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Re: Harry Wilson

Post by BenWickes » Fri Oct 02, 2020 6:34 pm

Long Time Lurker wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 6:29 pm
I would take Hudson Odoi on loan. However, bringing in players on loan to shore things up is just piling up the work that we will have to do next Season. Work that we should have done this season, but have so far failed to do.

The same way that we had to turn to Drinkwater last Summer, because we didn't do what we needed to do.

It would be a lot simpler if our new recruitment department simply put in the performance that they are being paid to deliver. No other team is struggling as much as we are or having to rely on dusting off the filing cabinets to pull out the names of players they scouted 4 years ago to fill gaps.

More importantly, no other team has initiated a transfer strategy that has dropped themselves in the **** like we have.
Can't argue really. It would give us a year to sort it all out though, hopefully. He'd definitely get game time at present and it'd be his place to lose.

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Re: Harry Wilson

Post by Down_Rover » Fri Oct 02, 2020 6:38 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 5:59 pm
I don’t know why you keep saying that like Eagles wasn’t a good player????
Like I say all about opinions

I didn’t rate Eagles and his career doesn’t suggest he was top drawer.

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Re: Harry Wilson

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Fri Oct 02, 2020 6:43 pm

MACCA wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 6:31 pm
They could spot and recommend the next Messi, sadly it's the guy who signs the cheques who has the last say..
Like Jack Walker not wanting to sign a young French lad called Zidane because they had Tim Sherwood....

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Re: Harry Wilson

Post by NewClaret » Fri Oct 02, 2020 6:45 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 5:34 pm
That, apparently, is where you are likely to be disappointed.
To be honest Tony, my exasperation peaked last weekend. I’ve now given up all hope. Even if we signed a few, I’d still think our management of this window has been exceptionally poor. Won’t be too disappointed, just want the window to be over so we don’t have to watch other clubs signing players while we model various doomsday scenarios.
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Re: Harry Wilson

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Fri Oct 02, 2020 6:46 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 5:59 pm
I don’t know why you keep saying that like Eagles wasn’t a good player????
That's because he wasn't really.

Good in flashes, lacked any real long term consistency and his career shows that.

Aside from a couple of appearances for Utd, he had 2 PL seasons in his career, Burnley and Bolton.
The rest is lower league.
There's a real case to be made that McNeil is already a better player than Eagles ever was.
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Re: Harry Wilson

Post by Reecey1987 » Fri Oct 02, 2020 6:48 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 6:46 pm
That's because he wasn't really.

Good in flashes, lacked any real long term consistency and his career shows that.

Aside from a couple of appearances for Utd, he had 2 PL seasons in his career, Burnley and Bolton.
The rest is lower league.
There's a real case to be made that McNeil is already a better player than Eagles ever was.
Eagles had a lot of problems off the pitch which sadly he never recovered from

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Re: Harry Wilson

Post by warksclaret » Fri Oct 02, 2020 7:05 pm

Eagles may have had some issues , and I know suffered from asthma, but he was a very talented footballer, scoring some sensational goals, and contributing to our promotion under Coyle.I thought he was a tremendous signing by Coyle

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Re: Harry Wilson

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Fri Oct 02, 2020 7:06 pm

Reecey1987 wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 6:48 pm
Eagles had a lot of problems off the pitch which sadly he never recovered from
Treacy style problems or other stuff?

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Re: Harry Wilson

Post by Reecey1987 » Fri Oct 02, 2020 7:10 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 7:06 pm
Treacy style problems or other stuff?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/footb ... g-a-child/ him and his partner lost there child its obviously had an effect on his career

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Re: Harry Wilson

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Fri Oct 02, 2020 7:14 pm

Hedontplayforyou wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 6:33 pm
Have we got new owners on the horizon or not? Would love Garlick to stay on the board and advise with John B but we need a bit more clout if possible
Sooner Garlick hands over the better. Imagine being Dyche earning a club hundreds of millions and not being allowed to spend anything again.
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Re: Harry Wilson

Post by KRBFC » Fri Oct 02, 2020 7:20 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 6:46 pm
That's because he wasn't really.

Good in flashes, lacked any real long term consistency and his career shows that.

