End child food poverty

[Terrybfc]

Please everybody sign the following petition.

Let’s show this government we won’t take tonight’s heartless decision lying down, let’s also show Mr Higginbotham his vote was not representative of his constituents values.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petition ... e%20sign🙌🏼

Thank you

[tarkys_ears]

Teach the "pull out" method in school then.

[ClaretAndJew]

Teach the "pull out" method in school then.

I was actuary taught a variety of contraceptive techniques.

[tarkys_ears]

Bit bored of this question...

"Oh hello Mr Tarkys_ears. Why did you wait 7 years between children?"

"So I could afford them"

...never seems to be an answer anyone has ever considered

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Those proposals are not going to end child food poverty in the long term.

I applaud the actions of the likes of Rashford etc in ensuring that kids have been looked after during the pandemic but this is only a short term measure.

[Terrybfc]

Those proposals are not going to end child food poverty in the long term.

I applaud the actions of the likes of Rashford etc in ensuring that kids have been looked after during the pandemic but this is only a short term measure.

I accept that, hopefully this short term measure will kickstart the implementation of a long term solution. I’m sure you agree that in 2020 no child should be going hungry

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I accept that, hopefully this short term measure will kickstart the implementation of a long term solution. I’m sure you agree that in 2020 no child should be going hungry

I don't think any child should go hungry, I've got 3 of my own and they've never gone without food, their mothers have done a great job of making sure that doesn't happen, with my help when needed.

I also think the gov should be helping out a bit more for the duration of this pandemic.

My point being that those aren't long term strategies.

[Terrybfc]

I don't think any child should go hungry, I've got 3 of my own and they've never gone without food, their mothers have done a great job of making sure that doesn't happen, with my help when needed.

I also think the gov should be helping out a bit more for the duration of this pandemic.

My point being that those aren't long term strategies.

It’s a credit to you and their mothers that there has always been food on the table. I can only hope that, even if it is short-term, this strategy will feed children during Christmas time and during a pandemic when finances are extremely tight

[dsr]

It’s a credit to you and their mothers that there has always been food on the table. I can only hope that, even if it is short-term, this strategy will feed children during Christmas time and during a pandemic when finances are extremely tight

Chicken £3, potatoes £1, carrots and parsnips 70p, Yorkshire puddings 4p each, sausages 13p each, Christmas dinner for a family of 6 = £5. And broth from the bones. There are no doubt a few parents who can't save up £5 for Christmas Day, but surely only a very few.

I think a lot of the problem is that a lot of people don't know how to cook. Free cooking lessons might do a lot of good.

[Taffy on the wing]

Chicken £3, potatoes £1, carrots and parsnips 70p, Yorkshire puddings 4p each, sausages 13p each, Christmas dinner for a family of 6 = £5. And broth from the bones. There are no doubt a few parents who can't save up £5 for Christmas Day, but surely only a very few.

I think a lot of the problem is that a lot of people don't know how to cook. Free cooking lessons might do a lot of good.

Is that you Maggie?.......WHAT are you on?

[dsr]

Is that you Maggie?.......WHAT are you on?

Well, tomorrow I'm on roast chicken with potatoes, carrots and parsnips. On Friday I'll be on broth.

[Terrybfc]

Chicken £3, potatoes £1, carrots and parsnips 70p, Yorkshire puddings 4p each, sausages 13p each, Christmas dinner for a family of 6 = £5. And broth from the bones. There are no doubt a few parents who can't save up £5 for Christmas Day, but surely only a very few.

I think a lot of the problem is that a lot of people don't know how to cook. Free cooking lessons might do a lot of good.

Unfortunately if we factor in minimum wage being £348.80 a week, a mortgage or rent, energy bills, possibly credit cards, plus the expense of Christmas could easily take a big chunk out of this wage. I’m not arguing that a meal can’t be made fairly cheaply, I’m just trying to emphasise that unfortunately some people can’t afford that £5

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Unfortunately if we factor in minimum wage being £348.80 a week, a mortgage or rent, energy bills, possibly credit cards, plus the expense of Christmas could easily take a big chunk out of this wage. I’m not arguing that a meal can’t be made fairly cheaply, I’m just trying to emphasise that unfortunately some people can’t afford that £5

I've said for years now that house prices are in need of capping, which would also bring down rent prices.

Whenever I've said it on here a number of people get the arse with me.

