Dark Cloud wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 04, 2020 9:23 am

Watching last night made me think getting a flair/luxury player like Wilson at any price, even as low as £10M, really isn't the answer. It's far more fundamental than that imo. The engine room in midfield was wide open far too often and we need to stop shipping soft goals at the back. It looked far more "root and branch" than throwing big money at this chap.

Dark Cloud wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 04, 2020 9:23 am

Watching last night made me think getting a flair/luxury player like Wilson at any price, even as low as £10M, really isn't the answer. It's far more fundamental than that imo. The engine room in midfield was wide open far too often and we need to stop shipping soft goals at the back. It looked far more "root and branch" than throwing big money at this chap.

Les Lawrence wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 04, 2020 9:28 am

Let's get 50p for koiki.and save it in the dry powder store,every little helps

jrgbfc wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 04, 2020 9:41 am

Problem is our wide players are almost expected to play as second full backs. Is Wilson the man for that sort of role?

taio wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 04, 2020 9:42 am

Not the case with McNeil.

jrgbfc wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 04, 2020 9:45 am

He has to spend a hell of a lot of time defending. At times our midfield line of 4 is sat so deep they're virtually on our defenders toes.

ClaretAL wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 04, 2020 9:40 am

Smacks of Tarky didn't move so no funds to make the deal

NewClaret wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 04, 2020 12:38 pm

Yep, clear now that it was us that pulled out of this deal when Tarks move didn’t come off, not Liverpool playing hard ball.

Swizzlestick wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 04, 2020 9:16 am

If we’re baulking at £10m plus extras for a main target, it’s time to pack up, isn’t it?

Paul Waine wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 04, 2020 12:44 pm

Is a guy who is described as a dead ball specialist but can't score from 12 yards worth £10m?

I'd imagine there are a few re-examining Wilson's "performance analysis" videos.

Who knows, with luck, they have got access to some additional player analysis from ALK.

Maybe the "internal" is between current club set up and prospective new owners. It will be the latter who will "pay the bill."

UTC

BurnleyFC wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 04, 2020 12:55 pm

If we haven’t got £10m to spend on a first team starter after 5 years in the Premier League then we might as well ******* pack it all in now.

Long Time Lurker wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 04, 2020 1:54 pm

6m plus 2m in add-ons that relate to goals scored and us staying up. Nothing to do with him playing for Wales. On top of that a 20% sell on fee and a buy back option for £20m+. If they really think he is worth 20-30m Liverpool can't lose with an offer like that. That offer would have to take into account what his expected wages are, because ongoing wages and bonuses add a lot to the cost of a player.

He would be something of a luxury, because I still can't see how he would be an effective fit for our framework. To take advantage of his set piece ability he would have to be on the pitch and playing, which could be problematic considering he doesn't really suit the way we play.

Soccer isn't like American Football were you can just bring on a dedicated point kicker.

However, he does have some interesting qualities and we do need more bodies at the moment. If we lose Mc Neil or Brady in the future then he might make a reasonable replacement, providing that we can hammer the desire to score at all costs out of him, glue him to the side line and develop his team based creative side. He might also make for a good replacement central attacker if we move Vydra on.

Although, I suspect that signing him would pretty much guarantee Brady leaving on a free transfer, which would cost us money if he had any intention of signing a new contract.

I'm still puzzled why Wilson made it onto our target list, given that he isn't a Dyche type of player and he doesn't really suit us. 10m plus add-ons is still too high a price for me though, especially with nobody else apparently interested before the looming deadline.

I would see him as an emergency back-up option for the coming season and a player for the future, with the possible option to shake things up a bit.

Letting the option pass would still leave us with the opportunity to do business with EPL teams. However, a lot of the good bargains have already gone. We should have really been testing the waters before now to get an idea of what might still be available and what any players we might be interested in would cost if their clubs are open to selling.

Swansea are struggling financially.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foo ... k-17708427

https://www.swanseacity.com/news/swanse ... t-accounts

and those articles came from shortly before the Corona hit.

I like the look of Connor Roberts and Joe Rodon is a very good player ( however, the fact that he has missed 50% of his games for Swansea due to injury in the last 2 years is a concern ). Either one could be a good pick up for us, but that would depend heavily on the price. Swansea let Clucas and Fabianski go for fair returns, but they asked for and got two very generous transfer fees for McBurnie and James.

I would put a figure of around 4m on Roberts ( less would be better ) and maybe as high as 6m for Rodon, but I'm thrifty and value conscious. The biggest barrier to signing either of them would be Steve Cooper, who has publicly declared in not uncertain terms that he doesn't want to lose any players and they need more.

However, Trevor Birch is aware of the need to sell and he calls the final shots, even though the fans would probably mutiny at the thought of losing those two players for a combined total of less than 10m.

The fact that they are already under represented in central defence is another stumbling block ( but we could send Dunne their way on loan ). On the upside they need to bring in money and the sale of Celina for 3m probably didn't do enough on that front.