Aside from a couple of appearances for Utd, he had 2 PL seasons in his career, Burnley and Bolton.
The rest is lower league.
There's a real case to be made that McNeil is already a better player than Eagles ever was.
As has been mentioned he had off field issues that badly screwed up his career. He was unplayable at times under Coyle and had 10+ goals and assists in 1 season in the Championship with Bolton. Inconsistent like all wingers ever

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Re: Harry Wilson

Post by ewanrob » Fri Oct 02, 2020 7:20 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 4:48 pm
I watched the whole conference and he looked OK to me. All the usual little jokes and he kept smiling to himself at his banter with the press.

I don't know where this idea of him looking angry has come from to be honest. He just told it how it is.
It wasnt anger, but hes clearly sick of answering the same old questions....how many times does he have to say, I've no budget, ask the chairman.

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Re: Harry Wilson

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Oct 02, 2020 7:42 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 7:20 pm
As has been mentioned he had off field issues that badly screwed up his career. He was unplayable at times under Coyle and had 10+ goals and assists in 1 season in the Championship with Bolton. Inconsistent like all wingers ever
And those of field issues were long after he left Burnley. At his best he was outstanding but it wasn’t very often. No level of consistency at all, probably his best spell was under Laws after relegation. Good players are more consistent than he ever came close to being.

And I agree, McNeil has already done more than Eagles did as a Premier League player.
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Re: Harry Wilson

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Fri Oct 02, 2020 7:51 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 7:20 pm
As has been mentioned he had off field issues that badly screwed up his career. He was unplayable at times under Coyle and had 10+ goals and assists in 1 season in the Championship with Bolton. Inconsistent like all wingers ever
His personal tragedy was in 2016 though.

He struggled for consistency throughout his career before then which is why he only had 2 full seasons in the top flight.

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Re: Harry Wilson

Post by Giftonsnoidea » Fri Oct 02, 2020 8:02 pm

Long Time Lurker wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 6:29 pm
I would take Hudson Odoi on loan. However, bringing in players on loan to shore things up is just piling up the work that we will have to do next Season. Work that we should have done this season, but have so far failed to do.

The same way that we had to turn to Drinkwater last Summer, because we didn't do what we needed to do.

It would be a lot simpler if our new recruitment department simply put in the performance that they are being paid to deliver. No other team is struggling as much as we are or having to rely on dusting off the filing cabinets to pull out the names of players they scouted 4 years ago to fill gaps.

More importantly, no other team has initiated a transfer strategy that has dropped themselves in the **** like we have.
Hudson Odoi on the right wing would be amazing but isn’t he a left winger ? :)

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Re: Harry Wilson

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Fri Oct 02, 2020 8:08 pm

Sure Chelsea will really be looking to send us another loan player!

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Re: Harry Wilson

Post by Gordaleman » Fri Oct 02, 2020 8:09 pm

ewanrob wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 7:20 pm
It wasnt anger, but hes clearly sick of answering the same old questions....how many times does he have to say, I've no budget, ask the chairman.
Then it's the press that's at fault for asking the same questions, week in, week out. Maybe that's why he shows frustration? He's fed up of the press, not the board?

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Re: Harry Wilson

Post by randomclaret2 » Fri Oct 02, 2020 8:10 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 8:09 pm
Then it's the press that's at fault for asking the same questions, week in, week out. Maybe that's why he shows frustration? He's fed up of the press, not the board?
:)

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Re: Harry Wilson

Post by Gordaleman » Fri Oct 02, 2020 8:11 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 4:55 pm
As I posted, I didn't see it but I was told he was fine by someone who was actually there. I don't think, sometimes, people understand his sense of humour, like the open cheque book but the other day.
As I just said to someone else.

Maybe it's the press that's at fault for asking the same questions, week in, week out. Maybe that's why he shows frustration? He's fed up of the press, not the board?

You are right about his sense of humour. He was smiling at his own gags throughout.

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Re: Harry Wilson

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Oct 02, 2020 8:15 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 8:11 pm
He's fed up of the press, not the board?
That isn’t my view

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Re: Harry Wilson

Post by JohnDearyMe » Fri Oct 02, 2020 8:16 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 7:14 pm
Sooner Garlick hands over the better. Imagine being Dyche earning a club hundreds of millions and not being allowed to spend anything again.
Agree with that and it is sad that Garlick is tarnishing his legacy so much. Such a disappointment

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Re: Harry Wilson

Post by summitclaret » Fri Oct 02, 2020 8:17 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 8:09 pm
Then it's the press that's at fault for asking the same questions, week in, week out. Maybe that's why he shows frustration? He's fed up of the press, not the board?
Please can you tell us which Board member you are or are related to our friends with?

