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We've got some of the best talent from the Championship

Post by Spijed » Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:11 pm

In Pope, JBG, Wood, Taylor, Tarkowsi and even Barnes to a lesser extent we've unearthed some top talent from the Championship.

So the question is, are there any more players we can possibly attract who won't cost the earth but are good enough to play in the Prem?

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Re: We've got some of the best talent from the Championship

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:12 pm

Spijed wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:11 pm
In Pope, JBG, Wood, Taylor, Tarkowsi and even Barnes to a lesser extent we've unearthed some top talent from the Championship.

So the question is, are there any more players we can possibly attract who won't cost the earth but are good enough to play in the Prem?
No - we can't afford them any more.

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Re: We've got some of the best talent from the Championship

Post by randomclaret2 » Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:26 pm

Given that a large part of our First Team Squad is 30+ , where are going to find their replacements over the next 12/18 months ?
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Re: We've got some of the best talent from the Championship

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:29 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:26 pm
Given that a large part of our First Team Squad is 30+ , where are going to find their replacements over the next 12/18 months ?
Ask the chairman I suppose.

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Re: We've got some of the best talent from the Championship

Post by kentonclaret » Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:30 pm

Leagues 1 and 2 are still available as are numerous European Leagues if our scouting network stretches that far.

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Re: We've got some of the best talent from the Championship

Post by Dark Cloud » Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:37 pm

Just reading between the lines CT, you sound more than slightly p'd off! ;)
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Re: We've got some of the best talent from the Championship

Post by kentonclaret » Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:40 pm

How many write-ups did you have ready CT?

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Re: We've got some of the best talent from the Championship

Post by Right_winger » Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:40 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:37 pm
Just reading between the lines CT, you sound more than slightly p'd off! ;)
Reading between the lines? It’s as obvious as if it was written in big red letters with stars bursting behind the font.

Most of us as not exactly happy bunnies right now with the situation. The sad thing is it was foreseeable about 4 or 5 windows ago.
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Re: We've got some of the best talent from the Championship

Post by MACCA » Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:41 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:26 pm
Given that a large part of our First Team Squad is 30+ , where are going to find their replacements over the next 12/18 months ?
Dyche highlighted this to the chairman 2 years ago, nothings happened since to rectify it, doubt he will start acting now 6 hours before the window closes.

But it's ok, as we aim to end the window stronger than when it started...
As long as we keep aiming all is well.

Oh and season tickets are frozen again

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Re: We've got some of the best talent from the Championship

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:41 pm

We can afford to buy someone, but there needs to be confidence in a sell-on.

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Re: We've got some of the best talent from the Championship

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:42 pm

kentonclaret wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:40 pm
How many write-ups did you have ready CT?
None - I was very much of the belief that nothing was going to happen. It still could, and I'd be caught out, but I'd be very, very surprised if it did.

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Re: We've got some of the best talent from the Championship

Post by ClaretMov » Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:46 pm

Spijed wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:11 pm
In Pope, JBG, Wood, Taylor, Tarkowsi and even Barnes to a lesser extent we've unearthed some top talent from the Championship.

So the question is, are there any more players we can possibly attract who won't cost the earth but are good enough to play in the Prem?


Is this a bloody wind up....championship players that can play in the prem cost a minimum of 10 million but more like 20, there is no bargains to be had these day's, but even if they were we apparently after spending the last five year's in the premier league have no money.......BLOODY EMBARRASSING

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Re: We've got some of the best talent from the Championship

Post by Vegas Claret » Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:50 pm

so we can't afford to buy PL players, we can't afford to buy Championship players

Time for Garlick to vacate

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Re: We've got some of the best talent from the Championship

Post by dushanbe » Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:53 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:12 pm
No - we can't afford them any more.
If that’s a fact then it’s a complete myth about how well we are run

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Re: We've got some of the best talent from the Championship

Post by kentonclaret » Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:54 pm

The question is would there have been money to spend were it not for a pandemic forcing ground closures and possible repayment of TV monies?

If the answer is still No then it is embarrassing.
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Re: We've got some of the best talent from the Championship

Post by Dark Cloud » Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:54 pm

Surely the "capture" of Stephens from under the noses of the other "suitors" means we're clearly stronger than when the window opened!!! Let's be honest here! :?

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Re: We've got some of the best talent from the Championship

Post by kentonclaret » Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:58 pm

Burnley swoop for Premier League ace :x

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Re: We've got some of the best talent from the Championship

Post by BenWickes » Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:59 pm

dushanbe wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:53 pm
If that’s a fact then it’s a complete myth about how well we are run
More a case of they are at a Premium now. There are some bargains but look at what Watkins went for. We're not in that ball park. Nor should we be.

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Re: We've got some of the best talent from the Championship

Post by kentonclaret » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:06 pm

Players that are scoring loads of goals and bossing midfields in The Championship are obviously going to command a premium fee. Clubs that have spotted these players in the lower leagues and developed them (Brentford signing Ollie Watkins from Exeter City) are quite rightly going to cash in when they move the player on.

