season was £5m, rising to £10m with the second payment for Jay. We're tightening our belts this season by all accounts so not hard to imagine that budget is no more than £10m this season (hence why no rumoured bids have exceeded that amount the £8m bid for Quaison, £4m for Worrall etc.). So £1m rising to £2.5m is a significant amount for us, it's not cheap.
Ok
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:31 am
by TomtheClaret
Or Gary
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:32 am
by Stayingup
Cannot have enough experienced players and particularly enough midfield players. A typical Dyche signing. Experienced and toughened up.
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:38 am
by ElectroClaret
Happy with this, provided its followed by a couple more bodies in, particularly a CB and winger.
Good experienced player, can only help.
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:39 am
by FactualFrank
ElectroClaret wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:38 am
Happy with this, provided its followed by a couple more bodies in, particularly a CB and winger.
Good experienced player, can only help.
No need for a CB unless Tarky goes.
Right winger certainly needed though, but I sense SD will prefer a midfielder who can defend.
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:41 am
by warksclaret
Cant believe the negativity bearing in mind our position.I am convinced SD gets an extra 10-15% extra out of players. No other PL manager can do this with low cost players. From what I see Stephens plays in front of the back four and is a bit of a "toughie". Something we have missed since Joey left.. The only real hole for me now is a No 3 ranking CH. This keeps our defense strong-which is our huge strength and something we base our results on(I am assuming Tarks is staying)). Barnesy is coming back giving great competition in attack. Will be great to have two attackers on the bench and a serious CH. Josh can go RW until JBG comes back-personally I prefer Josh there though he has filled in well for Corky
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:50 am
by matttheclaret
Steve1956 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:45 am
You are very very easily pleased.
Not so much easily pleased, more just realistic.
Just out of interest, what are/were you expecting out of this window?
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:51 am
by LordBob
If it happens then I'm happy with that, only taken 4 years so we can then call the gaffer the mountie, always get's his man.
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:51 am
by SalisburyClaret
In the present circumstances, Stephens is a decent signing as a 4th central midfielder and likely to be the back up for Cork. Also allows Brownhill to play on the right when needed
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:52 am
by Downhamclaret
Good player hopefully Will help.keeep the clarets in the premier
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:59 am
by ClaretTony
Mattster wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:15 am
We've plenty of PL experience players. What we desperately need, for the future of the club both financially and on the field, are younger players with sell on potential.
£2.5m +£30k per week for a player a team worse than us doesn't want, that is in the final year of his contract. How much of the budget is that do you reckon? What a waste.
We are short of players including one in central midfield. We are getting a player with good Premier League experience. We have young players in that position who might just be the replacements eventually.
A waste? Costing a minimal amount and could prove to be an outstanding signing.
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:01 pm
by Mattster
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:59 am
We are short of players including one in central midfield. We are getting a player with good Premier League experience. We have young players in that position who might just be the replacements eventually.
A waste? Costing a minimal amount and could prove to be an outstanding signing.
With our budget is it minimal? Bearing in mind we only spent £5m rising to £10m last season and we're apparently worse off now?
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:01 pm
by Mattster
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:01 pm
by CrosspoolClarets
Excellent, allows Brownhill to go wide to cover for Brady and JBG while Corky recovers.
Desperately need a CB now, regardless of Tarky going. Long can only be a 4th choice, Dunne a 5th choice. Neither good enough to be 3rd choice and potentially starting for half a season. That would see us drop for sure. But they are capable for the odd game.
Using my logic, that means if Tarky goes we need two new CBs, replacements for Gibson and Tarky. For today though, we can enjoy the relief of signing Stephens.
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:02 pm
by claretonthecoast1882
Now it all makes sense, he upset you previously.
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:02 pm
by Spijed
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:59 am
We are short of players including one in central midfield. We are getting a player with good Premier League experience. We have young players in that position who might just be the replacements eventually.
A waste? Costing a minimal amount and could prove to be an outstanding signing.
Yes, Westwood didn't cost too much and has turned out to be a brilliant signing.
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:03 pm
by TVC15
Steve1956 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:45 am
You are very very easily pleased.
If we come out of this window signing 2 or 3 players who will improve our squad and not losing Pope, McNeil, Tarks or Taylor then given the well reported difficult financial circumstances we find ourselves in then most realistic fans will be pleased.
Oh...i`ll add Dyche to the list of those we don't want to lose...but unfortunately managers do not have a transfer window !!
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:05 pm
by Mattster
Spijed wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:02 pm
Yes, Westwood didn't cost too much and has turned out to be a brilliant signing.
Westwood was younger than 31 when we signed him. 3 and a half years later he's
still younger than 31.
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:06 pm
by Mattster
Nah. It's wasting our apparently tiny budget on players that will do nothing to strengthen that budget in the future that annoys me.
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:07 pm
by claretonthecoast1882
Mattster wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:06 pm
Nah. It's wasting our apparently tiny budget on players that will do nothing to strengthen that budget in the future that annoys me.
Why post the clip then ?
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:13 pm
by TVC15
Mattster wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:06 pm
Nah. It's wasting our apparently tiny budget on players that will do nothing to strengthen that budget in the future that annoys me.
