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Six Nations part 2

Post by Tribesmen » Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:34 pm

So we are off again with part two of the Six Nations hard to remember part one really .
Today we start with Ireland v Italy hard to say you can see anything other than an Irish win and a bonus point to boot .
Next up France v Wales , now France were flying and Wales lost their opening 3 games , yep go with form as i say France by 18 points .

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Re: Six Nations part 2

Post by Boss Hogg » Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:36 pm

About time. Not sure Italy offer much to this competition. They haven’t progressed as much as I thought they would

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Re: Six Nations part 2

Post by Caballo » Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:34 pm

It's time they brought in relegation/promotion to and from 2nd tier, I'm sure Romania and more lately Georgia would have made a better fist of it. Though Rome is a hell of an away trip.

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Re: Six Nations part 2

Post by LeadBelly » Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:50 pm

This game is all a bit easy for Ireland and they will likely get a bonus point as well as the win; likewise England should be able to dominate Italy in Rome next week.

The Exeter v Wasps Pre Final at 18.00 today should be a better contest though I cant see Exeter loosing.

The 6N last round next weekend will be more interesting with Wales v Scotland and, especially, France v Ireland (as well as the It v Eng).

Agreed that Italy, after some improvement initially, have failed to progress much and the organisers may soon have to consider maybe play-offs between Italy/Georgia for that 6th spot.

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Re: Six Nations part 2

Post by tiger76 » Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:53 pm

LeadBelly wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:50 pm
This game is all a bit easy for Ireland and they will likely get a bonus point as well as the win; likewise England should be able to dominate Italy in Rome next week.

The Exeter v Wasps Pre Final at 18.00 today should be a better contest though I cant see Exeter loosing.

The 6N last round next weekend will be more interesting with Wales v Scotland and, especially, France v Ireland (as well as the It v Eng).

Agreed that Italy, after some improvement initially, have failed to progress much and the organisers may soon have to consider maybe play-offs between Italy/Georgia for that 6th spot.
You were right about the Exeter/Wasps contest tight and tense, and Exeter claimed a narrow win to complete a domestic and European double, and unlike Saracens their success was achieved fairly, they're going to be a hard team to dethrone next season, whenever that comes round.

Considering the chaotic build-up Wasps competed incredibly well in the circumstances, and made Exeter work for the whole 80 minutes to achieve their victory.

On the 6N you do have to :?: whether Italy even merit their place, 25 games without a win is appalling in anyone's book, and they haven't even been close in many of those games, unless they can start showing drastic improvement then a decision will have to made because it's devaluing the competition when one team is on the end of hidings year after year.

You'd assume England will rack up a BP win in Rome, so if Ireland are to be crowned champions they'll have to win in Paris, and if they don't get a BP win, then they'll need to rely on the points difference going in their favour, it could go down to the wire, which is great for the championship.

The Wales-Scotland game is mainly about Celtic pride, but neither nation will won't to end on a loss and both have motivation for victory, Scotland could finish 3rd if results go their way on the final weekend, and Wales can climb above the Scots with a win, so that should be a keenly fought encounter.

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Re: Six Nations part 2

Post by Clarets4me » Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:34 am

The Irish may well regret that quick conversion at the end, that allowed one more passage of play from which Italy scored under the posts .....

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Re: Six Nations part 2

Post by Tribesmen » Sun Oct 25, 2020 3:13 pm

Clarets4me wrote:
Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:34 am
The Irish may well regret that quick conversion at the end, that allowed one more passage of play from which Italy scored under the posts .....
If England fail to rack up at least 50 plus points i will be shocked

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Re: Six Nations part 2

Post by timshorts » Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:27 pm

It would be nice to see France and Ireland allow each other to run up four tries each in the first 15 minutes, and then have a proper game for 65.

