ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Local cricketer · Post by **Local cricketer** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 8:36 am

Grumps wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 11, 2020 8:14 am
Interesting..... What has he said that makes you feel that way about him?

He’s very good in his role in the community. His results speak for themselves. His one club for all mantra will work in the community but not when it’s been rammed down the throat 7 days a week. He is very smarmy

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 9:05 am

Interesting theory funkydrummer, and one I hope is true. DCWat suggested something similar higher up the thread.

It would be a canny play. Assuming ALK have set aside some cash to invest, you would imagine it will not be the bottomless pit an oligarch could bring to the table, so potentially it would be in their interests to ensure they’re not taken to the cleaners in the historically-difficult Jan window.

That said, think their would need to be updates at companies house if it had actually transacted, so it would need to be some form of side arrangement or working on trust if the papers weren’t signed.

Jakubs Tash · Post by **Jakubs Tash** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 9:06 am

As is typically the case after a takeover, I think the CEO's position may be under threat.

Steddyman · Post by **Steddyman** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:05 am

There is no way ALK would provide money for us to invest in the transfer market before a deal to buy the club is concluded.

If it was concluded, then the Premier League would have announced it since they’d have to pass the fitness test.

Herts Clarets · Post by **Herts Clarets** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:10 am

Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 11, 2020 8:31 am
Why would we sign Jones .Hes a crock and has the speed and turning ability of a tortoise
Also we have Jimmy Dunne and Longy as well as U23 defenders all keen to make a mark
Lingard I would sign because I believe Sean could get him back to his best again .Possibly look at a loan with option to buy

Because I believe we will cash in on Tarkowski in January to maximise the fee and to remove a clearly unhappy player from the group to avoid any dressing room disharmony.

Gordaleman · Post by **Gordaleman** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:13 am

Herts Clarets wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:10 am
Because I believe we will cash in on Tarkowski in January to maximise the fee and to remove a clearly unhappy player from the group to avoid any dressing room disharmony.

Maybe Tarks will sign a new contract? Apparently talks have restarted.

Getting the takeover done quickly would certainly help. We would then know how much money is to be made available.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:14 am

No strengthening in January may very well lead to any new owners having a Championship club on their hands which presumably wasnt the plan.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:30 am

Funkydrummer wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 11, 2020 8:26 am
First time posting on this long running saga, which I am confident will complete
in the fullness of time.

For what it's worth, I reckon the money is there to spend but they won't announce completion
until after the January window has firmly shut to avoid clubs inflating the price of players over
and above the normal inflation of prices that are normally demanded in January.

Similarly, it will avoid players and their horrible agents demanding exorbitant fees and salaries.

That's my take on things for what it's worth.

It's a canny game they're playing.

They won't be announcing completion until such time as there is a completion. That has not happened and that's the reason, nothing to do with any transfer window.

conyoviejo · Post by **conyoviejo** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:41 am

Thanks Tony,that's cleared things up.

Jakubs Tash · Post by **Jakubs Tash** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:44 am

Steddyman wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:05 am
There is no way ALK would provide money for us to invest in the transfer market before a deal to buy the club is concluded.

If it was concluded, then the Premier League would have announced it since they’d have to pass the fitness test.

Not sure the Premier League would announce anything....

Funkydrummer · Post by **Funkydrummer** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:31 am

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:30 am
They won't be announcing completion until such time as there is a completion. That has not happened and that's the reason, nothing to do with any transfer window.

That's entirely my point as to why it's not been completed yet. There is always a point of no return
before formal completion that has to be announced to whole world.

I put forward the notion that we are possibly at that point.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 12:07 pm

Funkydrummer wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:31 am
That's entirely my point as to why it's not been completed yet. There is always a point of no return
before formal completion that has to be announced to whole world.

I put forward the notion that we are possibly at that point.

We are not

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 12:14 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 11, 2020 12:07 pm
We are not

Are you able to tell us at what point we are wth things Tony ?

Volvoclaret · Post by **Volvoclaret** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 12:20 pm

Having read all 104 pages (yes I'm a very sad person) I've noticed that some come on here to wine, some get into the spirit of the takeover and some think its a rum do. I say these are stout fellows and welcome the ALKYs

dibraidio · Post by **dibraidio** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 12:34 pm

Volvoclaret wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 11, 2020 12:20 pm
Having read all 104 pages (yes I'm a very sad person) I've noticed that some come on here to wine, some get into the spirit of the takeover and some think its a rum do. I say these are stout fellows and welcome the ALKYs

The trouble is Volvoclaret, people want champagne football on beer money.

