ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by arise_sir_charge » Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:45 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 12:24 pm
Just move Burnley into Lowerhouse while the work is done. There is only one real club anyway.

We can put a picture up somewhere detailing ‘houses’ 15 year history.
Not a bad idea, Lowerhouse could probably fit the entire membership of Burnley CC in the room under the scorebox so they are more than welcome.

On a more practical and serious point. The nature of Lancashire League cricket makes any form of 'ground share' very difficult.
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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Paul Waine » Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:46 pm

KateR wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 1:27 pm
If it should happen, expect the re-naming of Turf Moor to be one the first things, Walmart Field anyone?
Hi Kate, don't you think Lidl Turf Moor and Lidl Burnley have more of a familiar ring to them?

We will all be against "selling out" and adding a brand name.... until someone explains that it will provide the money needed to keep Tarky or Pope or even Sean Dyche for another season...

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Gordaleman » Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:47 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:43 pm
whilst it's not a huge revenue stream (every penny counts to us) I'd love to know the reasons why a PL club only released their away strip the day before the season started - it's this kind of shambolic stuff that I hope whoever comes in fixes. That's not to say our current board are crap, the training ground looks amazing........I'm pointing the finger at the marketing and business development departments specifically
Maccas point has been made years ago when Burnley tried to buy the Cricket Club for exactly that sort of development.

See my post above for why it fell through.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Chester Perry » Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:47 pm

KateR wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 1:27 pm
If it should happen, expect the re-naming of Turn Moor to be one the first things, Walmart Field anyone?
It is surprising just how little that is thought to be worth by the industry experts (a legacy of being in continuous use for such a long period) - you can probably get similar value by doing the stands individually and still preserve the ground's name
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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Vegas Claret » Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:50 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:47 pm
Maccas point has been made years ago when Burnley tried to buy the Cricket Club for exactly that sort of development.

See my post above for why it fell through.
yep I read it, guessing it was down to us offering the CC 4 boxes of twix to have the space ! :D

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Vegas Claret » Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:52 pm

KateR wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 1:27 pm
If it should happen, expect the re-naming of Turn Moor to be one the first things, Walmart Field anyone?
Clearly the Twix Arena would be the name of choice
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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Paul Waine » Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:52 pm

How are they going to add a spur to the M65, plus the carparking spaces (all with elec charges, of course) so that the 40,000 home fans, plus 4,000 away fans (10%) and the 4,000 visiting (tourist) fans can all get there in comfort?

Mentioning elec charging, makes me think one of the long since closed old power station sites, maybe even an old coal mine, would be a good place to build the New Turf Moor.

"New Turf" has got a nice ring to it. Is there a link there could be made to New Church?

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Billy Balfour » Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:53 pm

I'd ask ALK what's in it for them and what are their expectations. A truthful answer would save you the time in asking a whole heap of questions.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Gordaleman » Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:54 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:50 pm
yep I read it, guessing it was down to us offering the CC 4 boxes of twix to have the space ! :D
I don't think you did read it. The price was agreed but the Lower Townely residents objected to the Cricket Club moving there.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Dyched » Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:55 pm

I thought Macca spent bought the cricket club a few years back for £10m?

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by arise_sir_charge » Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:11 pm

Just another point to consider in respect of the Burnley FC and Burnley CC relationship.

For the cricket club, Burnley FC is effectively the goose that lays the golden egg. They are pretty much unique in their positioning (directly next to a Premier League football ground) and it means that when the football club prospers so (financially) do Burnley CC. The flip is that if the football club stumble (80's anybody) then the main source of income near evaporates.

So, as Gordale says "why should the cricket club move".....However, if the football club can't meet their own ambitions because of an intransigence on the part of the cricket club then they may be forced to move themselves. That leaves the cricket club with no goose to lay golden eggs and adjoined by whatever the football club decide to do with the land.