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Re: Harry Wilson

Post by Gordaleman » Fri Oct 02, 2020 8:17 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 8:15 pm
That isn’t my view
I didn't say it was mine either. I simply asked the question, but it must bug him.

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Re: Harry Wilson

Post by ewanrob » Fri Oct 02, 2020 8:22 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 8:09 pm
Then it's the press that's at fault for asking the same questions, week in, week out. Maybe that's why he shows frustration? He's fed up of the press, not the board?
Board maybe not, Chairman most probably

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Re: Harry Wilson

Post by summitclaret » Fri Oct 02, 2020 8:22 pm

I think the vast majority of fans understand the difficulties of Covid's effect on the budget. However, to go into the next 4 months at least with Kev as our 3rd choice cb and no threat on the right side would be insane. It's not fair on our best manager since Potts.

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Re: Harry Wilson

Post by Longsidelenny1882 » Fri Oct 02, 2020 8:35 pm

Remember the best manager we have every had utc

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Re: Harry Wilson

Post by BOYSIE31 » Fri Oct 02, 2020 8:53 pm

This season will be the start of our massive fall from grace and will then be left with an ageing squad in the championship so could be league 1 in 3 years

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Re: Harry Wilson

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Fri Oct 02, 2020 8:58 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 8:53 pm
This season will be the start of our massive fall from grace and will then be left with an ageing squad in the championship so could be league 1 in 3 years
This is why I like you, such a sunny disposition.
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Re: Harry Wilson

Post by Bigvince » Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:01 pm

Taxi for boysie

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Re: Harry Wilson

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:02 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 8:58 pm
This is why I like you, such a sunny disposition.
You've spelt pity wrong.
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Re: Harry Wilson

Post by Bigvince » Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:03 pm

We’re all doomed, doomed I tell ya!!!!!!!!

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Re: Harry Wilson

Post by BurnleyFC » Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:09 pm

There’s no way we’d go for a player like Hudson-Odoi, little old Burnley has been peddled for far too long for us to even think of approaching a player of his quality.

Garlick out. Garlick Stinks.

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Re: Harry Wilson

Post by andysisson » Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:23 pm

Some guy on twitter with 20k followers is now saying Burnley are close to securing Wilson on a season long loan.
Don’t know to how to link the tweet

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Re: Harry Wilson

Post by karatekid » Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:25 pm

andysisson wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:23 pm

Don’t know to how to link the tweet
Try cloud cuckoo land. 😀
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Re: Harry Wilson

Post by Tribesmen » Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:37 pm

Still anything is possible as we all know strange things happen when the window is going to close

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Re: Harry Wilson

Post by Vegas Claret » Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:46 pm

andysisson wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:23 pm
Some guy on twitter with 20k followers is now saying Burnley are close to securing Wilson on a season long loan.
Don’t know to how to link the tweet
he is an ex agent, seems to have some fairly decent success with his predictions
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Re: Harry Wilson

Post by Gordaleman » Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:04 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:46 pm
he is an ex agent, seems to have some fairly decent success with his predictions
If that turned out to be true, we'd still have enough to bring in Roca or Christie and pay their wages for a year.
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Re: Harry Wilson

Post by Claret Toni » Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:05 pm

Hope that doesn't include a requirement to buy.

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Re: Harry Wilson

Post by MACCA » Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:15 pm

BurnleyFC wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:09 pm
Garlick out. Garlick Stinks.
And has done for a number of years.

Saw through this man years ago, even when the "times were good".
They were good because of someone else, he just rode on the back of it.

Said it before and I'll say it again, Garlick stinks!

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Re: Harry Wilson

Post by Vegas Claret » Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:24 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:04 pm
If that turned out to be true, we'd still have enough to bring in Roca or Christie and pay their wages for a year.
suspect there will be a loan fee, could be a loan with an option to buy - no chance we would commit to it without knowing which league we will be in

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Re: Harry Wilson

Post by TVC15 » Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:26 pm

MACCA wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:15 pm
And has done for a number of years.

