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Re: Paris.

Post by Stayingup » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:14 pm

BurnleyFC wrote:
Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:29 pm
Religion. For idiots, by idiots.
Some people think footballs a religion. In fact I might subscribe to that creed.

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Re: Paris.

Post by Bosscat » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:17 pm

Karl Marx said Religion was the opium of the people ...

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Re: Paris.

Post by Stayingup » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:21 pm

Erasmus wrote:
Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:42 pm
From Christian scripture, we have 'Spare not the Amalekites', including suckling babes. I believe Cromwell's men used it as a battle cry when slaughtering Catholics at Drogheda. Buddhist and Hindu scriptures probably less so, but don't tell totto.
Or in the case Pisttup 'Spare not the home brew'

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Re: Paris.

Post by Stayingup » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:22 pm

Bosscat wrote:
Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:17 pm
Karl Marx said Religion was the opium of the people ...
He had a point there but his doctrine in todays world is but lunacy.
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Re: Paris.

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:22 pm

What about, whataboutery?

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Re: Paris.

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:28 pm

Damo wrote:
Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:06 pm
Are you really surprised?

The usual suspects will be calling you all sorts of names for mentioning this once the dust has settled
Honestly yes

I was waiting for more information to come out before discussing it, but I was also waiting for someone else to start a thread, I got bored of waiting.

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Re: Paris.

Post by RingoMcCartney » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:31 pm

Looking back up this thread, I remember that the 80’s & 90’s. It was a common narrative to suggest religion was the route of all evil, esp on the left. Mainly because it was Judaism & Christianity under attack. Now, because of multiculturalism, it is no longer justified to criticize a particular religion, especially by the Left.

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Re: Paris.

Post by RingoMcCartney » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:33 pm

We’re lucky in England, we don’t have any terrorists as in France,we just have people with " mental health problems." In the meantime, remember.

D I V E R S I T Y I S O U R S T R E N G TH

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Re: Paris.

Post by RingoMcCartney » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:36 pm

With multiculturalism , the following forms of religious/cultural revenge have become common in Europe — beheadings, acid & machete attacks. No reasonable person would welcome that into their society. The people have been betrayed, does anybody, hand on heart, genuinely believe it's going to get better, not worse?

Anybody?.....
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Re: Paris.

Post by Stayingup » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:37 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:
Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:33 pm
We’re lucky in England, we don’t have any terrorists as in France,we just have people with " mental health problems." In the meantime, remember.

D I V E R S I T Y I S O U R S T R E N G TH
Well when we are Force Fed it by the BBC it does wear thin.
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Re: Paris.

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:38 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:
Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:31 pm
Looking back up this thread, I remember that the 80’s & 90’s. It was a common narrative to suggest religion was the route of all evil, esp on the left. Mainly because it was Judaism & Christianity under attack. Now, because of multiculturalism, it is no longer justified to criticize a particular religion, especially by the Left.
The thread started out as suggesting religion was the route of all evil but one poster wasnt happy with that and wanted it to be focused just on a very certain religion hence the route this thread has taken.

Im not sure what we term this need for certain people from certain political positions to be obsessed with certain religions rather than the good all days when we could just criticise all religion across the board for some of the atrocities it is responsible for but maybe the messageboard snake could come up with something?

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Re: Paris.

Post by RingoMcCartney » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:41 pm

Stayingup wrote:
Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:37 pm
Well when we are Force Fed it by the BBC and the it does wear thin.
BBC!? Give over!💩🤭

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Re: Paris.

Post by RingoMcCartney » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:42 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:38 pm
The thread started out as suggesting religion was the route of all evil but one poster wasnt happy with that and wanted it to be focused just on a very certain religion hence the route this thread has taken.

Im not sure what we term this need for certain people from certain political positions to be obsessed with certain religions rather than the good all days when we could just criticise all religion across the board for some of the atrocities it is responsible for but maybe the messageboard snake could come up with something?
Majority.....

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Re: Paris.

Post by bfcjg » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:44 pm

"Asylum seekers welcome here" chant the left, display the banners, block deportations, attack verbally and physically anyone who questions them but when things like this happen it's well he was I'll, teacher should have respected the cultural diversity, where were the police, he should have had counciling, authorities fault etc etc etc. What these left wing empty heads dont realise is they and their liberal views are the first casualties of Islamic rule.
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Re: Paris.

Post by Stayingup » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:54 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:38 pm
The thread started out as suggesting religion was the route of all evil but one poster wasnt happy with that and wanted it to be focused just on a very certain religion hence the route this thread has taken.

