Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

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Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by PremierLeagueClass » Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:40 pm

First of all, I’m as big a fan of Dyche as any Burnley fan and I fully appreciate the frustration he must be feeling, but... having just watched the little clip on the sky sports website (available in the transfer section), he does come across somewhat disrespectful and almost disparaging about Dale Stephens. It’s only a small snippit so maybe I’ve misread the situation, but the relationship with Garlick must be well and truly gone for him to talk like that. I just hope he doesn’t let his frustration get the better of him.

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by ElectroClaret » Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:43 pm

No.

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:44 pm

What has he said that is so bad ?

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Post by MarkGreen » Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:44 pm

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by martin_p » Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:46 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:44 pm
What has he said that is so bad ?
He’s made a joke about also getting in a bag of balls and some bibs when a journalist has suggested the ‘magic cheque book’ must be open because we’ve signed Dale Stephens. The OP needs to tune into the Dyche sense of humour a bit more.
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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:46 pm

martin_p wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:46 pm
He’s made a joke about also getting in a bag of balls and some bibs when a journalist has suggested the ‘magic cheque book’ must be open because we’ve signed Dale Stephens. The OP needs to tune into the Dyche sense of humour a bit more.

Sack him !!

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:47 pm

That’s just Dyche’s sense of humour.

Strange, I get pulled up for it but I’ve been saying for months and months that the Garlick/Dyche relationship is irreparable. That’s how I believe it is and it will end when one of them leaves.

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by Bosscat » Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:47 pm

martin_p wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:46 pm
He’s made a joke about also getting in a bag of balls and some bibs when a journalist has suggested the ‘magic cheque book’ must be open because we’ve signed Dale Stephens. The OP needs to tune into the Dyche sense of humour a bit more.
I think the OP has had a sense of humour bypass or has never seen a Dyche interview before 😂

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by BenWickes » Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:49 pm

martin_p wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:46 pm
He’s made a joke about also getting in a bag of balls and some bibs when a journalist has suggested the ‘magic cheque book’ must be open because we’ve signed Dale Stephens. The OP needs to tune into the Dyche sense of humour a bit more.
There's been a number of times recently Dyche's humour has just flew over people's heads. Even Clarets fans, who you'd think would be used to it by now.

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by JTClaret » Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:53 pm

Oh come on...
Fans can sing 'We've only spent 3 quid" at a game, but if Dyche does effectively the same thing it's overstepping.

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by jojomk1 » Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:55 pm

Haven't heard any jokes from him about Tarky's injury - that's got to be worth a few

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by Wembley09 » Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:55 pm

No he's just excited that we have managed to get a bag of balls and cones.. and he can't wait for those bibs coming in next week.
That magic cheque book works wonders.
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Post by superdimitri » Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:56 pm

I find it hilarious.

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by Ric_C » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:00 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:47 pm
That’s just Dyche’s sense of humour.

Strange, I get pulled up for it but I’ve been saying for months and months that the Garlick/Dyche relationship is irreparable. That’s how I believe it is and it will end when one of them leaves.
So soon we could reach a fork on the road:

1. Garlick stays and Dyche leaves
2. Takeover happens and Dyche stays, along with a more flexible budget
3. Takeover happens and they want to bring a new man in

Wonder which one it will be?

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by NewClaret » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:01 pm

I honestly don’t know if he’s trolling the press, protecting the clubs interest in ongoing negotiations or taking a swipe at Garlick’s penny pinching.

Hard to know but I do find it funny whatever it is.

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by elwaclaret » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:01 pm

There have been a few Clarets managers who would have got giddy had they been given enough to buy new balls and bibs.

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by boatshed bill » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:05 pm

I thought it was a ridiculous and unnecessary comment. He does neither himself nor the club any favours with this sort of stuff.

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by Quickenthetempo » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:09 pm

Not many managers get away with constant swipes at the chairman.
The like of Ole and Bruce go out of their way to defend their owners to fans criticism.

Garlick probably thinks it's better to just sell than compensate a manager.

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by wilks_bfc » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:14 pm

“Sean Dyche has joked at the strength of Burnley's spending power after completing the signing of Dale Stephens from Brighton.”

Think that tells you how serious he was.
Sure everyone knows Sean puts these sort of comments in most of his press conferences

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by Im_not_Robbie_Blake » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:16 pm

Ric_C wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:00 pm
So soon we could reach a fork on the road:

1. Garlick stays and Dyche leaves
2. Takeover happens and Dyche stays, along with a more flexible budget
3. Takeover happens and they want to bring a new man in

Wonder which one it will be?

Maybe none of the above, ie no takeover, Garlick stays, Dyche stays.

