Positives From Tonight

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:17 pm

Benson played well when he came on

Barnes got a good run out

Tarky's toe didn't flare up

BOYSIE31 · Post by **BOYSIE31** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:18 pm

They had a run out after dark

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:19 pm

The real positive was getting minutes into Tarkowski and Barnes while the one negative was getting knocked out albeit by a bloody good team.

Hopefully those two will be in the squad for Saturday and then, hopefully, there will be more back and one or two new players for West Brom after the break.

Hard watch tonight, but always is against City.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:20 pm

I'm really liking what I'm seeing from Benson

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:20 pm

Struggling, thought the keeper played well.

jdrobbo · Post by **jdrobbo** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:22 pm

My positives:

Barnes constantly got himself into good positions, despite being rusty when shooting.

Benson - composed and more minutes against quality opposition.

McNeil - more like it!

Taylor (my MOM) - just gets better and better.

Bailey PF - excellent in the goals.

Tarky back and getting a full game.

My negative:

The right side looked woefully short and to a large extent, was targeted.

Spitting - a grotesque amount from both sides and the Man City manager. Bad enough at the best of times, but should be nowhere near a football pitch at present!

Tribesmen · Post by **Tribesmen** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:23 pm

Fitness as the players put in some miles tonight chasing .

Good to see Ash and Tarks again

Jenny55 · Post by **Jenny55** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:26 pm

Yes BPF in goal was a positive along with the two returning senior pros. One other positive was not travelling up to the Turf and having to watch it in the flesh. Although I would bet there are many of us who would have been desperate to be on the match tonight, however bad it was to watch.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:29 pm

Realistically, we can focus on the bread & butter, for most clubs cup runs are great but often unnecessary distraction resulting in injuries & league form dips.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:30 pm

Benson: I'm not sure we should loan him out again. Looks a bit of a player and probably benefits from training with the senior players.
BPF. He looks a fine goalkeeper, backs his reflexes.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:32 pm

jdrobbo wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:22 pm
McNeil - more like it!

He's our most creative player but he wanted to collect the ball behind our direction of play far too often.

Need him to be pushing forward a lot more often because he can unlock defences when he has forward momentum. Too static in terms of forward momentum today.

Maybe I'm being harsh on him (?) but if I am it's because I rate him so highly. He's a player I love watching in a Burnley shirt.

Bigvince · Post by **Bigvince** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:32 pm

jdrobbo wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:22 pm
My positives:

Barnes constantly got himself into good positions, despite being rusty when shooting.

Benson - composer and more minutes against quality opposition.

McNeil - more like it!

Taylor (my MOM) - just gets better and better.

Bailey PF - excellent in the goals.

Tarky back and getting a full game.

My negative:

The right side looked woefully short and to a large extent, was targeted.

Spitting - a grotesque amount from both sides and the Man City manager. Bad enough at the best of times, but should be nowhere near a football pitch at present!

You missed out another positive > SD’s running commentary throughout the game

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:34 pm

Biggest positive was that we must be better than we think given how seriously Pep takes us.

That CB pair made them have a stronger line up than against Leicester, even with a kid playing (I don’t count Torres as a kid, he is a full Spain international).

Biggest negative - 8 year old asking me what f***ing means

Dyche.....

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:34 pm

We looked way off the pace tonight because we're way behind on pace and speed of thought to the top sides.

Taylor was alright. Dwight had his moments and the keeper did well.

But they could have scored 10 without getting out of 2nd gear.

dpinsussex · Post by **dpinsussex** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:36 pm

We didn't concede 5 again

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:37 pm

Rowls wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:32 pm
He's our most creative player but he wanted to collect the ball behind our direction of play far too often.

Need him to be pushing forward a lot more often because he can unlock defences when he has forward momentum. Too static in terms of forward momentum today.

Maybe I'm being harsh on him (?) but if I am it's because I rate him so highly. He's a player I love watching in a Burnley shirt.