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Re: We've got some of the best talent from the Championship

Post by jrgbfc » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:09 pm

A bit surprised Buendia is still at Norwich. Not really suited to how we play and almost certainly out of our price range, but apart from that he'd be a great signing for us :lol:

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Re: We've got some of the best talent from the Championship

Post by warksclaret » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:12 pm

Villa are still shopping there because of Dean Smiths knowledge of this League-Watkins, Cash and their new centre half from Brentford getting great reviews reviews

We talked about getting Watkins, Cash and Jarred Bowen several years ago-now look at their values. We really need to spend time analysing how Brentford plan their sales and replacements. They apparently plan replacements one to two years of a player being sold. Now thats using data effectively-take note Mr Garlick & Rigg

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Re: We've got some of the best talent from the Championship

Post by dushanbe » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:13 pm

BenWickes wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:59 pm
More a case of they are at a Premium now. There are some bargains but look at what Watkins went for. We're not in that ball park. Nor should we be.
The players Spijed mentions weren’t the top players in the champ, with the exception of maybe Wood
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Re: We've got some of the best talent from the Championship

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:14 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:09 pm
A bit surprised Buendia is still at Norwich. Not really suited to how we play and almost certainly out of our price range, but apart from that he'd be a great signing for us :lol:
Think Norwich have gone with the thinking of keep their players and bounce straight back up.

To which I say fair play.

They've had a lot of offers for Pukki and turned them all down.

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Re: We've got some of the best talent from the Championship

Post by BurnleyFC » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:14 pm

Could we not have been in for the likes of Sessegnon or Guendouzi on loan?

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Re: We've got some of the best talent from the Championship

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:15 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:29 pm
Ask the chairman I suppose.
Would be good of him to tell supporters his grand plan.

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Re: We've got some of the best talent from the Championship

Post by kentonclaret » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:16 pm

Said Benrahma from Brentford :P

His fee and wages would make Garlick's eyes water for sure. :lol:

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Re: We've got some of the best talent from the Championship

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:17 pm

BurnleyFC wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:14 pm
Could we not have been in for the likes of Sessegnon or Guendouzi on loan?
Sessegnon wanted over 100k a week and we told him to **** off.

This is the thing that many fans don't get. We bring in someone and pay the, £120k a week. What's our average wage, 70k? So we bring in someone who is on almost twice as much and what happens? We get players annoyed as they earn less.

We get unhappy campers and they want more.
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Re: We've got some of the best talent from the Championship

Post by SMClaret » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:17 pm

Have to say the thought of a takeover used to terrify me but we're at a point where the next 3 or 4 years could see a big crash without one

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Re: We've got some of the best talent from the Championship

Post by kentonclaret » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:20 pm

"Could we not have been in for the likes of Sessegnon or Guendouzi on loan"

Given SD's shocking record with loan signings (Keane and Kightley exceptions) probably not a good idea as SD does not like the loan system.

Although Nathaniel Chalobah did get 66 minutes playing time when on loan from Chelsea. :lol:

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Re: We've got some of the best talent from the Championship

Post by bobinho » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:21 pm

Don’t think there’s a club in the PL who would seriously consider loaning us a player.... they want them to get time on the grass.

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Re: We've got some of the best talent from the Championship

Post by Spijed » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:23 pm

bobinho wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:21 pm
Don’t think there’s a club in the PL who would seriously consider loaning us a player.... they want them to get time on the grass.
Yes they would if it got players off their books. Man U. want rid of Phil Jones for example.

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Re: We've got some of the best talent from the Championship

Post by Burnley87 » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:25 pm

Has there been a more depressing time to be a burnley fan.

Honestly even when we we in the 4th division at least we all knew we were sh*t And we accepted that

This is like we have got a very good squad of players and we are only asking for some investment to keep the best manager we have had in a lifetime and keep the club moving forwards. With a couple of good additions we have a good enough squad to stay in the premier league.

Right now if the injuries carry on threw the season it’s not looking great

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Re: We've got some of the best talent from the Championship

Post by BOYSIE31 » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:28 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:29 pm
Ask the chairman I suppose.
Why not ask the manager first as these are the types he wants for his squad

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Re: We've got some of the best talent from the Championship

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:29 pm

bobinho wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:21 pm
Don’t think there’s a club in the PL who would seriously consider loaning us a player.... they want them to get time on the grass.
Trippier.
Mee.

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Re: We've got some of the best talent from the Championship

Post by KRBFC » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:30 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:17 pm
Sessegnon wanted over 100k a week and we told him to **** off.

This is the thing that many fans don't get. We bring in someone and pay the, £120k a week. What's our average wage, 70k? So we bring in someone who is on almost twice as much and what happens? We get players annoyed as they earn less.

We get unhappy campers and they want more.
Such a myth, you understand wages are worked around with bonuses and flat fees, right?
I’m also pretty sure clubs don’t typically pay the full wages of a loan signing and loan fees are more common.