Im not sure what we term this need for certain people from certain political positions to be obsessed with certain religions rather than the good all days when we could just criticise all religion across the board for some of the atrocities it is responsible for but maybe the messageboard snake could come up with something?
Well the thread is entitled 'Paris'. It relates to a shocking event there. That shocking event was enacted on religeous grounds by a lunatic. That can't be denied.

What is this about certain political positions being obsessed with a religion? Its nonesense is that. Its crime here comitted by a lunatic shouting what?
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Re: Paris.

Post by RingoMcCartney » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:55 pm

Does anybody, hand on heart, genuinely believe it's going to get better, not worse?

Anybody?.....
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Re: Paris.

Post by LeadBelly » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:56 pm

This was a far more shocking (and deliberately planned) death than the one that happened in Minneapolis in May so I presume our EPL players will be having minute silences (or some such) before the next umpteen rounds of EPL games in sympathy with the innocent victim & to show a bit of solidarity for the many French players now in the EPL.
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Re: Paris.

Post by RingoMcCartney » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:58 pm

LeadBelly wrote:
Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:56 pm
This was a far more shocking (and deliberately planned) death than the one that happened in Minneapolis in May so I presume our EPL players will be having minute silences (or some such) before the next umpteen rounds of EPL games in sympathy with the innocent victim & to show a bit of solidarity for the many French players now in the EPL.
Do French lives matter?

We shall see.

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Re: Paris.

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:02 pm

What a gutter this site is at times.
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Re: Paris.

Post by Wile E Coyote » Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:15 pm

LeadBelly wrote:
Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:56 pm
This was a far more shocking (and deliberately planned) death than the one that happened in Minneapolis in May so I presume our EPL players will be having minute silences (or some such) before the next umpteen rounds of EPL games in sympathy with the innocent victim & to show a bit of solidarity for the many French players now in the EPL.
A valid point . though I rather doubt there will be a show of unity for this death.
makes one wonder who really exerts the political pressure when it matters.
We are being duped, and its scandalous.
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Re: Paris.

Post by Damo » Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:42 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:02 pm
What a gutter this site is at times.
Genuine question.
Which post prompted this reply?
If you can highlight it then we can all agree that the conversation should be shut down because of said post, and not because its a subject you don't feel comfortable discussing
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Re: Paris.

Post by RingoMcCartney » Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:48 pm

One man's "gutter" is a similar man's brief, but sadly rare, peak, into what most right and fair minded folk, are thinking and increasingly saying's world.

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Re: Paris.

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:55 pm

Damo wrote:
Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:42 pm
Genuine question.
Which post prompted this reply?
If you can highlight it then we can all agree that the conversation should be shut down because of said post, and not because its a subject you don't feel comfortable discussing
There wasn't one single post that prompted my response. I compared this board to a gutter due to the numerous posts which are using someone's tragic death as a vehicle to parrot their bigoted views. What has this incident got to do with PL players taking the knee for example?

I don't want the conversation to be shut down, and I'm perfectly comfortable discussing this, or any subject. I'm not sure how my post has led you to think otherwise.

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Re: Paris.

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:56 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:
Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:48 pm
One man's "gutter" is a similar man's brief, but sadly rare, peak, into what most right and fair minded folk, are thinking and increasingly saying's world.
I'm not in any way similar to you.

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Re: Paris.

Post by RingoMcCartney » Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:57 pm

Feeding the crocodile hoping it eats them last......
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Re: Paris.

Post by RingoMcCartney » Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:58 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:56 pm
I'm not in any way similar to you.
Read my post again and you'll realise I'm not in any, way, shape or form suggesting you are.

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Re: Paris.

Post by Wile E Coyote » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:01 am

no flying banners, no tik tok frenzied outrage, no BBC frothing at the mouth, no radio campaigns, no twitter storms. WHY ?
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Re: Paris.

Post by Damo » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:07 am

Rileybobs wrote:
Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:55 pm
There wasn't one single post that prompted my response. I compared this board to a gutter due to the numerous posts which are using someone's tragic death as a vehicle to parrot their bigoted views. What has this incident got to do with PL players taking the knee for example?

I don't want the conversation to be shut down, and I'm perfectly comfortable discussing this, or any subject. I'm not sure how my post has led you to think otherwise.
Would you please highlight them and explain why you think said posts make this board a gutter?