[Rowls]

I've said for years now that house prices are in need of capping, which would also bring down rent prices.

Whenever I've said it on here a number of people get the arse with me.

People maybe disagree with the merits of the idea.

[Terrybfc]

I've said for years now that house prices are in need of capping, which would also bring down rent prices.

Whenever I've said it on here a number of people get the arse with me.

I think when houses get about £250k we really are talking stupid money. These can take £800-£1200 a month to mortgage which is truly unsustainable - these are also Burnley prices, don’t get me started on the cost of a London flat

[chadders]

I know a few people who have lost their jobs as a result of the pandemic. I'm aware of a hell of a lot more in my industry who are going to lose their jobs in January and, I dunno, but many have children so surely some assistance in the short term is not unreasonable. I guess they should have anticipated lising their jobs before they had kids. My partner has become disabled recently and cannot work. I guess she should have anticipated that too. Fortunately I can support our family but its tight. Lets look to the short term to help those that need it. Rather than looking at the 'supposed majority' who aren't fit to have kids.

[Terrybfc]

I know a few people who have lost their jobs as a result of the pandemic. I'm aware of a hell of a lot more in my industry who are going to lose their jobs in January and, I dunno, but many have children so surely some assistance in the short term is not unreasonable. I guess they should have anticipated lising their jobs before they had kids. My partner has become disabled recently and cannot work. I guess she should have anticipated that too. Fortunately I can support our family but its tight. Lets look to the short term to help those that need it. Rather than looking at the 'supposed majority' who aren't fit to have kids.

I’m really sorry to hear that, I hope things pick up for you in the near future as much as they can. I hope everyone who is against this remembers this is a PM who said in interview he “doesn’t know the cost of a loaf, however can tell you the price of a bottle of champagne.”

This government is completely out of touch with anybody in a low income, I’m hopeful people start to see this soon.

[chadders]

Thanks Terry. Really appreciate that. My partner had a major stroke from lifting something heavy. Completely out of the blue. We're doing ok 12 months on and things are 'easing'. I'm donating to the Marcus Rashford fund (through the co-op I think). Trying to help where I can. Its tight though.

[martin_p]

Bit bored of this question...

"Oh hello Mr Tarkys_ears. Why did you wait 7 years between children?"

"So I could afford them"

...never seems to be an answer anyone has ever considered

Well done for successfully factoring in a global pandemic when making your calculations, perhaps a few weren’t quite as clever.

[MACCA]

Signed.

Regardless of whether or not people agree if current way works or not, nobody should go hungry.

[DAVETHEVICAR]

The original post was asking people to sign the petition.
I have signed it.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Signed

[Colburn_Claret]

I accept that, hopefully this short term measure will kickstart the implementation of a long term solution. I’m sure you agree that in 2020 no child should be going hungry

Do you believe that parents bear any responsibility for this, or do you think its ALL the governments fault?

[Terrybfc]

Do you believe that parents bear any responsibility for this, or do you think its ALL the governments fault?

That’s dependent on the parents’ circumstances. I just believe support should be there for the most vulnerable, especially at times like these

[Wellsy1882]

Dont have em if you cant feed em

[Terrybfc]

Dont have em if you cant feed em

Parents may have been able to feed them; finances could’ve easily changed over the past 7 months due to job losses/decreased income. That is not the parents or the child’s fault

[Rileybobs]

Dont have em if you cant feed em

And don’t be born if your parents can’t afford to feed you? This isn’t about rewarding bad parents, it’s about protecting vulnerable children. It really isn’t a difficult concept to grasp.

[Greenmile]

Do you believe that parents bear any responsibility for this, or do you think its ALL the governments fault?

It’s irrelevant whether the parents are responsible or not. The question you should ask if whether the children themselves bear any responsibility - the answer is “no”.

[Wellsy1882]

And don’t be born if your parents can’t afford to feed you? This isn’t about rewarding bad parents, it’s about protecting vulnerable children. It really isn’t a difficult concept to grasp.

Funny thought when overpaid footballers are campaigning

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Funny thought when overpaid footballers are campaigning

So you find it funny when a man from a poor background uses his current position in life to highlight an issue, which has resulted in a change in position by the gov this year?

Not right in the head are you really?

[Terrybfc]

Funny thought when overpaid footballers are campaigning

I struggle to see how Antony Higginbotham has earned his wage since he was elected so we could argue he is overpaid too

[GodIsADeeJay81]

People maybe disagree with the merits of the idea.