Saw through this man years ago, even when the "times were good".
They were good because of someone else, he just rode on the back of it.

Said it before and I'll say it again, Garlick stinks!
Seriously ?
What is it you saw ?

He hasn’t taken a penny out of the club.
He has given the manager more to spend than any chairman has given a Burnley manager in our history
He appointed Dyche
He’s kept Dyche
He commissioned the new training ground

Of course most of the credit has to go to Dyche. But struggling to see how Garlick and rest of the board haven’t played a big part in our success.

Clearly things are not all well at present - but none of us know the details why. There is a lot of uncertainty about the next few years finances.
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Re: Harry Wilson

Post by MACCA » Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:37 pm

TVC15 wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:26 pm
Seriously ?
What is it you saw ?

He hasn’t taken a penny out of the club.
He has given the manager more to spend than any chairman has given a Burnley manager in our history
He appointed Dyche
He’s kept Dyche
He commissioned the new training ground

Of course most of the credit has to go to Dyche. But struggling to see how Garlick and rest of the board haven’t played a big part in our success.

Clearly things are not all well at present - but none of us know the details why. There is a lot of uncertainty about the next few years finances.
I agree

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Re: Harry Wilson

Post by Wokingclaret » Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:52 pm

He didn't appoint Dyche, the joint Chairmen did

He has had the most income of any other Chair of BFC

Yes he kept Dyche

Dyche asked the board to do the training ground

We seem to be in a mess with no communication from the top

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Re: Harry Wilson

Post by Wokingclaret » Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:59 pm

Chris Wilder purring tonight about Brewster, a very happy manager

Oh to have a happy manager

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Re: Harry Wilson

Post by Blyclaret » Fri Oct 02, 2020 11:07 pm

Id be a very worried manager
If i paid 23.5m for a player who never played or scored in premier league.
Brewster could get Wilder the sack.
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Re: Harry Wilson

Post by TVC15 » Fri Oct 02, 2020 11:07 pm

Wokingclaret wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:52 pm
He didn't appoint Dyche, the joint Chairmen did

He has had the most income of any other Chair of BFC

Yes he kept Dyche

Dyche asked the board to do the training ground

We seem to be in a mess with no communication from the top
He was one of the joint chairmen - so yes he did appoint Dyche.

It’s his income (or the boards of which he is the biggest shareholder) and he has given a lot of it to the manager to spend. He could have done what the Oystons did at Blackpool and paid himself an £18m dividend but hasn’t taken a penny out.

I know Dyche asked the board to do the training ground but Garlick made it happen.

Communication has not been great but he’s explained why the finances were at risk and was one of the first Premier League managers to talk to the media about the impact of Covid.

I just don’t get why people are turning on the chairman who has overseen the most successful period in several decades for the club and done it without putting the clubs future at risk. Of course Dyche is the most important person in this success but that does not mean he has done it without the board contributing lots.
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Re: Harry Wilson

Post by Wokingclaret » Fri Oct 02, 2020 11:12 pm

50/50 plus other board members involved

We put the club at risk every season we are in the Championship, look at Bournemouth they have raked in over 100 mill because they had the assets to sell

The Board and Chair has done very little, Dyche and his team has done it for them

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Re: Harry Wilson

Post by Wokingclaret » Fri Oct 02, 2020 11:19 pm

Blyclaret wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 11:07 pm
Id be a very worried manager
If i paid 23.5m for a player who never played or scored in premier league.
Brewster could get Wilder the sack.
Don't worry, he has a squad to play with, we don't

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Re: Harry Wilson

Post by Burnley Ace » Fri Oct 02, 2020 11:20 pm

Wokingclaret wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:59 pm
Chris Wilder purring tonight about Brewster, a very happy manager

Oh to have a happy manager
Purring about paying £23m for a striker who has only played 20 first team games in the Championship!! He has scored 10 goals at club level.

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Re: Harry Wilson

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Fri Oct 02, 2020 11:21 pm

Wokingclaret wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 11:12 pm
50/50 plus other board members involved

We put the club at risk every season we are in the Championship, look at Bournemouth they have raked in over 100 mill because they had the assets to sell

The Board and Chair has done very little, Dyche and his team has done it for them
Stop sniffing the glue.

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