Certainly doesn't need putting on the right wing to accommodate Pieters (or anyone else) on the left.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:39 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:34 pm
Biggest negative - 8 year old asking me what f***ing means Dyche.....

You'll be able to regale him with stories of who taught him the f-bomb when he's older. Gotta learn it sometime.

levraiclaret · Post by **levraiclaret** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:40 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:34 pm
We looked way off the pace tonight because we're way behind on pace and speed of thought to the top sides.

Taylor was alright. Dwight had his moments and the keeper did well.

But they could have scored 10 without getting out of 2nd gear.

What is it about "positives" you don't understand?

levraiclaret · Post by **levraiclaret** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:42 pm

I won't have to listen to that patronising prat commentating again!

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:43 pm

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:30 pm
Benson: I'm not sure we should loan him out again. Looks a bit of a player and probably benefits from training with the senior players.
BPF. He looks a fine goalkeeper, backs his reflexes.

agree 100%

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:43 pm

levraiclaret wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:42 pm
I won't have to listen to that patronising prat commentating again!

Anyone know who it was?

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:43 pm

levraiclaret wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:40 pm
What is it about "positives" you don't understand?

That is being positive.

Boss Hogg · Post by **Boss Hogg** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:44 pm

Spent the time doing something else.Normally hate missing our matches but couldn’t be bothered with this one. Watched the other 2. It’s normally a non competition against Man City and we were out this round before the ball was kicked. 90 mins fitness has to be a positive for players that have been out too.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:44 pm

Peacock Farrell and Benson We’re my biggest positives. It looks like we have some good young blood coming through.

I think both looked like they can play at this level.

Farrell looked really sharp

Bensons touch and passing was very good (he’s got some very good technical ability) be interesting to see if he gets a few games for us this season

Jakubs Tash · Post by **Jakubs Tash** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:45 pm

Definitely Tarkowski and Barnes being back and playing good minutes.

As mentioned above, they're always difficult games to watch. Dyche doesn't make it any easier by playing 442 all the time which leaves us wide open. He seems to think that our two forwards can cause them problems they aren't used to......and that part doesn't work either. City are miles better than us but we always play right into their hands.

simonclaret · Post by **simonclaret** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:47 pm

Rowls wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:43 pm
Anyone know who it was?

Rob Palmer, has commentated on us many times for MoTD.

jdrobbo · Post by **jdrobbo** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:59 pm

Rob Palmer is fab. Over the last ten years, mainly heard commentating on the Spanish games on Sky. Used to work for Granada sport so was often at Burnley. He’s very fond of our club. A huge Hull City fan.

Burnleyareback2 · Post by **Burnleyareback2** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:00 pm

Huge and unexpected smile on my face when I saw Tarkowski on the team sheet. Even better when I saw Barnes.

BPF- looks the business. If I’m the chairman at another club and Burnley enquires about the availability of my keeper I should be offering an improved deal.

Benson- loved his confidence, could be special.

jurek · Post by **jurek** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:00 pm

Good to hear some positives.
Especially for Benson who I've only seen briefly against Millwall last week
but he looks to have a bit of energy, good passing and doesn't seem fazed.
Certainly keep him in the squad and he might just break through this season.
Sooner than later?

levraiclaret · Post by **levraiclaret** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:03 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:43 pm
That is being positive.

Yeah right.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:04 pm

Barnes and Tarky getting a good run out.

Benson impressing again, is he considered a member of the 1st team squad now.

BPF ensuring it wasn't a cricket score.

We at least made the 4th round.

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:06 pm

Agree with the positives

Negative - another injury, would have been a straight red in a rugby match

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:08 pm

Tarks staying means that the BFC Transfer thread for Summer 2020 can now be wrapped up since we are probably too skint to bring in permanent signings this window.

levraiclaret · Post by **levraiclaret** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:08 pm

jdrobbo wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:59 pm
Rob Palmer is fab. Over the last ten years, mainly heard commentating on the Spanish games on Sky. Used to work for Granada sport so was often at Burnley. He’s very fond of our club. A huge Hull City fan.

