Next manager

[ClaretTony]

OK-thanks Tony. I have totally misjudged him then, and I prefer that he isn't and speaks his mind. When Sean turns round to him in games he generally just seems to nod in agreement which is what I based it on, plus I have yet to seem him do an interview, or stand in for Sean

He doesn't ever need to do interviews because Sean Dyche does them all. Tindall was the only number two I ever saw do interviews on a regular basis but we know now that it was because Howe was hardly ever here.

The three of them are so different. Dyche struts around like the Sergeant Major but hardly a shouter, Woany is probably the shouter and he's also a typical Scouser although he'll deny being one (he's from the other side of the tunnel). Loughlan is a smashing bloke but probably the quiet one of the three. All three good blokes though.

Dyche once said it works because they are all so different characters.

[JohnMcGreal]

I simply have no idea to be honest. I do fear Hughes given his links with Rigg but I don't know who I'd want.

Who's Rigg?

[Jakubclaret]

I think along similar lines.

But I do also think Big Sam is a stay up strategy and not try and improve on what we've done with finishing 7th and 10th over the last 3 seasons. It would be a case of finish 17th and that'll do.

He's well known as a firefighter BFS, after leaving Everton he turned down the Newcastle job you never say never but I think he'll stay retired & still do the odd pundit job casually.

[Zlatan]

We didn't recruit Dyche for the Premier League and he'd managed at the level we were at. As Rileybobs has said, nothing to suggest Cook or Duff would be good candidates but there always seems to be a clamour for an ex-player.

Fair comment. I personally don’t understand the clamour for washed up has beens just because they have experience in the top flight, all that shows is they know how to fail.

Surely we should go for the person who fits across many parameters, I included Duff because he is managing a team well at the moment, and also had managed a team with us whilst we were top flight - and I did caveat that with albeit U18 team.

[Wembley09]

Be surprised if anybody decent would want the job, after watching Sean Dyche overachieve for so long but still not being backed... paper thin squad, looks like we have no budget for a new manager to work with either.

Please not another Brian Laws.

[huw.Y.WattfromWare]

Allardyce- no thanks he'd leave the club a wreck.

Just out of curiosity, how many clubs can you name that Sam has left a wreck?

[Spijed]

Please not another Brian Laws.

Eddie Howe is currently out of work!

[FactualFrank]

He's well known as a firefighter BFS, after leaving Everton he turned down the Newcastle job you never say never but I think he'll stay retired & still do the odd pundit job casually.

We shouldn't even be talking about staying up though to be honest. Get JBG starting and that improves us 50%.

[ElectroClaret]

Eddie Howe is currently out of work!

Glad there was a wink there.
Because if what we heard at the time was true, the only way his wife would ever come back up here was if she was chloroformed and stuffed in the boot of a car.

[Rileybobs]

How much Premier League experience did Dyche have? In fact how many games had he managed prior to coming here (49 wasn’t it...?)

In fact, can I ask how many times does a manager manage a team in the Premier League before they manage their first team in the Premier League?

Don’t forget that Duff was an actual team manager with us whilst in the Premier League (albeit u18) and he has managed a small town club since, that counts for something even before you consider he was a massively successful player for us as well as someone who is held in high regard.

F#ck it, you’re probably right - let’s get fat Sam or Pardew and let them p!ss money we don’t have away on show pony mercenaries, that’ll work.

Dyche took us into the Premier League, he didn't have any experience at that level and we promptly got relegated.

I haven't suggested getting Fat Sam or Pardew, so please don't put words in my mouth. I have just asked the people who have suggested Duff or Cook would be their preferred candidates why they feel that they would be up to the task? They might well be, who knows. But last time we appointed an ex-player without managerial experience at our level it was considered an unequivocal disaster.

[Right_winger]

I wouldn’t be against BFS at all, a much better version of Dyche and is far less rigid. He can actually sign players out with the championship and use subs aswell.

Realistically we will go for someone out of work and is cheap.

[Zlatan]

Just out of curiosity, how many clubs can you name that Sam has left a wreck?

Everton didn't do too bad, but they underperformed considering their resources at his disposal
Palace were in a mess when he left, Hodgson has stabilised them
England - that went well
Sunderland never recovered, doing fine in League 1
West Ham, treading water, but no thanks to him
Rovers... ahahahaha - shame they have a good manager now (in fact Mobray could be on our shortlist...)
Geordies have finally managed to get things together despite their current owner (who doesn't get the credit he deserves from their fans)
Bolton - basket case
Notts County - I honestly dont remember his management there, but I think he did OK
same with Blackpool...

yup, he's left a fair few team as disaster zones - file alongside Harry Redknapp for me

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[Zlatan]

Dyche took us into the Premier League, he didn't have any experience at that level and we promptly got relegated.