Of course they do, because they're looking at it from their own selfish view point as to them it's a retirement nest egg etc.

[Rileybobs]

Funny thought when overpaid footballers are campaigning

Missing the point entirely, unsurprisingly. It’s not the responsibility of people like Rashford to find a system to protect the vulnerable in society. Yet, he seems to be doing more than any other footballer or other highly paid person to campaign about this issue so it’s very strange to single Rashford out.

[Colburn_Claret]

It’s irrelevant whether the parents are responsible or not. The question you should ask if whether the children themselves bear any responsibility - the answer is “no”.

I haven't read a post from anyone on this board who doesn't have sympathy for the children., no-one.
And I'm not suggesting the government should wash its hands of the issue, but too many people on here have expressed the opinion that its the governments fault, when to me and others, it clearly isn't.
Taking your stance of never mind whose fault it is, just feed the children, whilst it might well be done with the best of intentions, doesn't resolve the underlying problem.

If children are going to bed hungry, and I'm not arguing they're not, then there should be just as many parents walking around looking as if they've just been released from Belsen. Where are these starving parents, because there isn't any near me, and I've never seen any in Burnley on a match day either.
Maybe Marcus would be better off promoting courses for good parenting, rather than feed the kids, and giving those parents a free pass.
We all want children to be well fed and cared for, all of us, if you really want to do that it would help if you pointed the finger in the right direction.

[Bosscat]

I was actuary taught a variety of contraceptive techniques.

They must have been "insuring" you learned about contraception

[Terrybfc]

I haven't read a post from anyone on this board who doesn't have sympathy for the children., no-one.
And I'm not suggesting the government should wash its hands of the issue, but too many people on here have expressed the opinion that its the governments fault, when to me and others, it clearly isn't.
Taking your stance of never mind whose fault it is, just feed the children, whilst it might well be done with the best of intentions, doesn't resolve the underlying problem.

If children are going to bed hungry, and I'm not arguing they're not, then there should be just as many parents walking around looking as if they've just been released from Belsen. Where are these starving parents, because there isn't any near me, and I've never seen any in Burnley on a match day either.
Maybe Marcus would be better off promoting courses for good parenting, rather than feed the kids, and giving those parents a free pass.
We all want children to be well fed and cared for, all of us, if you really want to do that it would help if you pointed the finger in the right direction.

Just because kids are going hungry it doesn’t mean their parents are ‘bad.’ It’s also not about looking malnourished, remember these kids are currently receiving FSM, it’s over the Christmas holidays where the main concern is. Food is vital for the development of a child, it’s a basic human right that they receive some sort of support when they they have no food. On the topic of matchday, this may be due to a trip to turf moor not being a priority to a family in poverty

[CombatClaret]

oing to bed hungry, and I'm not arguing they're not, then there should be just as many parents walking around looking as if they've just been released from Belsen. Where are these starving parents, because there isn't any near me, and I've never seen any in Burnley on a match day either.

Shocking you don't see much food poverty at your £27 a week hobby.

[Berne Leigh]

Looking after the vulnerable in our society is a must and children should not be going hungry. However there has to be some accountability too.

In many cases families find themselves in poverty for reasons beyond their control and as a society we need to be there to support them.

However in other cases choices and priorities need to be looked at. Yes children are expensive, you know that before you decide to have one. Subscription TV is not an essential, playstations etc are not essential, the latest model of phone is not an essential, cigarettes/vaping are not essential, lottery tickets are not essential. Food does not have to come from take aways or convenience foods.

There are skills that we need to instil into our younger people that have been eroded such as cooking, budgeting how to carry out basic repairs. We have moved to a throw away society with fast fashion, throwing away and replacing items rather than repairing etc. All these things do not help people on low incomes but with easy access to credit.

I know I sound like my Granddad but maybe their generation could teach us a thing or two.

[Colburn_Claret]

Just because kids are going hungry it doesn’t mean their parents are ‘bad.’

It does.

I'd starve myself before I let my kids go hungry, and so would any rational person on this board, including you I'm guessing.

Making excuses for them just makes these parents think they are right. If you do that, then you're not helping.

Everybody in this country especially with children, gets benefits. There is more than enough in that budget to feed your children, so long as your kids are your priority. If these children are hungry its because of their parents life style, and life choices. If that wasn't true, then the children of every household on benefits would be going to bed hungry, they clearly aren't. Ask yourself why some parents on benefits manage to feed and clothe their kids, yet others on the same amount of benefits fail miserably. If that isn't down to bad parenting, I don't know what is.