For your own and the people who liked your post's credibility please.
It just smacks of the stock response to these situations when you want the thread to be locked because you don't feel comfortable discussing it. I'd like the mods to know what it is that you feel is offensive and deserving of the conversation being being ended

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Re: Paris.

Post by Rileybobs » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:17 am

Damo wrote:
Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:07 am
Would you please highlight them and explain why you think said posts make this board a gutter?

For your own and the people who liked your post's credibility please
Im not linking each post, but the following posters on this page are using someone’s horrific death as an opportunity to fuel their agenda;

RingoMcCartney
bfcjg
LeadBelly
Wile E Coyote

What on earth does this person’s death have to do with diversity, PL players taking the knee, Black Lives Matter or asylum seekers?

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Re: Paris.

Post by martin_p » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:20 am

Damo wrote:
Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:07 am
Would you please highlight them and explain why you think said posts make this board a gutter?

For your own and the people who liked your post's credibility please.
It just smacks of the stock response to these situations when you want the thread to be locked because you don't feel comfortable discussing it. I'd like the mods to know what it is that you feel is offensive and deserving of the conversation being being ended
What is there to discuss? A man has been murdered by a religious fanatic. It’s a horrible thing that should be condemned by all but no reflection on the vast majority of law abiding followers of the religion. People do bad things in the name of religion but it’s not something I think we can do anything to prevent, the same with the vast majority of murders. If you think there’s a solution then what is it?
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Re: Paris.

Post by daveisaclaret » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:22 am

How peabrained do you need to be to compare reaction to this to the reaction to the murder of George Floyd? The guy who did this was shot dead by police within minutes.

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Re: Paris.

Post by Rileybobs » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:25 am

Damo wrote:
Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:07 am
Would you please highlight them and explain why you think said posts make this board a gutter?

For your own and the people who liked your post's credibility please.
It just smacks of the stock response to these situations when you want the thread to be locked because you don't feel comfortable discussing it. I'd like the mods to know what it is that you feel is offensive and deserving of the conversation being being ended
I replied before you edited your post to add the final paragraph. I don’t care what my post smacks of to you. I definitely don’t want this thread to be locked, I don’t want any threads to be locked on here. I’m perfectly comfortable discussing this, and I’m just as comfortable for the bigots to show themselves up, although I am ashamed that I share my support of this club with these people. You’re very wide of the mark.

If you’re comfortable with the posts of Ringo etc on this thread then it says a lot more about you than me.

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Re: Paris.

Post by fidelcastro » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:29 am

martin_p wrote:
Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:20 am
What is there to discuss? A man has been murdered by a religious fanatic. It’s a horrible thing that should be condemned by all but no reflection on the vast majority of law abiding followers of the religion. People do bad things in the name of religion but it’s not something I think we can do anything to prevent, the same with the vast majority of murders. If you think there’s a solution then what is it?
Oh they have a solution. It's one that's been tried before.

That ended really well, didn't it?

:(

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Re: Paris.

Post by Damo » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:29 am

martin_p wrote:
Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:20 am
What is there to discuss? A man has been murdered by a religious fanatic. It’s a horrible thing that should be condemned by all but no reflection on the vast majority of law abiding followers of the religion. People do bad things in the name of religion but it’s not something I think we can do anything to prevent, the same with the vast majority of murders. If you think there’s a solution then what is it?
You don't want people to discuss it? That's fine. Can people discuss it? Yes they absolutely can. Until people cross a line then they can discuss it.
The person I quoted still hasn't properly explained why the discussion so far has turned the board into a gutter.
You agree with him and I expect you will explain on his behalf.
Again, "this board is a gutter" just smacks of asking the mods to end the discussion
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Re: Paris.

Post by martin_p » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:32 am

Damo wrote:
Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:29 am
You don't want people to discuss it? That's fine. Can people discuss it? Yes they absolutely can. Until people cross a line then they can discuss it.
The person I quoted still hasn't properly explained why the discussion so far has turned the board into a gutter.
You agree with him and I expect you will explain on his behalf.
Again, "this board is a gutter" just smacks of asking the mods to end the discussion
Where did I say I don’t want people to discuss it? I even offered you a discussion point that you’ve completely ignored. Ironically you’re the one that’s closing the conversation down by taking it on a tangent!

So again, what do people think is the solution?
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Re: Paris.

Post by Damo » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:33 am

Rileybobs wrote:
Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:25 am
I replied before you edited your post to add the final paragraph. I don’t care what my post smacks of to you. I definitely don’t want this thread to be locked, I don’t want any threads to be locked on here. I’m perfectly comfortable discussing this, and I’m just as comfortable for the bigots to show themselves up, although I am ashamed that I share my support of this club with these people. You’re very wide of the mark.

