West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

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West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:46 pm

Still awaiting confirmation but it seems all Premier League games that are not selected for television coverage will now be shown on Sky Box Office or BT Box Office at a charge of £14.95 per game.

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by Danieljwaterhouse » Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:53 pm

Couldn’t disagree with this more.
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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by wilks_bfc » Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:59 pm

So the for the home games I’d have to pay another £15, on top of the sky subscription, to watch a game that I’ve already paid?
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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by JohnMac » Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:02 pm

It's a business Sky are running and the more 'free stuff' people expect, the less revenue will eventually be paid to the Clubs.

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by martin_p » Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:12 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:46 pm
Still awaiting confirmation but it seems all Premier League games that are not selected for television coverage will now be shown on Sky Box Office or BT Box Office at a charge of £14.95 per game.
Price is double what it should be, but it’s inevitable that they’d start charging for the games over and above what’s included in a subscription at some point.
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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:17 pm

wilks_bfc wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:59 pm
So the for the home games I’d have to pay another £15, on top of the sky subscription, to watch a game that I’ve already paid?
You might have paid for it with your season ticket but that money will be refunded.

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by NaturalBornClaret » Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:19 pm

We might get that money back but when?

We are already shelling out £38 a month for season ticket

Roughly £25 a month for sky sports

Now around £45 a month to watch games we have no way of attending or other way of watching

It’s crazy

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:21 pm

NaturalBornClaret wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:19 pm
We might get that money back but when?

We are already shelling out £38 a month for season ticket

Roughly £25 a month for sky sports

Now around £45 a month to watch games we have no way of attending or other way of watching

It’s crazy
It’s two different things NBC unfortunately. TV companies and our club who are doing very well at saying nothing.

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by Grumps » Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:22 pm

NaturalBornClaret wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:19 pm
We might get that money back but when?

We are already shelling out £38 a month for season ticket

Roughly £25 a month for sky sports

Now around £45 a month to watch games we have no way of attending or other way of watching

It’s crazy
You'll get it back in November

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by MACCA » Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:28 pm

So for an extra £15 per month you can guarantee to watch every Burnley league game that month?

That doesn't seem too, bad, especially as we are rarely on the main televised games.

Suppose you could wait to see how many times we will be on that up coming month and make a decision then.

If say you get 3 games in for £15, you are getting a great deal at £5 per game

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by claretburns » Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:30 pm

The problem is whilst we will be getting the season ticket money back, we are currently still paying for it and now having to pay Box Office fees along with BT and Sky subscription is a joke.

Mentioned on a previous thread about TV games but the Premier League/TV companies want to stop illegal streams online and all they are doing is driving fans to illegal online streams, me being one of them.
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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by wilks_bfc » Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:32 pm

MACCA wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:28 pm
So for an extra £15 per month you can guarantee to watch every Burnley league game that month?

That doesn't seem too, bad, especially as we are rarely on the main televised games.

Suppose you could wait to see how many times we will be on that up coming month and make a decision then.

If say you get 3 games in for £15, you are getting a great deal at £5 per game

It’s £15 per game not month. Box office is a PPV channel

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:32 pm

claretburns wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:30 pm
The problem is whilst we will be getting the season ticket money back, we are currently still paying for it and now having to pay Box Office fees along with BT and Sky subscription is a joke.

Mentioned on a previous thread about TV games but the Premier League/TV companies want to stop illegal streams online and all they are doing is driving fans to illegal online streams, me being one of them.
Seems a stupid idea as 100s of thousands of people will now illegally stream

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by claretburns » Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:32 pm

MACCA wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:28 pm
So for an extra £15 per month you can guarantee to watch every Burnley league game that month?

That doesn't seem too, bad, especially as we are rarely on the main televised games.

Suppose you could wait to see how many times we will be on that up coming month and make a decision then.

If say you get 3 games in for £15, you are getting a great deal at £5 per game
It will be £15 per game MACCA not £15 a month, so a lot of people won't be able to afford nor be happy about another pay.ent to watch football despite the high costs we already pay.