You do realise that we still have Tarks, Pope, Taylor, McNeil on our books that cost a grand total of around £10m and our conservatively worth at least 10 times that figure now ?
I think we are pretty well covered in the category of buying players who we can or will need to sell in the future. We have done this very successfully under Dyche and Garlick which is why our net spend over the last 8 years is lower than any other Premier League club who have spent as long in the league during this period.
Its hard to think of a transfer window under Dyche where he has not brought in an experienced player - whether we have had lots (for us) to spend or very little to spend like we clearly do in this window.
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:17 pm
by leightonjameslegend
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:10 am
We are still a centre half short even with Tarky. As for Quaison, I’ve been told that ship has sailed.
Yes CT, my point was if Tarky stays we don't need an instant replacement but a younger longer-term option that can grow into the team. Worral seems to be the right age. Shame about Quaison, must be other options within our budget maybe the lad from QPR?
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:20 pm
by lesxdp
Mattster wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:06 pm
Nah. It's wasting our apparently tiny budget on players that will do nothing to strengthen that budget in the future that annoys me.
Apart from helping us to stay in the djvision wjth the rewards that brings. Not always about a sell on fee.
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:21 pm
by Mattster
It's not relevant?
It's Dale Stephens.
About Burnley.
In a thread about Dale Stephens signing for Burnley.
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:27 pm
by claretonthecoast1882
Mattster wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:21 pm
It's not relevant?
It's Dale Stephens.
About Burnley.
In a thread about Dale Stephens signing for Burnley.
Only if someone playing up to the fans of his current club upsets you I guess, bit like what Barton while with us towards Boro.
Only you seem bothered by it so far, I guess more will comment shortly though if they are offended by it.
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:36 pm
by Zlatan
Mattster wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:21 pm
It's not relevant?
It's Dale Stephens.
About Burnley.
In a thread about Dale Stephens signing for Burnley.
nice clip, shows he has a sense of humour.
Didn't Joe Barton have a pop at our fans too? He worked out OK for us...
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:43 pm
by Darthlaw
I think Barton had a pop about us after some mouth breather lobbed that empty coke bottle at him, when QPR played at the Turf.
No issues with Stephens signing from my side. Solid PL experience at a low price and (even better) Dyche has shown, with the likes of Westwood, that he can bring even better performances out of that type of player.
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:44 pm
by scouseclaret
Depressing that signing older players for next-to-nothing is the extent of our ambition, despite all the money the club has accumulated over recent years. Still, if he helps us stay up...
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:44 pm
by Zlatan
Darthlaw wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:43 pm
I think Barton had a pop about us after some mouth breather lobbed that empty coke bottle at him, when QPR played at the Turf.
Mouth breather certainly narrows it down a bit...
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:45 pm
by Bosscat
Mattster wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:21 pm
It's not relevant?
It's Dale Stephens.
About Burnley.
In a thread about Dale Stephens signing for Burnley.
No lad its showing you have no idea ...
Joey Barton made similar comments he didn't turn out to shabby (and older than Dale Stephens too) as have others.
It was a clip from a Brighton fans forum ... if you read their forums, the Brighton fans most are very complimentary about him... I think you need to grow up
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:55 pm
by Granny WeatherWax
Mattster wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:21 pm
It's not relevant?
It's Dale Stephens.
About Burnley.
In a thread about Dale Stephens signing for Burnley.
Sticks and stones, who gives a ****.
Welcome to Burnley, Dale.
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:00 pm
by warksclaret
This has GARLICK FLAVOURING-a great deal for Burnley. We only pay the extra for each year we stay up. Can see MG liked the sound of this-may even have orchestrated it himself
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:05 pm
by BOYSIE31
For that cost a decent stop gap signing
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:07 pm
by Top Claret
Top professional and loved by every club he as played for, he will walk straight into our side.
This is far more sensible than spunking 15 million plus on a unproven 20 year old championship player, or a player from abroad. Dale is a local lad and will settle in immediately.
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:20 pm
by WadingInDeeper
This has got the making of a great piece of business. Experienced premier league player, who the manager presumably believed, and presumably still Does, fits in with his system, still only 31, and potentially weakens a rival.
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:20 pm
by ClaretTony
Top Claret wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:07 pm
Top professional and loved by every club he as played for, he will walk straight into our side.
This is far more sensible than spunking 15 million plus on a unproven 20 year old championship player, or a player from abroad. Dale is a local lad and will settle in immediately.
I’ve removed them now but I had some comments from Brighton fans from four years ago when it looked as though we might get him. They were all positive and the comments over the past 48 hours have been too.
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:25 pm
by Ric_C
Not against stop gap signings in the current climate. I'd even go further and say signing a Dawson and a Snodgrass would be acceptable for this window.
But a wide player is now the priority, as JBG and Brady are currently made of glass.
Imagine signing no wide player before the deadline and then McNeill picks up an injury. We are screwed in that event.
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:27 pm
by Gordaleman
Personally not keen on the idea of signing another over 30 player, but perhaps circumstances dictate that it's necessary.