Danieljwaterhouse · Post by **Danieljwaterhouse** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 1:03 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 11, 2020 8:31 am
Why would we sign Jones .Hes a crock and has the speed and turning ability of a tortoise
Also we have Jimmy Dunne and Longy as well as U23 defenders all keen to make a mark
Lingard I would sign because I believe Sean could get him back to his best again .Possibly look at a loan with option to buy

Dunne and Long are not Premier league standard week in week out. Both have major limitations that are hidden within our system.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 1:07 pm

Funkydrummer wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:31 am
That's entirely my point as to why it's not been completed yet. There is always a point of no return
before formal completion that has to be announced to whole world.

I put forward the notion that we are possibly at that point.

This thread is long past the point of no return.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 1:25 pm

If a deal is not done in January I don't see why Garlick would make funds available in this window, he didn't in the summer, so what would be the difference?

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 1:33 pm

Once ALK takeover I hope Rigg and the entire recruitment team are gone along with the CEO. Also can we now see the end of Darren Bentley?

Spike · Post by **Spike** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 1:34 pm

Danieljwaterhouse wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 11, 2020 1:03 pm
Dunne and Long are not Premier league standard week in week out. Both have major limitations that are hidden within our system.

Jones isn’t Premier League Standard either and Is injury prone and expensive! We are to get new money then buying rubbish like Jones would see us end up like Sunderland who based their relegations on United cast offs

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 1:44 pm

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 11, 2020 1:33 pm
Once ALK takeover I hope Rigg and the entire recruitment team are gone along with the CEO. Also can we now see the end of Darren Bentley?

What do you know about any of them to think they deserve sacking?

Danieljwaterhouse · Post by **Danieljwaterhouse** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 1:46 pm

Spike wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 11, 2020 1:34 pm
Jones isn’t Premier League Standard either and Is injury prone and expensive! We are to get new money then buying rubbish like Jones would see us end up like Sunderland who based their relegations on United cast offs

Phil Jones is one of the best natural defenders of his generation.

He has suffered injuries, he has suffered because of the label Ferguson put on him, in our system he would be the best defender we’ve had in the modern era.

gandhisflipflop · Post by **gandhisflipflop** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 1:49 pm

Phil Jones isn't PL standard? I know it's about opinions spike but i certainly can't agree with that. The lad is class.

PremierLeagueClass · Post by **PremierLeagueClass** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 1:50 pm

Danieljwaterhouse wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 11, 2020 1:46 pm
Phil Jones is one of the best natural defenders of his generation.

He has suffered injuries, he has suffered because of the label Ferguson put on him, in our system he would be the best defender we’ve had in the modern era.

And with that, I think you’ve destroyed the last shred of credibility you had.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 1:54 pm

Aye - he’s had a great 2 or 3 years as Jones.
On the rare occasions he’s not been injured he’s either been sat on the bench or on the pitch scoring own goals or smashing into his fellow team mates and injuring them !
He’s been nowhere near the form of Mee and Tarks for years now.
It’s not like United have been blessed with decent centre backs recently either and he still can’t get in the team.

But all about opinions and if SD wants him he’s got a good track record I signing defenders.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 2:01 pm

I know we picked up Keane and Dwight from the younger unwanted United set, but when you look at the older, more experienced players United let go, they rarely if ever go on to do owt. They may be a mess of a club in other ways, but they don't normally let people go who are actually much good. And as mentioned above, Sunderland have probably been the biggest "beneficiaries" (

) of that! More fools them!!

arise_sir_charge · Post by **arise_sir_charge** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 2:10 pm

We play in a completely different manner than Man United, if Ben Mee can shine in our system I am certain someone like Phil Jones can.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 2:12 pm

Dark Cloud wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 11, 2020 2:01 pm
I know we picked up Keane and Dwight from the younger unwanted United set, but when you look at the older, more experienced players United let go, they rarely if ever go on to do owt. They may be a mess of a club in other ways, but they don't normally let people go who are actually much good. And as mentioned above, Sunderland have probably been the biggest "beneficiaries" ( ) of that! More fools them!!

I would certainly agree with the majority.

I think they made mistakes selling Lukaku and Smalling recently though.

Danieljwaterhouse · Post by **Danieljwaterhouse** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 2:29 pm

This isn’t the thread for this.

Many in here can’t even begin to fathom our system even though they watch us play it WEEK IN WEEK OUT.

We don’t play with our CBs in the halfway line, we don’t play against low blocks, we don’t play expansive tikatak football.