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by wilks_bfc » Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:34 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:17 pm
You might have paid for it with your season ticket but that money will be refunded.
I don’t doubt that but at the moment we are all paying for something that we are not receiving, but then expected to pay extra in order to get some version of it.
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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by ClaretAndJew » Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:34 pm

Didn't some people happily pay a tenner each for those League Cup games?
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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by NaturalBornClaret » Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:34 pm

How can anyone be sure we will get a season ticket refund in November been for mention from club for a while and we aren’t well know for swift action in these situations

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by the_fat_shearer » Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:35 pm

So are the clubs getting any extra money from Sky/BT or is this just Sky/BT making a bomb?

Burnley get X amount for TV money and people currently pay X amount for their TV subscription to watch the Burnley games on TV so these are extra shown on PPV. Surely the club should get a payment for those?

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:36 pm

wilks_bfc wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:34 pm
I don’t doubt that but at the moment we are all paying for something that we are not receiving, but then expected to pay extra in order to get some version of it.
Now offering refunds on season tickets but if you take it you forgo the option of going into a ballot this season.

Understand your point but it has been Burnley FC charging you for something you are not receiving but the Premier League/broadcasters charging you for something you will receive.

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by wilks_bfc » Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:37 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:34 pm
Didn't some people happily pay a tenner each for those League Cup games?

They did, but even if we had progressed, it would only have been 2 or 3 games at most as the later rounds would have been televised.

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by Wellsy1882 » Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:37 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:32 pm
Seems a stupid idea as 100s of thousands of people will now illegally stream
Everybody already does

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by wilks_bfc » Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:41 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:36 pm
Now offering refunds on season tickets but if you take it you forgo the option of going into a ballot this season.

Understand your point but it has been Burnley FC charging you for something you are not receiving but the Premier League/broadcasters charging you for something you will receive.
It’s not just the ballot you may be forgoing, it’s also not been clear that if you cancel the ST if you will get your same seat next time (unless I’ve missed it)

Edit: just read the clubs latest statement that seat will be guaranteed for return
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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by CFS » Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:44 pm

Fans who are paying for a ST don't have any room to complain.

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:47 pm

CFS wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:44 pm
Fans who are paying for a ST don't have any room to complain.
Not sure that’s got anything to do with this. Season ticket holder or not the charge for games is £14.95.

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by tiger76 » Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:48 pm

the_fat_shearer wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:35 pm
So are the clubs getting any extra money from Sky/BT or is this just Sky/BT making a bomb?

Burnley get X amount for TV money and people currently pay X amount for their TV subscription to watch the Burnley games on TV so these are extra shown on PPV. Surely the club should get a payment for those?
You'd like to think that'll be the case, otherwise all the subscribers are doing is lining Murdoch's pockets, and not assisting their specific club in any meaningful way.

How many peeps will actually fork out £15 for West Brom-Burnley is questionable, particularly in these tough times, and so any monies that either club did receive will likely be nominal compared to the usual TV lolly they generate.

My biggest worry is that the big clubs try and negotiate their own PPV channels on the back of these matches, it won't happen immediately, as the existing Sky package has a few years to run yet, but it wouldn't be the first time they've attempted such a move, and this would just increase the existing disparity between the giants and the medium ranking PL clubs such as ourselves, and make it that much harder to compete than it already is in this marketplace.

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:50 pm

People will die due to this Sky/BT decision.

Seems obvious that friends will gather together to watch instead of everyone paying £15 each time, particularly to watch a team they don’t support but have a casual interest. Companies should be doing all they can to discourage household mixing, not encourage it. It is the main Covid spreader and it often isn’t the youngish person bringing it in who suffers from it.

Seems melodramatic but it feels 99% certain that more people will die due to this one issue, compared to if it had stayed how the matches were broadcast in September.