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by TVC15 » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:18 pm

Bit mixed on this - Dyche definitely has a very sarcastic sense of humour and I like that as similar to mine. Think he is usually brilliant in interviews and press conferences and up until the last couple of months he’s rarely overstepped the mark (do remember a Q & A where he got so fed up with a fan questioning why he brings everyone back from a corner where he did come across as pretty arrogant and rude - but the fan wouldn’t let it lie !!)

But the last couple of months I have felt a bit uncomfortable with some of the stuff he has said. When he is suggesting that we do have money spare but he hasn’t been told his budget and what he has to work with I am not sure I believe him. I don’t think he understands as much about the financial situation of the club as he lets on and I think he does understand that he is the one who has got the platform to speak out on it so he has taken advantage of this.

As a fan and someone who does understand the accounts I can see where Garlick is coming from. We were pretty near to break even in 2019 accounts and we know 2020 is going to be worse. He is trying to forecast forward and knows there are a number of further risks on the back of Covid and new TV deals and it most be very difficult for him to know exactly how bad it could be - but he does know it won’t get better than the recent break even year for a while.

Dyche is the best manager the club have ever had in my lifetime but I also don’t see a lot wrong with what Mike Garlick has ever done for the club whilst he has been on the board and sarcasm or not I’m not wholly comfortable with Dyche regularly sniping at him

...and whilst it would be interesting to hear MG’s side of the story he knows that would not be good for the club so rightly decides to keep quite and professional on it.
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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by jrgbfc » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:23 pm

Imagine constantly accusing your employer of being tight when they're allegedly paying you 3.5 million quid a year.

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Post by Woodleyclaret » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:27 pm

Nonsense comments after Sean made a joke that some didn't get

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by TVC15 » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:30 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:27 pm
Nonsense comments after Sean made a joke that some didn't get
Of course people “get it” - does not mean it’s funny or that it’s not disrespectful.
And I think it’s more about the number of comments he has made on this.

But hey ho if you think he’s Bob Monkhouse you fill your boots.

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Post by dibraidio » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:36 pm

Dyche is doing Garlick a favour. When he goes to negotiate for any signings they'll know what they're in for before he arrives. If I was responsible for negotiating transfer fees I'd be really happy with Sean telling them we're skint.

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Post by kentonclaret » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:52 pm

I think some posters are confusing humour with sarcasm. ;)

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Post by martin_p » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:58 pm

TVC15 wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:30 pm
Of course people “get it” - does not mean it’s funny or that it’s not disrespectful.
And I think it’s more about the number of comments he has made on this.

But hey ho if you think he’s Bob Monkhouse you fill your boots.
In what way is it disrespectful? Everyone knows we don’t have any spending power and Garlick would probably be the first to admit it!

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by jtv » Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:06 pm

dibraidio wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:36 pm
Dyche is doing Garlick a favour. When he goes to negotiate for any signings they'll know what they're in for before he arrives. If I was responsible for negotiating transfer fees I'd be really happy with Sean telling them we're skint.
The problem is that Dyche is not saying that we're skint - quite the opposite!

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by TVC15 » Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:13 pm

martin_p wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:58 pm
In what way is it disrespectful? Everyone knows we don’t have any spending power and Garlick would probably be the first to admit it!
You clearly don’t but that’s fine.
Other people do think some of his comments and the way he is saying them are - which is also fine.

You must have noticed a change in the last couple of months in his language.
There are lots of other periods in the last 8 years where he has had less spend / budget than he does now and not made the kind of comments he has recently.

But as said if you don’t think anything he has said is disrespectful that’s absolutely fine.

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Post by martin_p » Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:16 pm

TVC15 wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:13 pm
You clearly don’t but that’s fine.
Other people do think some of his comments and the way he is saying them are - which is also fine.

You must have noticed a change in the last couple of months in his language.
There are lots of other periods in the last 8 years where he has had less spend / budget than he does now and not made the kind of comments he has recently.

But as said if you don’t think anything he has said is disrespectful that’s absolutely fine.
Other than his first season I don’t think there have been periods where he has had less to spend to be honest (relative to what the transfer market demands anyway).

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by TVC15 » Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:26 pm

martin_p wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:16 pm
Other than his first season I don’t think there have been periods where he has had less to spend to be honest (relative to what the transfer market demands anyway).
Our last reported wage bill is at a record high.
We don’t know much he has to spend but just like that first season when I’m guessing Dyche knew why his spend was restricted / limited then he should also understand why we are in the position we are now and that is also something unexpected and out of anyone’s control.

Do you honestly believe that he has not had the current issues with our finances explained to him ? I don’t believe that and I don’t believe it when he says that the chairman has not spoken to him about this.
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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by Corky » Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:30 pm

Given that we have just signed someone, to me, it came across as a bit snide, a bit sarky and a bit pointless. Whether he was being disrespectful is a mute point. However, if I was Garlick and I held all the cards I would be smirking to myself thinking...it looks as though I have got away with another pretty cheap transfer window and I still have a man who will likely keep us in the Prem. Let's hope that last bit comes true.