Certainly the Brighton fans seem to be full of praise for him, so maybe we are getting a very decent player?
https://www.theargus.co.uk/sport/187413 ... nley-deal/
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:27 pm
by Reecey1987
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:20 pm
I’ve removed them now but I had some comments from Brighton fans from four years ago when it looked as though we might get him. They were all positive and the comments over the past 48 hours have been too.
Everyone makes mistakes and says stuff they shouldn't its part of life . Its how we deal with it that matters
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:30 pm
by Gordaleman
Ric_C wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:25 pm
Not against stop gap signings in the current climate. I'd even go further and say signing a Dawson and a Snodgrass would be acceptable for this window.
But a wide player is now the priority, as JBG and Brady are currently made of glass.
Imagine signing no wide player before the deadline and then McNeill picks up an injury. We are screwed in that event.
Bit unfair on JBG. It's a miracle his injury isn't far worse after that horrendous tackle.
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:31 pm
by RingoMcCartney
Not a Marquee signing but a solid one. A fresh face in the ranks has to be a positive.
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:31 pm
by Mattster
Bosscat wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:45 pm
No lad its showing you have no idea ...
Joey Barton made similar comments he didn't turn out to shabby (and older than Dale Stephens too) as have others.
It was a clip from a Brighton fans forum ... if you read their forums, the Brighton fans most are very complimentary about him... I think you need to grow up
Did I pass comment on it? Express upset at it? Anger?
Or did I just share it?
There's only one lot getting all het up about that clip and it's those who are desperate to pass off chucking away a big chunk of our budget on an ageing player who will be our 4th choice centre mid in a mere matter of months, never to recoup any fee, as a good signing.
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:33 pm
by claretonthecoast1882
Mattster wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:31 pm
Did I pass comment on it? Express upset at it? Anger?
Or did I just share it?
There's only one lot getting all het up about that clip and it's those who are desperate to pass off chucking away a big chunk of our budget on an ageing player who will be our 4th choice centre mid in a mere matter of months, never to recoup any fee, as a good signing.
I have £20 on 4/1 that by 3pm you have moved onto we have spent all our budget (rather than some, a big chunk or most of it) on this signing, please could you speed up.
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:46 pm
by Tall Paul
williamjblazkowicz wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:19 am
Judging the signing on its own, I welcome it. It sounds like good value for a player with plenty of Premier League experience who can provide competition. However, in the wider scheme of things, I am concerned that the average age of our squad continues to creep up. A 28-year-old central midfielder out and replaced with a 31-year-old.
I assume we're finding it harder and harder to identify younger, promising players (such as Brownhill) that are available within our limited budget. However, there will come a point where Garlick is going to have to pull his finger out and make quite a few signings in one window. That's the trouble when you have so many players age 30+ in the squad at any one time. I do worry we're just kicking the can down the road and it will be problematic later.
Isn't that what the U23 signings are for, of which we've signed 5 in this window?
BOYSIE31 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:05 pm
For that cost a decent stop gap signing
What have you done with the real Boysie?
Mattster wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:31 pm
Did I pass comment on it? Express upset at it? Anger?
Or did I just share it?
There's only one lot getting all het up about that clip and it's those who are desperate to pass off chucking away a big chunk of our budget on an ageing player who will be our 4th choice centre mid in a mere matter of months, never to recoup any fee, as a good signing.
All players are ageing.
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:48 pm
by Silkyskills1
Gordaleman wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:30 pm
Bit unfair on JBG. It's a miracle his injury isn't far worse after that horrendous tackle.
Agree. I've been critical of his fitness previously but the challenge on him last week was horrendous and should have been punished. Any player would be out injured after being on the receiving end of that assault.
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:49 pm
by Steve1956
matttheclaret wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:50 am
Not so much easily pleased, more just realistic.
Just out of interest, what are/were you expecting out of this window?
I was expecting nothing,so please forgive me while i go outside and do a few cartwheels of delight,we have signed someone who cant get in the Brighton side,but good luck Dale Stephens i hope it works out
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:57 pm
by Mala591
I think I'm one of the 'few' who were impressed with Brownhill's performances at right side midfield. He linked up well with Lowton (made him look a better player) and got into several dangerous goalscoring positions. Signing Stephens for central midfield will give us a useful option for getting the best out of Brownhill.
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:59 pm
by Damo
Good, solid signing.
I can see him slotting straight into the team, with Brownhill filling in on the right side of midfield, until that position is remedied at least
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:01 pm
by FactualFrank
I think this is a pretty astute signing.
For me, I'd always like us to have 4 central midfielders aiming for 2 places, because if we only had 3, it means no natural central midfielder on the bench should an injury occur, and we're having to swap and change with the likes of McNeil. This then of course means we need cover to replace McNeil, and so on.
Cork, Westwood, Stephens and Brownhill. I think that's a solid midfield 4 for this coming season.
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:02 pm
by Damo
Mattster wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:26 am
Those amounts are completely up in the air in the current situation. He's cautious, we all know this, so more likely he'll be considering the things that are set in stone - such as these add ons.
Add ons, in this instance, and in general are not set in stone.
You only pay them if particular targets are met