I haven't suggested getting Fat Sam or Pardew, so please don't put words in my mouth. I have just asked the people who have suggested Duff or Cook would be their preferred candidates why they feel that they would be up to the task? They might well be, who knows. But last time we appointed an ex-player without managerial experience at our level it was considered an unequivocal disaster.

I didn't say you suggested Fat Sam or Pardew, they were mentioned on the thread. In fact you didn't actually make any suggestions at all, feel free to so we can discuss your ideas.

[tiger76]

Just out of curiosity, how many clubs can you name that Sam has left a wreck?

Well he started the lavish spending at Bolton, and when Phil Gartside refused to sanction more spending, BFS opted to leave rather than work with his existing squad.

He generally spends his way out of trouble when appointed, and he certainly wouldn't be able to do that at Burnley, so I couldn't see him getting any more out of our current squad then Sean has.

And he's also 65 hardly one for the future is he, and my biggest fear is he brings in a lot of highly paid players, and we still go down to the Championship, do you really see him sticking around for the long haul and bringing us back up, because I don't.

If it was a short term contract with strict financial restrictions imposed, then maybe he could be the answer, but I'd rather we thought longer term.

[Woodleyclaret]

Chris Hughton with Grezza as his No2 or Alex Neill also with Grezza

[williamjblazkowicz]

Off the top of my head, my choice would be Duff. Of course, it's normal that people think of former players -- most of us perhaps don't have extensive knowledge of managers in lower leagues who aren't ex Clarets. I know I don't! However, there are a few reasons why I have, for a good while, felt Duff would be the right choice. For starters, he knows the club inside-out. He was with us for a long time and knows where we've come from. I think that's important.

He obviously has coaching experience with us and will have learned a lot about Dyche. With most managers, you're looking at quite a bit of disruption, be it in the types of players we target, our philosophy, or play style. Duff could come in and work with the players we have, understand the system they're used to and gradually impose his own ideas and style over time. It could be more of a gradual transition to what he wants which would perhaps be better for us rather than blowing the whole thing up, clearing house and starting from scratch. It would be continuity, succession.

Duff is, I believe, a good character. He's someone who could come in and command the respect of players much like Dyche does through leading by example. He's done an excellent job at Cheltenham and I strongly believe he'll go on to bigger and better things. I don't buy into him needing to have managed at a particular level before us. The Laws comparison is lazy and predictable in that respect. Laws was not a young manager still learning his trade and had a certain way of going about things. Duff would, I think, be more flexible.

I have absolutely no idea if any of what I've said has made any sense. However, I've tried to express it as best I can!

[The Enclosure]

I think along similar lines.

But I do also think Big Sam is a stay up strategy and not try and improve on what we've done with finishing 7th and 10th over the last 3 seasons. It would be a case of finish 17th and that'll do.

It probably would.

[Zlatan]

I have absolutely no idea if any of what I've said has made any sense. However, I've tried to express it as best I can!

Echoes my thoughts too, I get it.

[ClaretTony]

Everton didn't do too bad, but they underperformed considering their resources at his disposal
Palace were in a mess when he left, Hodgson has stabilised them
England - that went well
Sunderland never recovered, doing fine in League 1
West Ham, treading water, but no thanks to him
Rovers... ahahahaha - shame they have a good manager now (in fact Mobray could be on our shortlist...)
Geordies have finally managed to get things together despite their current owner (who doesn't get the credit he deserves from their fans)
Bolton - basket case
Notts County - I honestly dont remember his management there, but I think he did OK
same with Blackpool...

yup, he's left a fair few team as disaster zones - file alongside Harry Redknapp for me

So then let's look at things fairly. He rescued Sunderland and Palace (where Frank de Boer replaced him). He also signed Schlupp, Van Aanholt and Milivojevic for Palace. He didn't leave either of them in a mess and had he stayed they wouldn't have dropped back into one. He did an incredible job at Bolton and was doing well at Blackburn until Venky's thought Steve Kean was a better bet. He took hold of West Ham and took them back to the Premier League too in his first season in charge and he did a decent job at Everton where they hardly under performed.

You clearly are no Allardyce fan but let's not let the facts get in the way.

[Long Time Lurker]

I'm definitely not saying that I want him here, but my money would be on Stuart Grey ( Assistant Manager at Fulham ) as our new Head Coach in the event of the Gaffer leaving.