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Post by lucs86 » Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:38 pm

Yeah it's snarky and a bit unnecessary, but it must be mind numbing being asked the same questions over and over again every week when even if things were happening you wouldn't be able to disclose it anyway. So it's probably just trying to have a bit of fun with it.
As long as the squad are good with it, which I'm sure they will be, then it's no big deal.
It's probably good to foster a "them versus us" attitude when you're punching above your weight, like we are, but he's putting Garlick in the "them" category, which doesn't feel healthy, particularly if a takeover doesn't happen.

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Post by scouseclaret » Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:43 pm

Why not look at this from SD's point of view.

He took over a going-nowhere, mid-table championship team and, in 8 years, has delivered 6 seasons in the Premier League, with two top-10 finishes and a European qualification. In doing so, he has probably generated at least £0.5bn (yes, BILLION) in excess revenue for the club, over and above what they might've expected when he was appointed him, and the club is probably in a better financial state than it has ever been.

So, you can imagine his frustration at constantly being thwarted in the transfer market by an unrealistically parsimonious chairman who expects him to deliver Premier League football with million-pound signings. After years of playing along with it and outperforming year-after-year, can you blame him for feeling a little irritated by the lack of backing he rightly feels he deserves? I imagine he's thoroughly p!55ed off with it and has got to the stage where he doesn't mind saying so.

If CT is right, and I suspect he is, that its got to the stage where there the only resolution is for either Garlick or Dyche to go, I know who's side I'm on.
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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by warksclaret » Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:49 pm

Have we got nothing better to worry about. SD must be so frustrated being held back when the whole world talks about the need for the owners of an established PL club to give him more financial support

Can remember when Spurs thrashed us 5-0 and at the post match interview he said we had once been in for Harry Kane and offered a "bag of chips". He is being funny but at the same time making his point

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by JohnMac » Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:49 pm

He is like Gordon Strachan only funny.

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Post by andyh » Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:52 pm

I think it is very very wrong and I’m beginning to get completely fed up of it.

Dyche knows the score he should either shut up or leave.

But he won’t leave cos he is on mega bucks and no better gig is available. So he stays and grumbles. It is childish and unprofessional.

Like it or not it is Garlick’s decision to spend money. He is a fan and at least part of him is as desperate as we all are for success. For whatever reasons he must believe we should not spend right now. Whether that is because we don’t have the money or whether it is just too volatile right now who knows.

If things start going pear shaped further down the pyramid there may be tumbling of player values. Maybe he thinks by January our targets will be significantly cheaper. Or maybe our cash flow could be screwed if the virus continues to reek havoc.

I don’t know but MG does and we should trust him to continue to do a very good job. At the end of the day he is Burnley through and through. To SD we a step towards him reaching his personal ambitions. I’ve a feeling he could well go the way of OC and this might well be the zenith of his career.

Not many sets of fans would tolerate SD’s style of play let alone love him for it. I think he would be well served to rethink some of his recent behaviour. However I don’t think he is that self aware.
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Post by CaptainKirk » Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:53 pm

Insulting, unnecessary and unprofessional.

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Post by aclaretinstevenage » Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:59 pm

JohnMac wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:49 pm
He is like Gordon Strachan only funny.
Brilliant!

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by bobinho » Fri Sep 25, 2020 5:03 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:09 pm
Not many managers get away with constant swipes at the chairman.
The like of Ole and Bruce go out of their way to defend their owners to fans criticism.

Garlick probably thinks it's better to just sell than compensate a manager.
Course ole and Bruce do.... they are backed, even WITHOUT demonstrating over the past 8 seasons they have earned it.

I am most certainly not in the “bet the ranch” camp, but when we are clearly in need of some serious strengthening, and the managers requests for funds to help us maintain our current status are obviously being knocked back, anyone could understand his frustration.

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Post by arise_sir_charge » Fri Sep 25, 2020 5:08 pm

I find his “humour” cringeworthy beyond belief. I appreciate he is trying to be funny and it’s not necessarily outright disrespectful but for me he just comes across as a bit of a nob.
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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by Quickenthetempo » Fri Sep 25, 2020 5:22 pm

scouseclaret wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:43 pm
Why not look at this from SD's point of view.

He took over a going-nowhere, mid-table championship team and, in 8 years, has delivered 6 seasons in the Premier League, with two top-10 finishes and a European qualification. In doing so, he has probably generated at least £0.5bn (yes, BILLION) in excess revenue for the club, over and above what they might've expected when he was appointed him, and the club is probably in a better financial state than it has ever been.