We are the low block, we are the counter attack...

Therefore we recruit players to suit that model. Tarks and Mee are both outstanding defenders in that system. They’d both be found out at a higher level.

Jones could and can play in both systems. He is a generationally gifted player. I’d suggest he’d be outstanding in our low block system.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 2:34 pm

Generationally gifted player?

That's the first time I've ever seen him called that.

I'd have him at Burnley because I think our system would suit him with the protection it offers, but I don't think he's generationally gifted.

gandhisflipflop · Post by **gandhisflipflop** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 2:34 pm

Danieljwaterhouse wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 11, 2020 2:29 pm
This isn’t the thread for this.

Many in here can’t even begin to fathom our system even though they watch us play it WEEK IN WEEK OUT.

We don’t play with our CBs in the halfway line, we don’t play against low blocks, we don’t play expansive tikatak football.

We are the low block, we are the counter attack...

Therefore we recruit players to suit that model. Tarks and Mee are both outstanding defenders in that system. They’d both be found out at a higher level.

Jones could and can play in both systems. He is a generationally gifted player. I’d suggest he’d be outstanding in our low block system.

Spot on this. You only need to look at Michael Keane for an example of what would happen to Mee or Tarkowski.

Danieljwaterhouse · Post by **Danieljwaterhouse** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 2:39 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 11, 2020 2:34 pm
Generationally gifted player?

That's the first time I've ever seen him called that.

I'd have him at Burnley because I think our system would suit him with the protection it offers, but I don't think he's generationally gifted.

Ferguson would disagree you, as would Southgate. Injuries are the only limiting factor.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 2:57 pm

Danieljwaterhouse wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 11, 2020 2:39 pm
Ferguson would disagree you, as would Southgate. Injuries are the only limiting factor.

Southgate and Phil Jones

3 appearances in Southgates 49 games

1st game Tunisia England played with 3 at the back - Phil Jones unused sub (behind Kyle Walker & John Stones who played)

2nd game Panama England played with 3 at the back - Phil Jones unused sub (behind Kyle Walker & John Stones who played)

3rd game Belgium played as Southgate rested almost all the 1st 11

4th game Colombia England played with 3 at the back - Phil Jones unused sub (behind Kyle Walker & John Stones who played)

5th game Sweden England played with 3 at the back - Phil Jones unused sub (behind Kyle Walker & John Stones who played)

6th game Croatia England played with 3 at the back - Phil Jones unused sub (behind Kyle Walker & John Stones who played)

7th game Belgium played as Southgate gave others a run out due to being the dead rubber game

As good as Phil Jones may be for us if he joined lets not make things up about him

welsbyswife · Post by **welsbyswife** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 3:09 pm

Absolutely bizarre. Thread about a potential take over. Hugely important in the history of the club being dominated by child like bickering over Phil Jones. Utterly pointless. And why do they ping messages back and forth when none of them will ever change their starting position.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 5:20 pm

Not sure how we've ended up bickering over Phil Jones, but just to repeat what's been said on other threads:
Irrespective of his merits versus Tarkowski and Mee, if fit he'd be an absolute shoe -in at Right Back or in midfield, and those are the two areas that most need addressing.
The only real issue, is - as we all recognise - his recent run of injuries.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 5:23 pm

If Tarkowski goes, then Jones would be ace.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 5:33 pm

welsbyswife wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 11, 2020 3:09 pm
Absolutely bizarre. Thread about a potential take over. Hugely important in the history of the club being dominated by child like bickering over Phil Jones.

The thread is nothing to do with Tarkowski, Jones or post counting. It is a key thread on one of the most important issues involving our club in years.

Danieljwaterhouse · Post by **Danieljwaterhouse** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 5:44 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 11, 2020 2:57 pm
Southgate and Phil Jones

3 appearances in Southgates 49 games

1st game Tunisia England played with 3 at the back - Phil Jones unused sub (behind Kyle Walker & John Stones who played)

2nd game Panama England played with 3 at the back - Phil Jones unused sub (behind Kyle Walker & John Stones who played)

3rd game Belgium played as Southgate rested almost all the 1st 11

4th game Colombia England played with 3 at the back - Phil Jones unused sub (behind Kyle Walker & John Stones who played)

5th game Sweden England played with 3 at the back - Phil Jones unused sub (behind Kyle Walker & John Stones who played)

6th game Croatia England played with 3 at the back - Phil Jones unused sub (behind Kyle Walker & John Stones who played)

7th game Belgium played as Southgate gave others a run out due to being the dead rubber game

As good as Phil Jones may be for us if he joined lets not make things up about him

I will see your ignorance and raise you this....