[Zlatan]

So then let's look at things fairly. He rescued Sunderland and Palace (where Frank de Boer replaced him). He also signed Schlupp, Van Aanholt and Milivojevic for Palace. He didn't leave either of them in a mess and had he stayed they wouldn't have dropped back into one. He did an incredible job at Bolton and was doing well at Blackburn until Venky's thought Steve Kean was a better bet. He took hold of West Ham and took them back to the Premier League too in his first season in charge and he did a decent job at Everton where they hardly under performed.

You clearly are no Allardyce fan but let's not let the facts get in the way.

It's all about opinions, and you know mine apart from I don't dislike Allardyce, I just dont get the love in for him. As stated by others above, he traditionally spends is way out of trouble, much like Redknapp - which when he goes it leaves those clubs with expensive players on big contracts that no one can sort out and invariably those clubs then struggle for years to come.

What I will give him credit for is the early days of sport science he was a pioneer at Bolton, and I think it would be fair to make parallels to Dyche in that regard with us. In his later days at Bolton (with hindsight we may say the same about Dyche) he began to want more success and wanted to spend more money which ultimately crippled them permanently to what they are now.

[Rileybobs]

I didn't say you suggested Fat Sam or Pardew, they were mentioned on the thread. In fact you didn't actually make any suggestions at all, feel free to so we can discuss your ideas.

Well you intimated it when you said

F#ck it, you’re probably right - let’s get fat Sam or Pardew and let them p!ss money we don’t have away on show pony mercenaries, that’ll work.

I don’t need to make a suggestion to participate in the discussion. I am wondering what people think qualifies the likes of Duff and Cook for a managerial position at a Premier League side? Nobody seems to be able to provide anything other than the fact they used to play for Burnley, which as per my example didn’t work too well last time. No need to be so touchy, I’m asking a genuine question.

I honestly don’t know who I’d appoint if Dyche were to leave with us in this division. But for me it would almost certainly have to be somebody with experience at the top level.

[Zlatan]

Well you intimated it when you said

F#ck it, you’re probably right - let’s get fat Sam or Pardew and let them p!ss money we don’t have away on show pony mercenaries, that’ll work.

I don’t need to make a suggestion to participate in the discussion. I am wondering what people think qualifies the likes of Duff and Cook for a managerial position at a Premier League side? Nobody seems to be able to provide anything other than the fact they used to play for Burnley, which as per my example didn’t work too well last time. No need to be so touchy, I’m asking a genuine question.

I honestly don’t know who I’d appoint if Dyche were to leave with us in this division. But for me it would almost certainly have to be somebody with experience at the top level.

there's at least 2 of us on this very thread who have done that in regards to Duff.

I apologise if you misunderstood me to intimating you stated that you wanted Fat Sam or Pardew, I've already explained why I mentioned them.

[boatshed bill]

Don't blame me, you wanted to see the list. Next Burnley Manager odds:

1. Ian Woan 10/3
2. Sam Allardyce 5/1
3. Alan Pardew 6/1
4. Mark Hughes 9/1
5. Paul Clement 11/1
6. Lee Johnson/Joey Barton 13/1

What a shower of ****

[ClaretTony]

It's all about opinions, and you know mine apart from I don't dislike Allardyce, I just dont get the love in for him. As stated by others above, he traditionally spends is way out of trouble, much like Redknapp - which when he goes it leaves those clubs with expensive players on big contracts that no one can sort out and invariably those clubs then struggle for years to come.

What I will give him credit for is the early days of sport science he was a pioneer at Bolton, and I think it would be fair to make parallels to Dyche in that regard with us. In his later days at Bolton (with hindsight we may say the same about Dyche) he began to want more success and wanted to spend more money which ultimately crippled them permanently to what they are now.

Wasn't giving an opinion, just stating facts on how well he'd done at clubs. He's also made some very astute signings along the way too.

[Zlatan]

Fair enough. Just trying to debate it.

[The Enclosure]

Big Sam would do for me..says it as it is.A good fit for Burnley.

[Nonayforever]

I can't remember any of there names, but there must be at least 14 managers with premier League experience who worked for Watford .

[OssyClaret]

We shouldn't even be talking about staying up though to be honest. Get JBG starting and that improves us 50%.

He’s sh1t. Unless autocorrect changed Mee to JBG?

[LowtonClaret]

Why would he leave., 3.5M a year, a 2.5M if we stay up.! And let's be honest, nobody is knocking the door down for him.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Let’s be honest Dyche is amazing for us.

But no other team in this league would have him. As highlighted over the past 3 seasons when no one has gone in for him.

