randomclaret2 wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 13, 2020 5:35 pm

Has anyone looked at the housing around Anfield or The Etihad or Goodison of late ?

Bitch

Steddyman wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 13, 2020 4:45 pm

If you had bought 1 million bitcoin in 2010, you would now have over £200 billion.

Lets keep this thread to "takeover" related stuff, Steddyman.

If I'd got the money to buy 1 million bitcoin in 2010 I still wouldn't have done it - and I'd have probably lost it all in one of the many scams that have gone on with bitcoin in the years since.

However, if I had one hundredth of the amount you suggest, I might now be in conversation with Mike Garlick about a "seat at the table."

Let's hope that ALK aren't offering to pay in bitcoin - that really would give us all something to worry about.

Exciting times.

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I didn't start the bitcoin discussion

FactualFrank wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 13, 2020 3:57 pm

There's a shed load of work that could go into the retail. The website looks like it was built by a beginner in HTML. It isn't user-friendly. Poor stock. 30-40 more ways, easy.

They may decide to also invest in nearby property or do a rebuild. Let's be fair, the surrounding area is a shithole.

As dubious/nervous as I am about the takeover, one thing the Americans are good at in general is generating cash and we lag behind almost all other prem teams in this area.

You would hope they have more contacts/experience/knowhow with regards to sponsorship & global outreach as well as opening up commercial & partnership opportunities across the pond.

As stated the clubs merchandising, whilst it has improved from years gone by is very poor - and Americans do retail very well.

We are absolutely rubbish at ticketing, we put tickets on sale and if they sell they sell and if they don’t they don’t. We are in the business of live events and there is no excitement generated, no promotions, no engagement, nothing. We rarely sell out our small stadium or a full away allocation and just hide behind the “small town” reasoning when in Europe smaller towns sell out bigger grounds. Our ticketing needs more innovation and flexibility besides the “frozen season ticket” idea, yes it’s a great deal, but it’s the only thing we have come up with for 6/7 years. The football is boring so you need to find other ways to sell out the stadium and generate revenue.

I also think our supporter engagement is poor. Obviously the club does great community work with those in need but the club seldom gives anything back to the average paying punter. Leicester are an example of a club that does this so well, and small gestures go a long way. As someone whose had a season ticket for going on 20 years and travels away, I can confidently say I am not engaged in what our club do and they could have much more money out of my pocket, if they were innovative enough to do it. Again, “looking after their customers” is something Americans tend to do better than us. If I feel like this then you can bet thousands of others silently do too.

It’s all marginal gains but there’s millions and millions to be had, in my humble opinion of course.

Part of the problem is where we have come from, we have moved forward miles and miles in the last few years but off the pitch, it’s just not enough, we can’t keep pace with the rest of the league and we are miles behind in generating the revenue you need at this level - and this is where I hope ALK will improve our operation.

JR1882 wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 13, 2020 7:27 pm

As dubious/nervous as I am about the takeover, one thing the Americans are good at in general is generating cash and we lag behind almost all other prem teams in this area.

You would hope they have more contacts/experience/knowhow with regards to sponsorship & global outreach as well as opening up commercial & partnership opportunities across the pond.

As stated the clubs merchandising, whilst it has improved from years gone by is very poor - and Americans do retail very well.

We are absolutely rubbish at ticketing, we put tickets on sale and if they sell they sell and if they don’t they don’t. We are in the business of live events and there is no excitement generated, no promotions, no engagement, nothing. We rarely sell out our small stadium or a full away allocation and just hide behind the “small town” reasoning when in Europe smaller towns sell out bigger grounds. Our ticketing needs more innovation and flexibility besides the “frozen season ticket” idea, yes it’s a great deal, but it’s the only thing we have come up with for 6/7 years. The football is boring so you need to find other ways to sell out the stadium and generate revenue.

I also think our supporter engagement is poor. Obviously the club does great community work with those in need but the club seldom gives anything back to the average paying punter. Leicester are an example of a club that does this so well, and small gestures go a long way. As someone whose had a season ticket for going on 20 years and travels away, I can confidently say I am not engaged in what our club do and they could have much more money out of my pocket, if they were innovative enough to do it. Again, “looking after their customers” is something Americans tend to do better than us. If I feel like this then you can bet thousands of others silently do too.

It’s all marginal gains but there’s millions and millions to be had, in my humble opinion of course.

Part of the problem is where we have come from, we have moved forward miles and miles in the last few years but off the pitch, it’s just not enough, we can’t keep pace with the rest of the league and we are miles behind in generating the revenue you need at this level - and this is where I hope ALK will improve our operation.

Good post.

It can be as simple as offering all fans on a match day a free pint and a programme. It would probably entice more into the ground earlier, and pay for itself.

We just don’t like to speculate to accumulate. Not even marginal amounts that would go a long way to building a bit of connection with the fans. It’s bizarre.

The average walk on is absolutely taken for granted.

We're hardly likely to be an innovative, forward looking club when a majority of board members are in their 70s.