If you’re comfortable with the posts of Ringo etc on this thread then it says a lot more about you than me.
I'm comfortable with the posts of everyone thus far, apart from the ones wanting the discussion to be ended.
I like to know what people think whether I agree with it or not

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Re: Paris.

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:34 am

fidelcastro wrote:
Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:29 am
Oh they have a solution. It's one that's been tried before.

That ended really well, didn't it?

:(
Can I invoke Godwins law here?

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Re: Paris.

Post by Rileybobs » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:34 am

Damo wrote:
Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:33 am
I'm comfortable with the posts of everyone thus far, apart from the ones wanting the discussion to be ended.
I like to know what people think whether I agree with it or not
Who wants the discussion to be ended?

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Re: Paris.

Post by martin_p » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:35 am

Damo wrote:
Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:33 am
I'm comfortable with the posts of everyone thus far, apart from the ones wanting the discussion to be ended.
I like to know what people think whether I agree with it or not
You’re the only person on the thread that has mentioned ending the discussion and you’re the one that has effectively ended it. Get back on topic.

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Re: Paris.

Post by Damo » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:40 am

Rileybobs wrote:
Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:34 am
Who wants the discussion to be ended?
You. When you said "what a gutter this board is at times" without providing examples of what was said that makes this board a gutter at times.

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Re: Paris.

Post by fidelcastro » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:41 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:34 am
Can I invoke Godwins law here?
If you like, but what do you think certain posters on here want to happen?

Sure, they want killing in the name of religion to stop, but how do you think they'd go about this if they were in charge?

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Re: Paris.

Post by Spiral » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:41 am

Folk on here who w@ank off to the dictionary definition of the word pogrom.

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Re: Paris.

Post by Damo » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:41 am

martin_p wrote:
Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:35 am
You’re the only person on the thread that has mentioned ending the discussion and you’re the one that has effectively ended it. Get back on topic.
Provide and example of what makes this board a gutter at times

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Re: Paris.

Post by Spiral » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:42 am

Ringo's punctuation.

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Re: Paris.

Post by martin_p » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:43 am

Damo wrote:
Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:41 am
Provide and example of what makes this board a gutter at times
So you won’t talk about the murder in Paris but accuse others of not wanting to discuss it. On that irony overload I’m off to bed.

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Re: Paris.

Post by Damo » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:47 am

martin_p wrote:
Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:43 am
So you won’t talk about the murder in Paris but accuse others of not wanting to discuss it. On that irony overload I’m off to bed.
I dont think I've even talked about the murder in Paris. And you retreating to bed suggests you don't want to talk about it either.
Irony indeed

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Re: Paris.

Post by Rileybobs » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:48 am

Damo wrote:
Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:40 am
You. When you said "what a gutter this board is at times" without providing examples of what was said that makes this board a gutter at times.
Please explain how that statement is an attempt at getting the discussion ended? If I wanted to end the discussion then surely I would complain to the moderators? You’re just not making sense.

And I told you explicitly why I compared the board to a gutter, but I note that you haven’t bothered to respond to that.

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Re: Paris.

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:49 am

fidelcastro wrote:
Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:41 am
If you like, but what do you think certain posters on here want to happen?

Sure, they want killing in the name of religion to stop, but how do you think they'd go about this if they were in charge?
Pretty sure people don't want another Nazi inspired genocide but hey ho, you went down that rabbit hole for some bizarre reason.

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Re: Paris.

Post by fidelcastro » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:53 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:49 am
Pretty sure people don't want another Nazi inspired genocide but hey ho, you went down that rabbit hole for some bizarre reason.
In their hearts... that's exactly what they want.

Of course, they'd see it as eliminating the vermin from our world.

Sound familiar?

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Re: Paris.

Post by Damo » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:55 am

Rileybobs wrote:
Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:48 am
Please explain how that statement is an attempt at getting the discussion ended? If I wanted to end the discussion then surely I would complain to the moderators? You’re just not making sense.

And I told you explicitly why I compared the board to a gutter, but I note that you haven’t bothered to respond to that.
You said the board is a gutter. That's a red flag to anyone who moderates this this board without explaining what it is that makes the board a gutter
You mentioned people being against footballers taking the knee? Does that make the message board a gutter in your opinion? That's the only thing you seem to be offended by. When I say offended too, I mean offended hence your reference to being a gutter

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