I would go as far as saying Eddie Howe is probably higher up the pecking order. It all boils down to playing style and unfortunately no other team in the league will accept a style like this.

Dyche is here for the long run.

[Top Claret]

Big Sam would do for me..says it as it is.A good fit for Burnley.

He would be a good fit, but we can't afford him.

We haven't got a pot to p!sh in

[Jakubclaret]

We shouldn't even be talking about staying up though to be honest. Get JBG starting and that improves us 50%.

True, if everybody stays fit throughout it’s plain sailing but that won’t happen, it’ll be a relegation dogfight season for sure. We’ve been relatively comfortable for a few seasons now & circumstances have caught up with us.

[Jakubclaret]

Unsurprisingly, that doesn't make sense.

I was actually trying to provoke/stimulate/prompt a suggestive response with something forthcoming regarding possible available managers it’s easier to criticise instead when other people are trying & getting knocked down for there efforts.

[Rileybobs]

I was actually trying to provoke/stimulate/prompt a suggestive response with something forthcoming regarding possible available managers it’s easier to criticise instead when other people are trying & getting knocked down for there efforts.

I haven’t criticised anyone. I asked people how they feel that Mike Duff or Paul Cook are qualified for the job. Seems the only qualification that sets them apart from dozens of other managers is having a player career at Burnley FC, which surely shouldn’t be the basis of their appointment should Dyche leave.

[JohnMac]

Clement is just a cone putter outer.

I wouldn't mind a top quality coach coming to the club with fresh ideas once the current team eventually depart.

We may end up going down this route with a systems based recruiting policy.

Not saying Clements but he did have a good CV as a coach.

[Zlatan]

His name is Michael... says so on his badge...

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[elwaclaret]

There was no clamour for Laws.

A clamour of the one that mattered.

[Jakubclaret]

I haven’t criticised anyone. I asked people how they feel that Mike Duff or Paul Cook are qualified for the job. Seems the only qualification that sets them apart from dozens of other managers is having a player career at Burnley FC, which surely shouldn’t be the basis of their appointment should Dyche leave.

Yes that’s true, but the suggestions are valid in the event of the job becoming vacant let’s be honest it wouldn’t draw a big big name, looking at recruiting & identifying something promising down the pyramid would be more feasible & with the nature of that the qualifications wouldn’t cover PL experience, you can completely dismiss or accept that viewpoint. People were only offering viable suggestions at the end of the day without prejudice.

[Steve1956]

Im starting to think Dyche only stays at burnley because he likes to hear people say " Dyche is the Premier Leagues longest serving manager"....lets face it boys the end of people saying that isnt very far away!
I'd like to see Mickey Mellon manage us in the future.

[BOYSIE31]

I simply have no idea to be honest. I do fear Hughes given his links with Rigg but I don't know who I'd want. Did I want Dyche? Not particularly but I didn't get the opportunity to interview him and I'm told he blew us away with the interview which left him the number one candidate by some distance. I'm not advocating Big Sam at all but he's the one that's been closest to Dyche in terms of treating the players with respect and honesty.

Or direct football

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I wouldn't mind a top quality coach coming to the club with fresh ideas once the current team eventually depart.

We may end up going down this route with a systems based recruiting policy.

Not saying Clements but he did have a good CV as a coach.

Great number 2, poor number 1.
Similar to Brian Kidd.

[Zlatan]

Im starting to think Dyche only stays at burnley because he likes to hear people say " Dyche is the Premier Leagues longest serving manager"....lets face it boys the end of people saying that isnt very far away!
I'd like to see Mickey Mellon manage us in the future.

Can I point out that’s only been the case since Eddie was potted recently

[Steve1956]

Can I point out that’s only been the case since Eddie was potted recently

I know,and Dyche loves that title!

[Steve1956]

With the close of the transfer window tonight,and everyone connected with the club knew we needed new players i think the club at this moment in time is staring into an abyss,we are completely rudderless,Garlick is letting it go to pot,Dyche tries to score points at Garlick's expense every chance he gets,they really need their heads banging together and put the club first not their petty little point scoring....this club is heading into a disaster.

[edlass]

Just hypothetically I like Paul Warne at Rotherham. I Heard a post match interview after they reached the L1 playoffs and I liked what I heard, it reminded me of Dyche. I've since followed how well he has done with Rotherham steadying the ship after relegation (though I'm not an expert) and getting them promoted again, then a tough second relegation but followed by another promotion and if they can stay up then its an achievement similar to Dyche keeping us up . I liked Dyche in the same way when I heard his Watford post match interviews too. I know the Prem is a different kettle of fish though.