JR1882 wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 13, 2020 7:27 pm

We are absolutely rubbish at ticketing, we put tickets on sale and if they sell they sell and if they don’t they don’t. We are in the business of live events and there is no excitement generated, no promotions, no engagement, nothing. We rarely sell out our small stadium or a full away allocation and just hide behind the “small town” reasoning when in Europe smaller towns sell out bigger grounds. Our ticketing needs more innovation and flexibility besides the “frozen season ticket” idea, yes it’s a great deal, but it’s the only thing we have come up with for 6/7 years. The football is boring so you need to find other ways to sell out the stadium and generate revenue.

I’m genuinely interested which teams you’re referring to in Europe?

Winstonswhite wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 13, 2020 8:23 pm

I’m genuinely interested which teams you’re referring to in Europe?

Hoffenheim and Lens are the 2 obvious ones although Lens has a large surrounding urban area. Having said that, so do we when you consider what’s around us.

Guingamp is another one in France. There’s quite a few examples in Eastern Europe too.

The point being, in the biggest league in the world, we can’t sell out one of the smallest grounds, and we do nothing about it. Then wonder why we make no money.

Stick another £10 million on the asking price after tonight.

JR1882 wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 13, 2020 8:37 pm

Hoffenheim and Lens are the 2 obvious ones although Lens has a large surrounding urban area. Having said that, so do we when you consider what’s around us.

Guingamp is another one in France. There’s quite a few examples in Eastern Europe too.

The point being, in the biggest league in the world, we can’t sell out one of the smallest grounds, and we do nothing about it. Then wonder why we make no money.

Yes they are they obvious ones but Hoffenheim play in a much bigger city 300k + nearby and Lens as you’ve said are an urban area 250k. Neither sell out. Very few clubs do.

There you go lads - that's what we can do.

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8 points from 5 games game and 3 clean sheets. That is what the takeover has needed. Think it will happen quick now. It would have happened weeks ago if we had not made such a mess of the transfer window imo .

An announcement and a win at Villa would be nice this week..

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:31 pm

An announcement and a win at Villa would be nice this week..

I will therefore announce that we have won and villa this week.

Danieljwaterhouse wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 11, 2020 5:44 pm

I will see your ignorance and raise you this....

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.skys ... hgate-says

Talk is cheap daniel (you should know about that )

With regards to what Southgate said, fact is he wouldn't pick him.

The only question that matters on this thread, is when does the Premier League meet.

Just to cheer everyone up, boden says no announcement this week. Farnell and Co still in race.

Grumps wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:51 am

Just to cheer everyone up, boden says no announcement this week.

True or not, that's exactly what I posted a few days ago. And I remain convinced that any takeover will not be this side of Christmas. I also expect it to be ALK, unless they fail to complete I don't think Farnell/Elkashashy are involved. If they do fail to complete then things could change I suppose.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:57 am

True or not, that's exactly what I posted a few days ago. And I remain convinced that any takeover will not be this side of Christmas. I also expect it to be ALK, unless they fail to complete I don't think Farnell/Elkashashy are involved. If they do fail to complete then things could change I suppose.

Prepare for meltdown on here

Still stick to what I said 2 weeks ago we won't see a takeover this side of February 2021

I questioned Boden about Farnell his reply was

“They have a sale and purchase agreement and proof of funds, waiting on owners and directors test”

Grumps wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:51 am

Just to cheer everyone up, boden says no announcement this week. Farnell and Co still in race.

Well, at least this gives all the bed wetters an opportunity to panic some more and post some negativity.

Grumps wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:51 am

Just to cheer everyone up, boden says no announcement this week. Farnell and Co still in race.

He’s wrong.

As you get to this time of the year you start to think it probably won't be till January if not this week.

Let us hope it's within the first week of January to allow us some significant chance of incomings without relying on a deadline day free for all...again.

Danieljwaterhouse wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:24 am

He’s wrong.

I am sorry but he is NOT WRONG - he's partly correct although I think he's wrong on the other bid.

What interests me most of all in the short term is what’s going to happen in January? Who will cough up for signings, if the deal isn’t actually complete? Can’t see why Garlick would pay out if he’s just about to sell up, then again I thought Ashley was on the verge of selling up at Newcastle then he paid £40m for Joelinton

Hedontplayforyou wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:56 am

What interests me most of all in the short term is what’s going to happen in January? Who will cough up for signings, if the deal isn’t actually complete? Can’t see why Garlick would pay out if he’s just about to sell up, then again I thought Ashley was on the verge of selling up at Newcastle then he paid £40m for Joelinton

Garlick doesn’t pay for new players out of his own pocket

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:43 am

I am sorry but he is NOT WRONG - he's partly correct although I think he's wrong on the other bid.

I guess we will know this week who is wrong. No need for shouting, let's keep it civil.

I wouldn't pay much attention to what Boden thinks he knows.

Until an announcement about a takeover is made (if ever), then Chris Boden is correct - so he is not the person on this thread that should be viewed with an air of suspicion.

Just my thoughts.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:43 am

I am sorry but he is NOT WRONG - he's partly correct although I think he's wrong on the other bid.

Wow Tony up 1-0

jrgbfc wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 14, 2020 11:32 am

I wouldn't pay much attention to what Boden thinks he knows.