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Re: We've got some of the best talent from the Championship

Post by Rumbletonk » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:30 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:15 pm
Would be good of him to tell supporters his grand plan.
Selling the club. It was supposed to go through on Friday. No idea why it didn't or if it's dead but if we sign anyone it will mean the takeover wont happen.

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Re: We've got some of the best talent from the Championship

Post by Silkyskills1 » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:44 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:28 pm
Why not ask the manager first as these are the types he wants for his squadw
The 'types' he acquired for the squad have kept us in this league for 5 consecutive seasons with good placings in a couple of them. Despite warnings the chairman has literally taken his eye off the ball and now appears clueless as to a plan for one season let alone any longer. The silence is deafening.

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Re: We've got some of the best talent from the Championship

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:49 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:30 pm
Such a myth, you understand wages are worked around with bonuses and flat fees, right?
I’m also pretty sure clubs don’t typically pay the full wages of a loan signing and loan fees are more common.
Understand your own reply and we might get somewhere.

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Re: We've got some of the best talent from the Championship

Post by bobinho » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:50 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:29 pm
Trippier.
Mee.
So they used to...

But now they won’t.... And I wouldn’t blame them. Am I right in saying SD didn’t bring those two in? I thought it was Eddie.

If Jones came from Utd, I imagine he MIGHT (I wouldn’t bet big money on it tho) get a game right now due to how short we are, but as soon as Ben is fit, he’d be on the bench again. That goes for any player in any position. We could bring in the best right winger in the PL in, but he’d have to wait for an injury to JBG and /or Brownhill to get a look in. SD just doesn’t use that market.

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Re: We've got some of the best talent from the Championship

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:53 pm

bobinho wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:50 pm
So they used to...

But now they won’t.... And I wouldn’t blame them. Am I right in saying SD didn’t bring those two in? I thought it was Eddie.

If Jones came from Utd, I imagine he MIGHT (I wouldn’t bet big money on it tho) get a game right now due to how short we are, but as soon as Ben is fit, he’d be on the bench again. That goes for any player in any position. We could bring in the best right winger in the PL in, but he’d have to wait for an injury to JBG and /or Brownhill to get a look in. SD just doesn’t use that market.
What pisses me off is.. well... Mee. He said he was training weeks ago.

We don't even need new players if Mee is back. Sure it'll help, but we're not desperate - we need depth, sure, but we're not desperate.

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Re: We've got some of the best talent from the Championship

Post by jrgbfc » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:53 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:14 pm
Think Norwich have gone with the thinking of keep their players and bounce straight back up.

To which I say fair play.

They've had a lot of offers for Pukki and turned them all down.
The centre back Godfrey has gone to Everton today, which I'm guessing is why they wanted Gibson. But yeah think they've kept everyone else. Was talk of Leeds being in for Cantwell but doesn't look like its happening now.

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Re: We've got some of the best talent from the Championship

Post by Vegas Claret » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:53 pm

and if we go down then we will be told we can't afford players from league 2

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Re: We've got some of the best talent from the Championship

Post by jrgbfc » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:57 pm

dushanbe wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:13 pm
The players Spijed mentions weren’t the top players in the champ, with the exception of maybe Wood
I'd say Gibson and Wood were regarded as two of the top players in the league when we signed them. Given that it appears we can't even afford to do that now it's hard to know where we go from here, with our refusal to use the European market.

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Re: We've got some of the best talent from the Championship

Post by KRBFC » Mon Oct 05, 2020 7:19 pm

Loftus cheek, Barkley, Sessegnon, Walcott just a few gone out on loan

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Re: We've got some of the best talent from the Championship

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Oct 05, 2020 7:20 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:53 pm
The centre back Godfrey has gone to Everton today, which I'm guessing is why they wanted Gibson. But yeah think they've kept everyone else. Was talk of Leeds being in for Cantwell but doesn't look like its happening now.
Still time. £100 million isn't enough for Leeds.

Good manager? He's decent. He needs the backing of £100 million though.
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Re: We've got some of the best talent from the Championship

Post by randomclaret2 » Mon Oct 05, 2020 7:21 pm

Some good lads in non League
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Re: We've got some of the best talent from the Championship

Post by BurnleyFC » Mon Oct 05, 2020 7:22 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 7:19 pm
Loftus cheek, Barkley, Sessegnon, Walcott just a few gone out on loan
And every single one would get into our team.

So frustrating.

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Re: We've got some of the best talent from the Championship

Post by KRBFC » Mon Oct 05, 2020 7:27 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 7:20 pm
Still time. £100 million isn't enough for Leeds.

Good manager? He's decent. He needs the backing of £100 million though.
So you keep telling us all, nobody gives a **** though

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Re: We've got some of the best talent from the Championship

Post by KRBFC » Mon Oct 05, 2020 7:38 pm

Guendouzi Delofeu Ghezzal another few

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Re: We've got some of the best talent from the Championship

Post by KRBFC » Mon Oct 05, 2020 7:38 pm

Bakayoko Felipe Anderson another couple

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