Because Liverpool wanted to sell him but now effectively can’t (or at least wouldn’t get what they wanted for him from an EFL club). So their only option to get him game time is a loan deal.
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But we appeared to be the only team in for him before the first window closed. So it was looking like only a Championship club would have been able to buy him anyway (unlikely), if we didn't take him on loan.
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It would seem from the outside that we are dammed on setting ourselves up for failure which is quite bizzare following our resent League finishes
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It will be interesting to see how his price changes in the next deadline. I reconcile my disappointment in not getting him by thinking has he shown himself to be worth that kind of money? Or, are the same people who are using him as proof of our lack of ambition the very same ones who would be screaming what a waste of money when he turned out to be not the world beater they have built up in their own minds.
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Sitting on the bench for us or playing regularly for Swansea?warksclaret wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:03 amWith no disrespect I am certain Harry Wilson would rather be with us than with Swansea.
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I suspect that if we weren’t meeting their valuation then ‘rewarding’ the fact we didn’t want to pay what they wanted by sending him to Burnley on loan isn’t something Liverpool would have been happy to do.FactualFrank wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:08 amBut we appeared to be the only team in for him before the first window closed. So it was looking like only a Championship club would have been able to buy him anyway (unlikely), if we didn't take him on loan.
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Don't be convinced that we were that serious in any attempts to sign him. I understand that he wasn't actually on the manager's shopping list.FactualFrank wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:08 amBut we appeared to be the only team in for him before the first window closed. So it was looking like only a Championship club would have been able to buy him anyway (unlikely), if we didn't take him on loan.
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So it seems we have Dyche's list, Rigg's list and Garlic's budget. We're now in a position where any potential signing must satisfy all three?ClaretTony wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:52 amI understand that he wasn't actually on the manager's shopping list.
Nice.
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Do you think we have signed any off that list this summer Tony ?
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A listrandomclaret2 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:13 amDo you think we have signed any off that list this summer Tony ?
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I might have not worded it too well giving the suggestion of different people having different lists but I understand the speculation on Wilson was just that, speculation.randomclaret2 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:13 amDo you think we have signed any off that list this summer Tony ?
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Was anybody actually on his list?ClaretTony wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:52 amDon't be convinced that we were that serious in any attempts to sign him. I understand that he wasn't actually on the manager's shopping list.
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& the small question of reducing the wage bill I guess would be a feature also
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If there is a player we are trying to sign that believes he can't make the starting 11, then I for one don't want to sign them, particularly when we have the current weakest squad in the PLBurnley Ace wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:40 amSitting on the bench for us or playing regularly for Swansea?
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They didn't think he could get ahead of a reserve left back on the right wing? No wonder they didn't buy himBurnley Ace wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:40 amSitting on the bench for us or playing regularly for Swansea?
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Because loans still cost money, and we've been told we dont have any of that stuff.
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Dyche's list, I could do with
RW, CB, RB,
Riggs List, places I need to visit to help Sean
Stoke, WBA and Rose grove retirement home
Garlick's list, and I want the change from that £20..
Coffee
Milk
£10 on the electric meter
And an 80th card for Clive Holt
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He wouldn’t get in ahead of Brownhill or JBG on the right. His crossing stats last season were terrible and he’s not a starter in the centre either.
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Is Mike Rigg on Performance Related Pay?
How much does he owe BFC for this farce of a transfer window?
How much does he owe BFC for this farce of a transfer window?
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Not really a lot of point having someone in a role identifying players when we are never going to sign any of them. He may just be there to identify youngsters. The recruitment side of things seems a strange set up at Turf Moor which is surprising considering Garlick’s background.
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Why? Do you know what his remit was? Do you know what part he played, what part Garlick played and what part Dyche played?kentonclaret wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:19 pmIs Mike Rigg on Performance Related Pay?
How much does he owe BFC for this farce of a transfer window?
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Whatever part each of them played in attempting to bring in new players the end result thus far has been Much Ado About Nothing.
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Loan fee for Wilson is 1 million apparently
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And I presume they didnt want it paying in £50 monthly installments?
No wonder we pulled out then, we have secured Stephen's for 2 years for a fee similar to that, and he's our player that we can develop and sell on for a much bigger fee.
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Macca, I'm seriously considering supporting your takeover bid but if you were in charge do you think this is the kind of signing you could have delivered?
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from Burnley website Jan 2020:ClaretTony wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 3:19 pmWhy? Do you know what his remit was? Do you know what part he played, what part Garlick played and what part Dyche played?
'...all of the candidates which Sean and myself interviewed were of a very high calibre. However, Mike stodd out as someone who we feel can help move the club forward in terms of identifying and hiring the best possible footballing talent, both on a national and international basis. It's an era of the club that we need to invest in and approve further, and feel sure that Mike's wealth of experience will be a valuable asset to us...'
27th June:
Burnley have long relied on the English market, with their last overseas import being the £8million signing of Steven Defour from Anderlecht back in August 2016.
That has been down to a limited scouting infrastructure overseas and what Dyche calls a “risk-averse” strategy from the club’s board, wary of the added complications which come with asking players to move to a new country and adapt to a new life as well as a new league.
But Dyche said Mike Rigg, appointed as the club’s technical director in 2018, has worked to improve the club’s networks abroad ahead of what could be a busy summer.
“We have got more depth, more knowledge,” Dyche said. “Mike Rigg has been working hard to give us more knowledge of the European market, so who knows? Watch this space.”
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Quite easily, however I would be supporting the experts and what they believed we needed, and if Wilson wasn't what they wanted I wouldn't have brought him in.Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:41 pmMacca, I'm seriously considering supporting your takeover bid but if you were in charge do you think this is the kind of signing you could have delivered?