It’s not what he thinks , it’s what he’s been briefed by the people involved

joey13 wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 14, 2020 11:46 am

It’s not what he thinks , it’s what he’s been briefed by the people involved

Clearly, like all of us Chris is not involved in the negotiations and relies on getting information from elsewhere and knowing who's word he can trust and who's he can't. That's all I've done and any information I've posted on this thread is the same.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 14, 2020 12:23 pm

Clearly, like all of us Chris is not involved in the negotiations and relies on getting information from elsewhere and knowing who's word he can trust and who's he can't. That's all I've done and any information I've posted on this thread is the same.

Boden has been wrong numerous times in the past. He said we weren’t signing Defour and Barton and was very insistent on both.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 14, 2020 12:23 pm

Clearly, like all of us Chris is not involved in the negotiations and relies on getting information from elsewhere and knowing who's word he can trust and who's he can't. That's all I've done and any information I've posted on this thread is the same.

Exactly, but it sounds like the people in the know are singing from different hymn sheets

It looks like some spinning of fake news is being done, probably to confuse the media and for negotiation tactics.

Who do you believe?

Desperate Dan says one thing, then fake news Tony says tother

Top Claret wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 14, 2020 3:42 pm

Who do you believe?

Salt comes to mind.

Top Claret wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 14, 2020 3:42 pm

Who do you believe?

Desperate Dan says one thing, then fake news Tony says tother

Both telling us what they believe is correct...im sure there must be some skullduggery going on (not these posters) with the information that is being leaked/gleaned.

Top Claret wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 14, 2020 3:42 pm

Who do you believe?

Desperate Dan says one thing, then fake news Tony says tother

Do you really have to be so downright offensive?

the maturity level on here sometimes is astounding

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 14, 2020 4:16 pm

the maturity level on here sometimes is astounding

Far too many people seem to not understand what we called leg pulling and the modern parlance ‘banter’ is not a excuse for sniping. Far too many people seem to get off on causing insult and offence, it is not just a board problem but a sign of a breakdown of civility generally in recent years.

That old saying of "two bald men fighting over a comb" has never been more apt.

I haven't posted on this thread before but read all the postings.

I really do appreciate CT, DJW and Ben Wickes posting what they know (and that goes for anyone else, too, who bother to post points which add to the discussion). It's up to me to critically look at what they're posting and make my own mind up about what may or may not be happening. I accept that these guys are all posting in good faith and letting us know what they've been told. I don't need to be rude or offensive to anyone in response. I really hope we can all treat each other with respect whether we agree with a poster or not.

Can I thank the 3 posters I've mentioned above for their input, especially in the face of some, what I see as, quite frankly, unwarranted abuse.

As for the ALK bid, my personal view is that there may be an opportunity to develop Burnley as 'everyone's second team'......maybe a little like the Green Bay Packers are in the NFL. There even seems to be some similarities in background e.g. small town, blue collar, punching above its weight (sorry, I hate that phrase, too) etc.

randomclaret2 wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 13, 2020 8:07 pm

We're hardly likely to be an innovative, forward looking club when a majority of board members are in their 70s.

Ageist

Do you think that years diminishes the ability to be visionary and forward thinking? If you are that way when young then it continues I believe, hopefully they are forward thinking but definitely need to all be on the same page when managing a board.

" Do you think that years diminishes the ability to be visionary and forward thinking?"
Yes

Well Winnie was pretty visionary after 1945 with his Iron Curtain Speech and he was 70 and had had a stroke

Goddy wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 14, 2020 4:32 pm

As for the ALK bid, my personal view is that there may be an opportunity to develop Burnley as 'everyone's second team'......maybe a little like the Green Bay Packers are in the NFL. There even seems to be some similarities in background e.g. small town, blue collar, punching above its weight (sorry, I hate that phrase, too) etc.

Great post Goddy.

On your final point, I agree. It links in with a point that another person made above that we are terrible at ticketing.

I live a few miles outside Burnley yet never see tickets - matches or Season tickets - advertised. Nor have my sons school or football club been offered freebe’s. It seems strange to me that with a good number of spare (often undesirable) seats spare each week we don’t make more effort to sell them or give them away to get a packed Turf Moor.

The majority of football supporters follow a family descendent. I’m sure that Evertonian from Colne had some family ties somewhere. We should still go out of our way to get them on though. We’re able, at the minute at least, to offer 19 games of the worlds best league per season. We should be exploiting that, making ourselves other local fans second team, and hopefully their kids only team!

I really hope any new owners focus much more on how they can better market ourselves and grow the fan base.

Goddy wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 14, 2020 4:32 pm

As for the ALK bid, my personal view is that there may be an opportunity to develop Burnley as 'everyone's second team'......maybe a little like the Green Bay Packers are in the NFL. There even seems to be some similarities in background e.g. small town, blue collar, punching above its weight (sorry, I hate that phrase, too) etc.

Nice idea.

The practical difficulty is that Green Bay Packers have won the "world Championship" more often than any other team and have been at least in with a chance of winning it all, every year for 30 years, almost.

Man United are so many people's "second team" partly because they have the big club glamour and also because they always have a chance of winning things. That's what we can't compete with.