I'm also very surprised that Preston haven't sold anyone yet, given that they were running at a constant loss before Corona hit and they have just bought Wigans training ground ( will that affect their FFP obligations ? ). Ben Davies would be the player I would like us to look at from them.

Wallace from Millwall, BOS and Manning from QPR would be others. Having missed out on Eliasson at 2m I can't really understand why we aren't looking at manning given that he would command a similar fee or maybe less. He has been frozen out at QPR and a move looks highly likely.

Conroysleftfoot wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 04, 2020 1:59 pm

I agree about Wallace at Millwall, he looks like he would be okay for us. Not impressed by BOS from what I have seen, don't know much about Manning.

FactualFrank wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 04, 2020 2:00 pm

See my post above yours

Long Time Lurker wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 04, 2020 1:54 pm

6m plus 2m in add-ons that relate to goals scored and us staying up. Nothing to do with him playing for Wales. On top of that a 20% sell on fee and a buy back option for £20m+. If they really think he is worth 20-30m Liverpool can't lose with an offer like that. That offer would have to take into account what his expected wages are, because ongoing wages and bonuses add a lot to the cost of a player.

He would be something of a luxury, because I still can't see how he would be an effective fit for our framework. To take advantage of his set piece ability he would have to be on the pitch and playing, which could be problematic considering he doesn't really suit the way we play.

Soccer isn't like American Football were you can just bring on a dedicated point kicker.

However, he does have some interesting qualities and we do need more bodies at the moment. If we lose Mc Neil or Brady in the future then he might make a reasonable replacement, providing that we can hammer the desire to score at all costs out of him, glue him to the side line and develop his team based creative side. He might also make for a good replacement central attacker if we move Vydra on.

Although, I suspect that signing him would pretty much guarantee Brady leaving on a free transfer, which would cost us money if he had any intention of signing a new contract.

I'm still puzzled why Wilson made it onto our target list, given that he isn't a Dyche type of player and he doesn't really suit us. 10m plus add-ons is still too high a price for me though, especially with nobody else apparently interested before the looming deadline.

I would see him as an emergency back-up option for the coming season and a player for the future, with the possible option to shake things up a bit.

Letting the option pass would still leave us with the opportunity to do business with EPL teams. However, a lot of the good bargains have already gone. We should have really been testing the waters before now to get an idea of what might still be available and what any players we might be interested in would cost if their clubs are open to selling.

Swansea are struggling financially.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foo ... k-17708427

https://www.swanseacity.com/news/swanse ... t-accounts

and those articles came from shortly before the Corona hit.

I like the look of Connor Roberts and Joe Rodon is a very good player ( however, the fact that he has missed 50% of his games for Swansea due to injury in the last 2 years is a concern ). Either one could be a good pick up for us, but that would depend heavily on the price. Swansea let Clucas and Fabianski go for fair returns, but they asked for and got two very generous transfer fees for McBurnie and James.

I would put a figure of around 4m on Roberts ( less would be better ) and maybe as high as 6m for Rodon, but I'm thrifty and value conscious. The biggest barrier to signing either of them would be Steve Cooper, who has publicly declared in not uncertain terms that he doesn't want to lose any players and they need more.

However, Trevor Birch is aware of the need to sell and he calls the final shots, even though the fans would probably mutiny at the thought of losing those two players for a combined total of less than 10m.

The fact that they are already under represented in central defence is another stumbling block ( but we could send Dunne their way on loan ). On the upside they need to bring in money and the sale of Celina for 3m probably didn't do enough on that front.

I'm also very surprised that Preston haven't sold anyone yet, given that they were running at a constant loss before Corona hit and they have just bought Wigans training ground ( will that affect their FFP obligations ? ). Ben Davies would be the player I would like us to look at from them.

Wallace from Millwall, BOS and Manning from QPR would be others. Having missed out on Eliasson at 2m I can't really understand why we aren't looking at manning given that he would command a similar fee or maybe less. He has been frozen out at QPR and a move looks highly likely.

Long Time Lurker wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 04, 2020 1:54 pm

Swansea are struggling financially.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foo ... k-17708427

https://www.swanseacity.com/news/swanse ... t-accounts

and those articles came from shortly before the Corona hit.


I'm also very surprised that Preston haven't sold anyone yet, given that they were running at a constant loss before Corona hit and they have just bought Wigans training ground ( will that affect their FFP obligations ? ). Ben Davies would be the player I would like us to look at from them.

DCWat wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 04, 2020 2:03 pm

Come on Frank, isn’t it time you upgraded your 3510?

FactualFrank wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 04, 2020 1:58 pm

No problem with Long Time Lurker's posts, but I can please ask that you don't quote him, as my mobile phone doesn't appear to agree and just freezes with all the scrolling. Less scrolling means the board is more usable.

Conroysleftfoot wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 04, 2020 1:59 pm

I agree about Wallace at Millwall, he looks like he would be okay for us. Not impressed by BOS from what I have seen, don't know much about Manning.

Stu wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 04, 2020 2:26 pm

Nixon is right about Burnley can’t agree between themselves it seems Rigg wants him and Dyche doesn’t simple as that .