So, as with all these things there will be a deal of some sort to be done. A fully paid facility that makes the cricket club self sufficient, is income generating in the long term (multi use perhaps) and a lump of rainy day money probably get's all parties where they need to be. That's what I'd be looking for if I was running Burnley CC.
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Re: ALK Capital...

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Somethingfishy » Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:16 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 12:21 pm
That would be interesting
It would be both painful and hilarious to see Lowerhouses ground with 20/30 fans on watching a Burnley game. Going off what i saw the other week and last season that seems to be the regular support. One club in Burnley my ****. Only one that attracts people watching that is for sure. We would have to fumigate the place after every Burnley game too :lol:

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Somethingfishy » Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:24 pm

MACCA wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 1:20 pm
They could ground share with Belvedere, it would certainly help increase the attendances, theres a couple dozen or so up there every saturday watching the various sports on offer.
:lol: :lol:

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Vegas Claret » Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:32 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:54 pm
I don't think you did read it. The price was agreed but the Lower Townely residents objected to the Cricket Club moving there.
I read this, assumed this was your post you were referring to
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Burnley have wanted to buy the cricket ground for years, so as to develop the football ground and maybe build hotel and conference facilities there. If this American company can make them a big offer, an offer they can't refuse, it might happen quicker than people think."

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:34 pm

arise_sir_charge wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:45 pm
Not a bad idea, Lowerhouse could probably fit the entire membership of Burnley CC in the room under the scorebox so they are more than welcome.
Ah yes the Lowerhouse Trophy Room as its otherwise known.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by BenWickes » Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:44 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:32 pm
I read this, assumed this was your post you were referring to
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Burnley have wanted to buy the cricket ground for years, so as to develop the football ground and maybe build hotel and conference facilities there. If this American company can make them a big offer, an offer they can't refuse, it might happen quicker than people think."
This was certainly brought up in meetings I believe. The CF stand and cricket club were on the agenda. All four stands were but this is the main one.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Gordaleman » Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:49 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:32 pm
I read this, assumed this was your post you were referring to
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Burnley have wanted to buy the cricket ground for years, so as to develop the football ground and maybe build hotel and conference facilities there. If this American company can make them a big offer, an offer they can't refuse, it might happen quicker than people think."
The post I was referring to was the one from years ago. However, development might still happen if the cricket club is offered a big enough cheque by anyone who takes BFC over. Maybe quite quickly, but these Americans might have totally different ideas.
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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Wile E Coyote » Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:56 pm

just out of curiosity, how popular is the cricket at Burnley next to the turf? I have never been a fan, and I genuinely don't know.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Gordaleman » Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:08 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:56 pm
just out of curiosity, how popular is the cricket at Burnley next to the turf? I have never been a fan, and I genuinely don't know.
Not sure myself these days but the cricket club bar is always very popular with away fans on match days. It's one of their main revenue streams. Another reason they may not want to be kicked out.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by arise_sir_charge » Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:14 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:34 pm
Ah yes the Lowerhouse Trophy Room as its otherwise known.
That's the one, I am sure they will move the 2017 Lancs KO and 2018 Worlsey Cup somewhere out of sight, they wouldn't want you to have flashbacks of the semi and the final.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Mala591 » Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:14 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:49 pm
The post I was referring to was the one from years ago. However, development might still happen if the cricket club is offered a big enough cheque by anyone who takes BFC over. Maybe quite quickly, but these Americans might have totally different ideas.
Is it big enough for a baseball pitch?

:o

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Gordaleman » Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:15 pm

Mala591 wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:14 pm
Is it big enough for a baseball pitch?

:o
Wash your mouth out. :lol:

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:24 pm

arise_sir_charge wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:14 pm
That's the one, I am sure they will move the 2017 Lancs KO and 2018 Worlsey Cup somewhere out of sight, they wouldn't want you to have flashbacks of the semi and the final.
Absolutely. The heart breaks a little more each time your rivals win a title doesn’t it.
:D

Anyway let’s hope the illustrious history of Burnley CC continues unabated with whatever the outcome of this takeover is.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by summitclaret » Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:26 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:15 pm
Wash your mouth out. :lol:
Talking of which. What American name do people think we would get after Burnley if they want to do a Hull?