[Devils_Advocate]

It does.

I'd starve myself before I let my kids go hungry, and so would any rational person on this board, including you I'm guessing.

There has been a recent study where young single mums are not eating themselves so they can try and feed their children as a priority

[Terrybfc]

There has been a recent study where young single mums are not eating themselves so they can try and feed their children as a priority

Worrying that a significant number of these are nurses or HCA’s too. Those everyday heroes we were clapping for not long ago are now struggling to feed themselves/their kids

[ClaretAndJew]

They must have been "insuring" you learned about contraception

You caught me out.

No excuse with that one either I was typing on a keyboard.

[Colburn_Claret]

There has been a recent study where young single mums are not eating themselves so they can try and feed their children as a priority

They should try doing a study around where I live, most of the mothers on benefits are overweight.
Most of the mothers not on benefits are as well mind

[Dyched]

Part of it’s down to education.

I work in hospitality. I know how cheap food is. I know restaurants make huge margins on most dishes they sell. People need to be educated how to spend your money, on what foods. I’m sick of hearing “foods so expensive, fresh healthy food is so expensive”.

I think in all this, time is the key. You have for example a single mum. Works full time, has to do the housework etc etc etc. Where will she find the time to cook? She won’t. In go the chicken nuggets or whatever it is frozen and then that’s where the food bills become expensive and there’s not enough money to go round.

I’d love to one day, if I had the cash to provide cooked meals delivered to these types of people. I have been looking at the idea of making a cookbook zine type of thing. With simple meals, how to prepare, how to cook, freeze them, reheat etc etc.

[Cirrus_Minor]

I find the decision taken last night by the government as disgusting. I think most people recognise that many families are going hungry, even before this pandemic. The fact that many are having to survive by food banks, well supported by this group as well as many others, must surely indicate that we have a serious problem with feeding some children in our country.

Surely we should put this right then argue the toss about the cause afterwards. If a building is on fire we don't set up a meeting and argue about whether people should have education of fire safety or if society is too blame, we put it out. The same here, feed the kids then sort out the reasons after.

[ClaretTony]

I try not to get involved in any of the political threads on here but I thought I'd just link a couple of links via the Twitter account of the only current MP I actually know. It's Ian Byrne, he was the Liverpool FC side of setting up Fans Supporting Foodbanks (he wears the badge every time he steps into Parliament).

https://twitter.com/IanByrneMP/status/1 ... 41505?s=20

https://twitter.com/IanByrneMP/status/1 ... 23457?s=20

[NottsClaret]

Plenty on here agreeing with the Tories that kids should be punished because their parents are struggling. Even if they're not struggling, and they're just useless or lazy.. then absolutely the best way to teach them a lesson is to make sure their kids go hungry.

All we heard for years was that you shouldn't hand out cash to the parents, they'll spend it on fags, booze and scratch cards. Then we hit a global pandemic, a huge recession and it's suggested by a nice young chap who's also a footballer that maybe we could help the poorest kids with some free meals. "Not a chance in hell, they chose to be poor!".

At least some true colours are being revealed now there's nowhere to hide. More honest, if nothing else.

[ChrisG]

Funny thought when overpaid footballers are campaigning

Maybe he wants to ensure that the £5m in tax and NI contributions paid each year between him and the club are actually put to good use, and he has the platform, and personal experience to back it up.

[KateR]

Funny, I read this yesterday, so many as usual calling names and blaming the Gov. all very righteous people, and those who believe children shouldn't go hungry are to be applauded, and I believe that was every single poster, so there is an accord, it's just around the who should do it, where the argument really lies giving another platform for some.

I was on the fixed link for the BFC in the community regarding the food bank just now expecting to see a huge surge in those giving and trying to lend a hand to those less well off, no such thing, one poster giving and criticizing the Tories. Where you go back a couple of days and a large amount of people giving was totally against the PPV and made sure people knew why they were giving, seems like an indicator of what's really important, but as always just IMO.

[theboydonegood]

There has been a recent study where young single mums are not eating themselves so they can try and feed their children as a priority

He doesn't care for the facts.

I mean if you cant forsee a global pandemic you have no right to have kids - those kids MUST suffer to teach those terrible parents a lesson.


WTF are you people - where is the humanity