I would need a decent poker win or big bet to come in though before we can even dream of getting a proper fan back making the decisions again.
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You've got my backing but I'm not holding my breath on the big poker win happeningMACCA wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:47 pmQuite easily, however I would be supporting the experts and what they believed we needed, and if Wilson wasn't what they wanted I wouldn't have brought him in.
I would need a decent poker win or big bet to come in though before we can even dream of getting a proper fan back making the decisions again.
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Absolutely tangential to this post. But didn’t we have a reserve full back in the 70s called Harry Wilson ?
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I’m sure it gets a mention further up the thread but Harry Wilson made his debut for us in 1971 and Brian Clough bought him from us for Brighton. He was back at Burnley for some years as youth coach too.CharlieinNewMexico wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:39 amAbsolutely tangential to this post. But didn’t we have a reserve full back in the 70s called Harry Wilson ?
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Confirmed that Harry Wilson is going to Cardiff on a season long loan at a fee of £1.2m .....
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So after all the furore Harry Wilson has ended up in the Championship on Loan again, you could even argue that he's gone down a level as he was at Bournemouth last season, and if he's so highly rated how come no other PL clubs were in for him.
It looks like we've avoided an expensive flop by not committing to the crazy asking price Liverpool demanded.
I'm curious how Cardiff can suddenly afford a loan fee of £1m+, it was only a few weeks ago they were pleading poverty, and now they're splashing the cash.
It looks like we've avoided an expensive flop by not committing to the crazy asking price Liverpool demanded.
I'm curious how Cardiff can suddenly afford a loan fee of £1m+, it was only a few weeks ago they were pleading poverty, and now they're splashing the cash.
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Signed for Cardiff for 1 million on loan and Cardiff paying his full wages 60 k a week . Liverpool know how to get good deals
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The right winger that could have been good on loan was Knockhart. Got to admire Chris Hughton-appointed a few days ago, confirmed his back room staff today and secures Knockhart today also, who is a proper right sided winger. He was brilliant in his time at Leicester and Brighton, That's how its done guys
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Forest are minted to the max & now they have a half decent manager I'd expect them to be in & around the playoff mixer at the end of the season, CH would have had reassurances before he agreed to the job.
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Are you serious? Every time he's been at a club that's reached the Premier League, they've got rid of him. Leicester to Standard Liege and then Brighton, Brighton to Fulham and now Fulham to Nottingham Forest. I think that tells you how well equipped he is for the Premier League. Apart from three Premier League starts for Leicester, the only manager ever to use him in the Premier League has been Chris Hughton.warksclaret wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:10 pmThe right winger that could have been good on loan was Knockhart
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After the new welsh regulations , is Wilson allowed into Wales from Liverpool ?
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£60k pw. Was never coming here then!Reecey1987 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:03 pmSigned for Cardiff for 1 million on loan and Cardiff paying his full wages 60 k a week . Liverpool know how to get good deals
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This thread may as well be locked. Unless we're going to be discussing Wilson every time he plays a game for Cardiff.
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He has played 84 games in the PL and many more in the Championship including the majority of games last year for Fulham. Watched him play for Leicester quite a few times in the Championship and on his day he was a real threat, as he was against us for Brighton the year we won the Championship, particularly our away game. He is still only 28 and with somone like SD managing him he could have been a threat. Its obvious Hughton rates himClaretTony wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:25 pmAre you serious? Every time he's been at a club that's reached the Premier League, they've got rid of him. Leicester to Standard Liege and then Brighton, Brighton to Fulham and now Fulham to Nottingham Forest. I think that tells you how well equipped he is for the Premier League. Apart from three Premier League starts for Leicester, the only manager ever to use him in the Premier League has been Chris Hughton.
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Dont forget Tony-we cant afford to recruit from the PL, infact at the moment it appears we can't afford to buy at all
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Might as well leave it open so we can discuss other clubs new signings. Not like we have any of our own!FactualFrank wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:31 pmThis thread may as well be locked. Unless we're going to be discussing Wilson every time he plays a game for Cardiff.
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I'd love to know how Cardiff are funding his 60k a week wages, it was only a couple of months ago that they were claiming to be in financial difficulties, now they're forking out on daft wages, well if it goes pear-shaped for them don't expect any sympathy from me.Reecey1987 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:03 pmSigned for Cardiff for 1 million on loan and Cardiff paying his full wages 60 k a week . Liverpool know how to get good deals
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And there asking for hand outs from the Premier league to bail them outtiger76 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:30 pmI'd love to know how Cardiff are funding his 60k a week wages, it was only a couple of months ago that they were claiming to be in financial difficulties, now they're forking out on daft wages, well if it goes pear-shaped for them don't expect any sympathy from me.
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Mendez-Laing's wages will go towards it after he "disappeared" over the Summer.
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Knockaert, as Tony mentions, has never done it in the PL. Can be very good in the Championship but not good enough in the PL. Not the greatest of attitudes either by all accounts.
Has gone on loan to Forest which says it all.
Has gone on loan to Forest which says it all.
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When a player is got rid of by three promoted clubs to drop back into the Championship it says everything for me. Virtually all of his Premier League games were for Hughton. You refer to him playing well against us but then point out it was in the Championship.warksclaret wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:05 pmHe has played 84 games in the PL and many more in the Championship including the majority of games last year for Fulham. Watched him play for Leicester quite a few times in the Championship and on his day he was a real threat, as he was against us for Brighton the year we won the Championship, particularly our away game. He is still only 28 and with somone like SD managing him he could have been a threat. Its obvious Hughton rates him
Dont forget Tony-we cant afford to recruit from the PL, infact at the moment it appears we can't afford to buy at all
I can’t imagine a player less likely to fit in with a Dyche team to be honest.