Buffaloes
Bisons

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by IanMcL » Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:39 pm

British

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by BenWickes » Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:41 pm

summitclaret wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:26 pm
Talking of which. What American name do people think we would get after Burnley if they want to do a Hull?

Buffaloes
Bisons
Bees and we'll be switching to yellow and black kits... ;)
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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Gordaleman » Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:41 pm

summitclaret wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:26 pm
Talking of which. What American name do people think we would get after Burnley if they want to do a Hull?

Buffaloes
Bisons
Hopefully nothing. Burnley is just fine.

By the way, the plural of Bison, is Bison. Buffalo is the same but Americans do seem to add an 's' with regard to teams for some reason.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by maccclaret » Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:47 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:41 pm
By the way, the plural of Bison, is Bison. Buffalo is the same but Americans do seem to add an 's' with regard to teams for some reason.
That’s bol10ck
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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Gordaleman » Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:49 pm

maccclaret wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:47 pm
That’s bol10ck
Google it.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by IanMcL » Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:55 pm

I have returned to post on this, just as I joined Clarets Mad, when the ground was to be sold, all those years ago.

Investment is required.
There will ve a real loss of identity, for the club and maybe even the town.

Rather than all those frightening thoughts of changing everything, if we can retain our Prem status, without debt, then the one thing Yanks are good at is marketing.

Anywhere else in the world, it is irrelevant what size of town we are and how we are huffing and puffing to succeed against all odds.

We are a reasonably well established one of 20 in the world's most watched league.

The merchandise and exposure that offers is limitless.

Sadly, BFC still thinks 20k attendance and maybe we can post the odd scarf out.

What I would not like is a spend, spend, spend, write off debt, oh dear bye bye Burnley.

Up the Clarets.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Paul Waine » Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:58 pm

TsarBomba wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:39 pm
MACCA makes a fair point.

If there is going to be investment in the area, then the infrastructure to support that will need a huge uplift. There’s a ridiculous shortage of hotels/beds in and around Burnley. This has been well discussed on here before.

Redeveloping the CFS, and bolting on say a 120 bed hotel, with restaurants, bars etc is potentially the way forward. This would also entice new fans who want a modern match day experience, and also be somewhere for businessman Monday-Friday for work.

There’ll be some grumpy old timers who think a pie and pint is perfectly acceptable, but if we’re serious about increasing all revenue streams then we need to get with the times. You only have to look at Spurs’ new ground, it’s unbelievable.
There must be an AirBnB opportunity for many of the posters on here to let out a room for our new fans travelling from outside the area. ;)

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Goobs » Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:08 pm

Surely if a takeover happens and the new owners want to expand and the cricket club won't move then the land down near crow wood would be a perfect place to build a new stadium? Barely out of the town centre, fantastic access and a nice shiny hotel and spa next door.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Paul Waine » Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:11 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:55 pm
I have returned to post on this, just as I joined Clarets Mad, when the ground was to be sold, all those years ago.

Investment is required.
There will ve a real loss of identity, for the club and maybe even the town.

Rather than all those frightening thoughts of changing everything, if we can retain our Prem status, without debt, then the one thing Yanks are good at is marketing.

Anywhere else in the world, it is irrelevant what size of town we are and how we are huffing and puffing to succeed against all odds.

We are a reasonably well established one of 20 in the world's most watched league.

The merchandise and exposure that offers is limitless.

Sadly, BFC still thinks 20k attendance and maybe we can post the odd scarf out.

What I would not like is a spend, spend, spend, write off debt, oh dear bye bye Burnley.

Up the Clarets.
That's a very good point you make, Ian. So far as the Premier League fans are concerned, Burnley is one of the teams in the UK's "northern powerhouse metropolitan area, alongside other "legends" of football, Manchester United, Manchester City, Liverpool and Everton. If their geography is really expansive, Sheffield United and Leeds may also be drawn into this "world footballing metropolis." I've also heard it said that some place Newcastle in the northern powerhouse - but, that really is a big stretch for me.