So, you can imagine his frustration at constantly being thwarted in the transfer market by an unrealistically parsimonious chairman who expects him to deliver Premier League football with million-pound signings. After years of playing along with it and outperforming year-after-year, can you blame him for feeling a little irritated by the lack of backing he rightly feels he deserves? I imagine he's thoroughly p!55ed off with it and has got to the stage where he doesn't mind saying so.

If CT is right, and I suspect he is, that its got to the stage where there the only resolution is for either Garlick or Dyche to go, I know who's side I'm on.
Imagine the board getting stick off Dyche when they took a chance on an inexperienced young manager who had just been sacked.

Who have paid this manager more wages than every other Burnley manager in it's history put together.

Who backed him when the 15m record signing fell out with his assistant and cost the club millions.

Who backed him when he relegated us when most clubs would have potted him.

Who stood by him after shocking defeats to Accy Stanley, Lincoln and Burton.


It takes a partnership for any club to be successful. Taking sides is nonsense.
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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by ashtonlongsider » Fri Sep 25, 2020 5:28 pm

I think SD should have played the question with a straight bat. He's beginning to come over like a broken record. We know money's tight Sean, but times are tough at the moment.
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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by boatshed bill » Fri Sep 25, 2020 5:30 pm

warksclaret wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:49 pm
Have we got nothing better to worry about. SD must be so frustrated being held back when the whole world talks about the need for the owners of an established PL club to give him more financial support

Can remember when Spurs thrashed us 5-0 and at the post match interview he said we had once been in for Harry Kane and offered a "bag of chips". He is being funny but at the same time making his point
More financial support?
I think you need to look back at what he's spent, and what on.
Unfortunately too many of our big (by our standards) money signings haven't been worth what's been spent on them in terms of appearances and, in some cases,performance.

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by jrgbfc » Fri Sep 25, 2020 5:31 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 5:22 pm
Imagine the board getting stick off Dyche when they took a chance on an inexperienced young manager who had just been sacked.

Who have paid this manager more wages than every other Burnley manager in it's history put together.

Who backed him when the 15m record signing fell out with his assistant and cost the club millions.

Who backed him when he relegated us when most clubs would have potted him.

Who stood by him after shocking defeats to Accy Stanley, Lincoln and Burton.


It takes a partnership for any club to be successful. Taking sides is nonsense.
Some good points here. There wasn't exactly a queue of clubs waiting to take Dyche on after he was sacked by Watford. And thanks to Burnley FC him and his family are millionaires. The constant sniping isn't painting him in a great light at all.
Maybe Garlick should start mentioning how much money Dyche has blown on the likes of Hart, Gibson and Jon Walters every time he gets interviewed?

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by Wellsy1882 » Fri Sep 25, 2020 5:41 pm

What a stupid post
Dyche is god. Simple

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by ksrclaret » Fri Sep 25, 2020 5:58 pm

His "humour" is very uncomfortable. He's the sort of guy you've got no idea how to take, so you just laugh a tiny bit and count the minutes until you can leave. It can certainly come across as disrespectful, no doubt.

That said though, something has to give soon. Both sides appear equally fed up with the relationship.
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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by randomclaret2 » Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:03 pm

If only he could work Twix into his routine

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by scouseclaret » Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:09 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 5:22 pm
Imagine the board getting stick off Dyche when they took a chance on an inexperienced young manager who had just been sacked.

Who have paid this manager more wages than every other Burnley manager in it's history put together.

Who backed him when the 15m record signing fell out with his assistant and cost the club millions.

Who backed him when he relegated us when most clubs would have potted him.

Who stood by him after shocking defeats to Accy Stanley, Lincoln and Burton.


It takes a partnership for any club to be successful. Taking sides is nonsense.
Dyche was no doubt very grateful for being given the chance by Burnley but he has repaid that leap of faith in spades.

By any standards, he is well remunerated, but I would argue he’s also, by a distance, the best value-for-money employee in the Club’s history.

The Gibson signing “went wrong” largely due to the outstanding form of two other players, one of whom he signed (and who will more than cover the Gibson loss when he’s sold) and both of whom have thrived under his leadership.

If he “relegated us”, it’s only because he managed to get a team that shouldn’t have been good enough promoted, and wasn’t given the funds to give us a chance after he did.

His cup record is indeed lamentable, but I strongly expect that Garlick has made it very clear where his priorities lie.

Taking sides may well be nonsense, but the OP invites it. Dyche believes he has achieved enough to deserve better backing, and I agree with him.

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by Spijed » Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:16 pm

Imagine if Mike Garlick sacked Dyche for comments out of turn.

Where would we be then?

Would supporters be happier being in the Championship as a result?

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