If that commentator is very fond of our club, Adrian Durham is very fond of Sean Dyche.
It didn't sound like Rob Palmer and he wasn't very knowledgeable about the club/team.

Bigvince · Post by **Bigvince** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:12 pm

Barnes a good run out
Another good performance from Taylor
2 players back from injury
Benson looking promising again
Only conceding 3 against City, 2 less than usual
Tarks toe getting better
The beep machine not working on Sean Dyche’s commentary

Plus our next opponents Newcastle were sh!t again against Newport, bodes well for Saturday
UTC

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:17 pm

I didn't spend any money watching it.

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:32 pm

We didn't concede more cos we certainly would have done without BPF
Other positives
Hopefully Long will never start another game - would seriously consider Peiters alongside Tarks on Sat after that display
Confirmation that our midfield is powder puff and can't hold on to the ball - I think every goal came from our midfield needlessly losing possession
McNeill cannot play wide right - as can't most left peggers
Barnes should be 4th choice striker

ewanrob · Post by **ewanrob** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:38 pm

How old is the lad Benson ?

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:44 pm

Dyche "Sterling, get up? Are fcuking you sure? You spend half your fcuking life on the floor man"

Made me laugh anyway

Oh and BPF looks a fine goalkeeper, have mo worries if ever he needs to step in or replace Pope between the sticks.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:44 pm

ewanrob wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:38 pm
How old is the lad Benson ?

20

Burnleyareback2 · Post by **Burnleyareback2** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:45 pm

How old is the lad Jojomk1 and do his parents know he has access to the internet so late at night?

THEWELLERNUT70 · Post by **THEWELLERNUT70** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:46 pm

Plenty of attacking intent ultimately let down with a p!ss poor final ball

Bigvince · Post by **Bigvince** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:48 pm

jojomk1 wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:32 pm
We didn't concede more cos we certainly would have done without BPF
Other positives
Hopefully Long will never start another game - would seriously consider Peiters alongside Tarks on Sat after that display
Confirmation that our midfield is powder puff and can't hold on to the ball - I think every goal came from our midfield needlessly losing possession
McNeill cannot play wide right - as can't most left peggers
Barnes should be 4th choice striker

On your first point, you’re right we would have conceded more goals without a goalkeeper
Second point, I thought Kevin Long did ok tonight, it’s not easy playing against pace
Fourth point, there are many wingers that play on the so called wrong side(JBG for example)
Fifth point, you’re judging Ashley Barnes on his first game back after 10 months out with injury, a forward whose scored 33 goals in 120 premier league appearances for Burnley, which is a decent return

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:06 pm

Positives :
Thought we actually played ok. We knocked it about pretty confidently i thought
Barnes and Tarks got minutes
Taylor excellent again
Keeper played very well.

Negatives :
I really cannot stand City. That foul by Sterling was a direct result of the instructions Guardiola sends out to his team every time they play.....if the opposition takes the ball from you bring them down - and take the booking or in the case of Fernandinho their biggest culprit of it take several bookings and red cards if necessary.
This is a deliberate tactic by Guardiola - he knows that with the size of his squad yellow or even red cards are not as important as conceding possession or goals. He also knows that because City have so much of the ball that it’s only going to happen a few times a game.
Sterling and Guardiola both went over to Lowts at the final whistle to console him as he limped off and will miss the next few weeks at least - they don’t give a sh-it about him. There was no attempt to get the ball and it is under the managers instructions.

Horrible team who have ruined football and broken every financial rule going. They are signing yet another £60m defender today - apparently the Saudis have just sponsored trap 1 in their east stand toilets so it’s all above board and legitimate.

Anyway that’s my negative !!

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:17 pm

TVC15 wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:06 pm
Positives :
Thought we actually played ok. We knocked it about pretty confidently i thought
Barnes and Tarks got minutes
Taylor excellent again
Keeper played very well.