2nd gripe is that this locks in the feeling that the Sky Sports subs are now way too much. Many sports still cancelled, no fans, no atmosphere - Not sure how anyone can justify £23 per month (in my case) then a bundle of £15s on top. It almost guarantees I’ll take a season ticket refund to fund the odd game on TV.
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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by MACCA » Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:55 pm

wilks_bfc wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:32 pm
It’s £15 per game not month. Box office is a PPV channel
Ahh right, wowzers, not such a great deal as first thought, but I'd presume for some of the bigger clubs fans £15 would be a small fraction of the cost of attending a game.
Some peoples match day outlay is 100's of pounds once ticket, travel, parking, food and drinks etc is taken into consideration.

Looking at it from.a neutral point of view, £15 for the whole family to watch will represent good to excellent value for some.

Shame we cannot gather at friends or families as you could take turns in hosting to save on cost.

Still, at £15 a game I'm sure some Burnley fans households will find it ok value and pay.

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by clarethomer » Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:55 pm

Sounds like a good plan to me.

Not ignoring the logistics and realities of cash flow for supporters but if paying £15 a game means:

- I can watch all games without having to fund illegal activity
- It is likely to reduce the financial implication on the club with rebates
- it’s going to be covered by my ST refund when it comes through.

This is a fair solution IMO.

It’s not fair for fans to expect these games to be free to air

It’s not fair to expect all games as part of your sky subscription either.

It’s the closest arrangement I could imagine to how fans could continue to pay to watch their team whilst the pandemic is locking us out of the stadiums.

For households with multiple ST holders it is even more value for money.

I believe you can get access to sky box office events on now tv so you don’t necessarily even need a sky subscription to view these.

Clearly missing a lot of detail but not sure why there is such an outrage outside of people struggling to cash flow the games - but you could find that they can get refunds back if this is now what has been agreed.

If you do have sky the box office wouldn’t debit your account until a month later I presume as it forms part of your bill. Therefore it may only be those purchasing on now tv that have the cash flow issue.

I do wonder also if there is a revenue split for this which again will help the club.

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:58 pm

Genie out of the bottle going forwards now I suspect even if things go back to “normal”.

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:58 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:50 pm
People will die due to this Sky/BT decision.
Might be worth confirming that this decision has NOT been taken by Sky & BT. It’s been taken by the clubs and it is the clubs who will get the money from those who pay the £14.95.
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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by Paul Waine » Fri Oct 09, 2020 3:00 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:34 pm
Didn't some people happily pay a tenner each for those League Cup games?
Yes, happily paid those 2 tenners.

I've now got a decision to make: do I continue with NOW TV Sport £25/month - lot's of games, maybe even one or two will be games Burnley are in? Do I accept BT Sport TV plan to increase my monthly fee + £4 and 3/9% addon + inflation in April? Do I also pay £15/game for the Burnley games that aren't picked for my existing £40+/month?

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by FactualFrank » Fri Oct 09, 2020 3:05 pm

Could this mean clubs earning more than they would have, if fans continue to not be in the ground?

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by 4:20 » Fri Oct 09, 2020 3:15 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:48 pm
You'd like to think that'll be the case, otherwise all the subscribers are doing is lining Murdoch's pockets, and not assisting their specific club in any meaningful way.
Correct me if I'm wrong, tiger76, I had it in my head that Murdoch has nothing to do with Sky anymore as Comcast bought them out in 2018?

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by aggi » Fri Oct 09, 2020 3:16 pm

Annoyingly this will impact on fans such as us more than fans of bigger clubs. The small number of times that Burnley are on TV will mean that Burnley fans will have to fork out a lot more than some of the other teams if they want to watch every game.
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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by randomclaret2 » Fri Oct 09, 2020 3:20 pm

Im sure Ive read somewhere the game has been put back to the Monday, or am I imagining that ?

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by Tall Paul » Fri Oct 09, 2020 3:25 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 3:20 pm
Im sure Ive read somewhere the game has been put back to the Monday, or am I imagining that ?
It's at 5:30pm on the Monday.
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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by MT03ALG » Fri Oct 09, 2020 3:36 pm

hesgoal.com is cheaper
Any information on Season Tickets paid by Direct Debit ?