Note: I'm speaking of "legends of football" as I'm adopting "marketing speak." Give me a few more minutes and I can add more "spin" to the greatness of the area. How about, "from the region that made the bricks that built the Empire States Building" - does that have a ring of permanence and strength to it? OK, Accrington is just down the road - absolutely, just behind the Cricket Field Stand in global terms.
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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by KateR » Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:12 pm

BenWickes wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:41 pm
Bees and we'll be switching to yellow and black kits... ;)
I think killer bees will have a better ring to it

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by dougcollins » Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:21 pm

Barracuda.

And they can play the Heart song as entrance music.
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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by bfcmik » Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:37 pm

Somethingfishy wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:16 pm
It would be both painful and hilarious to see Lowerhouses ground with 20/30 fans on watching a Burnley game. Going off what i saw the other week and last season that seems to be the regular support. One club in Burnley my ****. Only one that attracts people watching that is for sure. We would have to fumigate the place after every Burnley game too :lol:
As a Lowerhouse fan in the 70s and early 80s I can tell you that 20/30 fans would have been reckoned a good crowd back then. I think anyone casually walking down Liverpool Rd or along Lowerhouse Lane was shanghaied over the fence/wall!
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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Claretmatt4 » Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:58 pm

Burnley Bees anyone?
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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Wile E Coyote » Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:12 pm

I dont think there will any attempt to "Americanise " the club.
if they did that fans would vote with their feet.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Burnley Ace » Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:23 pm

summitclaret wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:26 pm
Talking of which. What American name do people think we would get after Burnley if they want to do a Hull?

Buffaloes
Bisons
Burnley Aces
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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by ŽižkovClaret » Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:27 pm

Did often wonder if Lowerhouse could run a park and ride from the club before and after Burnley Home games outside of cricket season to get a bit of the football money.

Could even do a prestige canal barge based option.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Grumps » Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:31 pm

ZizkovClaret wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:27 pm


Could even do a prestige canal barge based option.
Man Utd do those from castlefield..... Very enjoyable I believe

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by summitclaret » Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:32 pm

See you in Gannow Tunnel.
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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Devils_Advocate » Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:38 pm

ZizkovClaret wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:27 pm
Did often wonder if Lowerhouse could run a park and ride from the club before and after Burnley Home games outside of cricket season to get a bit of the football money.

Could even do a prestige canal barge based option.
Its a nice thought but I think the canal at Lowerhouse goes the opposite direction out to Liverpool

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Somethingfishy » Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:44 pm

A one way canal...an interesting concept ;) :)
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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Steddyman » Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:46 pm

summitclaret wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:26 pm
Talking of which. What American name do people think we would get after Burnley if they want to do a Hull?

Buffaloes
Bisons
Bulldogs
Biffers
B*ll*cks

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by ŽižkovClaret » Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:55 pm

Bastards (in claret and blue)

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by ŽižkovClaret » Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:58 pm

This new hard nosed commercial nous could have all kinds of benefits:

Suicide Squad: New lucrative sponsorship deal with Dignitas
Daz Bentley branded limited edition washing powder
Stan Ternents magic lantern big screen sponsored by Sam(Ellis)sung
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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Clarets4me » Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:59 pm

Goobs wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:08 pm
Surely if a takeover happens and the new owners want to expand and the cricket club won't move then the land down near crow wood would be a perfect place to build a new stadium? Barely out of the town centre, fantastic access and a nice shiny hotel and spa next door.
I'm fairly sure Mr Brown would prefer the rather more genteel sound of leather on willow next to his splendid establishments, than the chants of " Who are yeh ! " penetrating the ears of the lovely ladies who lunch at " Bertrams " etc ... :roll:

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Longsider » Thu Sep 24, 2020 7:23 pm

So. Is it really going to happen?

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