Negatives :
I really cannot stand City. That foul by Sterling was a direct result of the instructions Guardiola sends out to his team every time they play.....if the opposition takes the ball from you bring them down - and take the booking or in the case of Fernandinho their biggest culprit of it take several bookings and red cards if necessary.
This is a deliberate tactic by Guardiola - he knows that with the size of his squad yellow or even red cards are not as important as conceding possession or goals. He also knows that because City have so much of the ball that it’s only going to happen a few times a game.
Sterling and Guardiola both went over to Lowts at the final whistle to console him as he limped off and will miss the next few weeks at least - they don’t give a sh-it about him. There was no attempt to get the ball and it is under the managers instructions.

Horrible team who have ruined football and broken every financial rule going. They are signing yet another £60m defender today - apparently the Saudis have just sponsored trap 1 in their east stand toilets so it’s all above board and legitimate.

Anyway that’s my negative !!

probably the second half of the post should start a thread of its own.
I've said this for a few seasons now, Man City and Pep are masters of "the dark arts", can't fecking stand them.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:34 pm

Barnes and Tarks back......

Peacock Farrel showing we have an excellent back up for Nick.

Benson.... I never saw the game but seems to have showed promise, again. He needs to stay with us around the first team. A loan out below championship level would hold him back, and I think we'd struggle to get him a loan at that level.

Theres a few negatives but churlish to highlight them against City.
As SD I think we'll be fine when we get numbers back, any kind of result at Newcastle and we'll all feel happier.

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ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:40 pm

levraiclaret wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:42 pm
I won't have to listen to that patronising prat commentating again!

Another positive is he won't be here again

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:44 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:34 pm
Benson.... I never saw the game but seems to have showed promise, again. He needs to stay with us around the first team. A loan out below championship level would hold him back, and I think we'd struggle to get him a loan at that level.

Just a comment on that. There was a lot of criticism on here back in January when the likes of Benson, Glennon etc. went out on loan to League Two clubs suggesting that it was almost pointless if they weren't going to go to at least a Championship club. Last week, after the Millwall game, Benson said how much he'd benefited from it, how much he'd learned playing regular first team football and how much it had improved him. I'm not suggesting that he should be going back out to a League Two club but we need to balance it now. With us out of the cups, players coming back to fitness and Stephens having signed, he's not likely to get too much first team football. A loan at a Championship club would I think be ideal if that's the case.

Hasn't he done well though when he's been on the pitch in these cup games? Another real positive.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:47 pm

Bigvince wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:48 pm
On your first point, you’re right we would have conceded more goals without a goalkeeper
Second point, I thought Kevin Long did ok tonight, it’s not easy playing against pace
Fourth point, there are many wingers that play on the so called wrong side(JBG for example)
Fifth point, you’re judging Ashley Barnes on his first game back after 10 months out with injury, a forward whose scored 33 goals in 120 premier league appearances for Burnley, which is a decent return

Dwight isn't JBG.
He is wasted if he isn't playing infront of Taylor.
We need him going past players, and pinging those crosses in. Swapping him for Pieters just weakened us in 2 positions, instead of one. I also think Eric would have helped out a lot more defensively on that side.
Its a lesson we haven't learnt after all the Dyche years, if you lose a player, you replace HIM, you don't shuffle the whole pack to accommodate him. If that means bringing in the LW from the U23s, so be it.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:54 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:47 pm
Dwight isn't JBG.
He is wasted if he isn't playing infront of Taylor.
We need him going past players, and pinging those crosses in. Swapping him for Pieters just weakened us in 2 positions, instead of one. I also think Eric would have helped out a lot more defensively on that side.
Its a lesson we haven't learnt after all the Dyche years, if you lose a player, you replace HIM, you don't shuffle the whole pack to accommodate him. If that means bringing in the LW from the U23s, so be it.

McNeill played the second half on the left.