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.skys ... hgate-says

Taffy on the wing · Post by **Taffy on the wing** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 5:49 pm

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 11, 2020 5:53 am
Burnley defenders are renowned for last minute blocks because of the way we play - that's Phil Jones in a nutshell. His injury record is terrible though which would be a huge concern.

He's far from a clown in terms of ability

Ask UTD fans what they think.......he scores a lot of own goals to.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 5:56 pm

Taffy on the wing wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 11, 2020 5:49 pm
Ask UTD fans what they think.......he scores a lot of own goals to.

Do you realise how stupid that sounds? Real Madrid fans would tell you Gareth Bale is awful and the devil, must not be good enough for Burnley then.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 6:05 pm

Taffy on the wing wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 11, 2020 5:49 pm
Ask UTD fans what they think.......he scores a lot of own goals to.

all the United lads I know grew up watching Ferdinand, Vidic, Stam, Bruce, Pallister etc

I'm used to John Pender, Mark Monnington, Steve Blatherwick and Mark Winstanly !!

I don't value the opinion of any Man Utd "fans"

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 6:24 pm

You can get a false impression watching players score own goals on Motd. I remember going to watch us play Man U on the Turf a few years ago and being please to see he was in the team. I walked away thinking he’d been the best player on the pitch.

Andreshotboots · Post by **Andreshotboots** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 6:28 pm

Ben Mee has scored his fair share of OG's too..

Cheshireclaret · Post by **Cheshireclaret** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 6:35 pm

Sir Bobby Charlton and Sir Alex Ferguson both had very high opinions on Phil Jones - the former saying he could be the next Duncan Edwards and the latter saying he could be a United great.

The truth is, he’s still at Manchester United when many others have been jettisoned at the earliest opportunity. If he had escaped injury, and didn’t gurn as often thus becoming a meme-sensation, I suspect the view of him would be very different.

But Sir Bobby Charlton, Sir Alex Ferguson, Moyes, van Gaal, Mourinho, Solskjaer and Southgate must be clueless.

ClaretAL · Post by **ClaretAL** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 7:27 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 11, 2020 5:33 pm
The thread is nothing to do with Tarkowski, Jones or post counting. It is a key thread on one of the most important issues involving our club in years.

Guys FFS, if you want to discuss the ins and outs of anything apart from the current take over, go make another thread to discuss it. It is disgusting that a Manchester UTD player has taken precedence on the thread regarding the most important turn of event for our club in my generation. I really dont understand how it got this bad, and there would be uproar if the MODS got tough on it. But then that maybe the answer, 1 week ban for anyone who has to have a post removed.

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 7:31 pm

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 11, 2020 6:05 pm
all the United lads I know grew up watching Ferdinand, Vidic, Stam, Bruce, Pallister etc

I'm used to John Pender, Mark Monnington, Steve Blatherwick and Mark Winstanly !!

I don't value the opinion of any Man Utd "fans"

You missed Lee Howey.

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 7:33 pm

ClaretAL wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 11, 2020 7:27 pm
Guys FFS, if you want to discuss the ins and outs of anything apart from the current take over, go make another thread to discuss it. It is disgusting that a Manchester UTD player has taken precedence on the thread regarding the most important turn of event for our club in my generation. I really dont understand how it got this bad, and there would be uproar if the MODS got tough on it. But then that maybe the answer, 1 week ban for anyone who has to have a post removed.

Are you part of the Chinese government?

ClaretAL · Post by **ClaretAL** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 7:38 pm

No one is gagging anyone. just follow what everyone with brain seems to be able to do. If you want to discuss Phil jones feel free to create a Phil jones thread so that the subsequent posts stay relative to the OP subject, and those interested in the posted subject know where to look. For example i am interested in the take over bid which is massive in the scheme of things for me, so expect to see information about the taker not Phil Jones! Its not really hard is it?

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 7:45 pm

The takeover bid is boring. Has been for weeks. I am still fuming that we did not sign a right winger and a centre back this Summer. If we had, the takeover would have been sorted by now. Stupid Garlick has messed it up by getting us in the relegation zone.

Claret Toni · Post by **Claret Toni** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 8:28 pm

Danieljwaterhouse wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 11, 2020 5:44 pm

I will see your ignorance and raise you this....

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.skys ... hgate-says

In fairness DJW that link is over 3 years old, when the ugly one was 25 years old and had a great future behind him.

Of course the 9 months younger Tarks wasn't in the squad - neither was Ben Mee