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by IanMcL » Fri Oct 09, 2020 3:36 pm

Streaming becomes even more appealing!

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by arise_sir_charge » Fri Oct 09, 2020 3:42 pm

aggi wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 3:16 pm
Annoyingly this will impact on fans such as us more than fans of bigger clubs. The small number of times that Burnley are on TV will mean that Burnley fans will have to fork out a lot more than some of the other teams if they want to watch every game.
Ordinarily I'd agree but this is prime for the big games all going PPV as they will attract the bigger PPV income.

So we might find we end up on TV more often with your average Sky subscriber being shafted into the bargain!

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by wilks_bfc » Fri Oct 09, 2020 3:43 pm

MT03ALG wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 3:36 pm
hesgoal.com is cheaper
Any information on Season Tickets paid by Direct Debit ?
Just been announced this afternoon
https://www.burnleyfootballclub.com/con ... nds-update

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by DomBFC1882 » Fri Oct 09, 2020 3:44 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:46 pm
Still awaiting confirmation but it seems all Premier League games that are not selected for television coverage will now be shown on Sky Box Office or BT Box Office at a charge of £14.95 per game.
What an effing p**s take

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by aggi » Fri Oct 09, 2020 3:46 pm

arise_sir_charge wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 3:42 pm
Ordinarily I'd agree but this is prime for the big games all going PPV as they will attract the bigger PPV income.

So we might find we end up on TV more often with your average Sky subscriber being shafted into the bargain!
Interesting theory. I guess it depends on the revenue split as to what will be more profitable. You can also get Box Office without sky sports so Sky wouldn't want to risk losing subscribers. I'm sure someone is looking at the various scenarios though.

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by Stproc » Fri Oct 09, 2020 3:50 pm

It works out well again for the big clubs (and Leeds) who are on every weekend.

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by KRBFC » Fri Oct 09, 2020 3:57 pm

Shocking stuff really, people already shelled out for season tickets, monthly sky sports and BT sports packages now we are being charged another £60 a month?

Can I ask where this money is going to because it isn’t our transfer budget...

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Oct 09, 2020 3:59 pm

Finally able to get something on site

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by theboydonegood » Fri Oct 09, 2020 4:00 pm

No surprise - this is the only thing that gives fans a choice of being able to watch it and protects the clubs income stream.

Can't really complain about not spending millions in transfers and then expect them to exist on thin air.

If you don't want to pay - then don't. Kust don't start crying when we have to sell Tarky and Mcneil just to balance the books

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by LAM » Fri Oct 09, 2020 4:00 pm

Do we know how many times we are on Sky (non PPV) for the games that have been announced?

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by Jenny55 » Fri Oct 09, 2020 4:02 pm

MACCA wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:55 pm
Ahh right, wowzers, not such a great deal as first thought, but I'd presume for some of the bigger clubs fans £15 would be a small fraction of the cost of attending a game.
Some peoples match day outlay is 100's of pounds once ticket, travel, parking, food and drinks etc is taken into consideration.

Looking at it from.a neutral point of view, £15 for the whole family to watch will represent good to excellent value for some.

Shame we cannot gather at friends or families as you could take turns in hosting to save on cost.

Still, at £15 a game I'm sure some Burnley fans households will find it ok value and pay.
The thing is Macca, at £15 a game people from multiple households probably will gather to watch, which could create further infections.
We won’t be paying the £15 per game in our household. It’s not because we cannot afford it, it is simply because it doesn’t represent good value to watch what are essentially training matches. Football is just not appealing at present.

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by Paulclaret » Fri Oct 09, 2020 4:04 pm

I'm 67 years old and have been a season ticket holder for over 50 years, but I'm seriously getting totally fed up with football. I certainly won't be paying £15 to watch a game at 5.30pm on a Monday!
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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Fri Oct 09, 2020 4:26 pm

so fans of burnley fulham etc get screwed over compared with fans of united liverpool etc

surely our club will do something about it as completely unfair.

we could have an extra 25 PPV games compared to United fans.

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