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Re: Six Nations part 2

Post by tiger76 » Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:57 pm

For anyone wondering about the permutations for England, France & Ireland here's a handy guide https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/54678094

England's woman have been crowned champions again today, after the Scotland-France game just along the road from me ended in a 13-13 draw, and they can claim a 2nd successive Grand Slam with a win in Italy next week.

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Re: Six Nations part 2

Post by Clarets4me » Sun Oct 25, 2020 7:45 pm

timshorts wrote:
Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:27 pm
It would be nice to see France and Ireland allow each other to run up four tries each in the first 15 minutes, and then have a proper game for 65.
Seeing as the Ireland Coach is Andy Farrell, and the French defensive Coach is Shaun Edwards, that will not happen .... :lol:

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Re: Six Nations part 2

Post by LeadBelly » Sun Oct 25, 2020 10:34 pm

timshorts wrote:
Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:27 pm
It would be nice to see France and Ireland allow each other to run up four tries each in the first 15 minutes, and then have a proper game for 65.
France played a friendly v Wales last night which was on TV. Wales went 10-0 up very early but France started playing well and then even better and won reasonably comfortably in the end (38-21).

France looked very sharp against a pretty sound Welsh team, I think Ireland will have all on to defeat them next week in Paris & it may be a bit of a slug-fest without lots of tries.
Eng very likely to get a bonus pt v Italy and extend their match points difference from +15 to something over 50. Unless Ireland get the bonus point v France, they may find it difficult to get their points diff above England's (and, as stated above, may regret conceding that (very good) late Italian 7 pointer).

France's match points diff is +13 now and on same points as England, unlikely they will overtake England so long as England do a decent job on Italy.

The Italy v England game will have been completed over an hour before the FR v Ire game so Ireland will know just what they need.

May the best team win, really looking forward to all 3 matches.

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Re: Six Nations part 2

Post by LeadBelly » Fri Oct 30, 2020 10:13 am

In advance of tomorrow's RU itinerary of Oz v NZ + 3 X 6N games.....I know rugby union is a minority interest here but there's a nice little quiz on BBC RU section which should test your memory for 5 minutes (3 minutes for the quiz, few minutes to wonder how you missed the ones you didnt get).
I had a bit of trouble with spelling (as per usual) and ran out of time way before I got them all - despite being well aware of all these players.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/54663206

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Re: Six Nations part 2

Post by Tribesmen » Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:56 pm

Right then the final weekend of the six nations .
So up first Wales v Scotland this one is going to be close i would say not going to be too much between the team and it will end up as a kicking contest so 18 -15 to Wales .
Italy v England now not sure what the odds are at the bookies but this one is only going one way , i would say England will run in 4 tries before the break and run riot in the 2nd half so will go with 10-64 .
Last up France v Ireland , hummmm both know what they have to do now i see this as an open game Tries yep we will see them , France running them in from their own 22 the Irish getting the shove on 5 metres out so by the 80th minute mark still all to play for as France hang on to win 34 -28 .
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i will be drunk by that time so it will kill the pain .
Sure i will have it all wrong but we will soon find out .
Come on Ireland ............................

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Re: Six Nations part 2

Post by Clarets4me » Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:23 pm

Tribesmen wrote:
Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:56 pm
Right then the final weekend of the six nations .
So up first Wales v Scotland this one is going to be close i would say not going to be too much between the team and it will end up as a kicking contest so 18 -15 to Wales .
Italy v England now not sure what the odds are at the bookies but this one is only going one way , i would say England will run in 4 tries before the break and run riot in the 2nd half so will go with 10-64 .
Last up France v Ireland , hummmm both know what they have to do now i see this as an open game Tries yep we will see them , France running them in from their own 22 the Irish getting the shove on 5 metres out so by the 80th minute mark still all to play for as France hang on to win 34 -28 .
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i will be drunk by that time so it will kill the pain .
Sure i will have it all wrong but we will soon find out .
Come on Ireland ............................
I suspect Wales will win by 7-10 points against the Scots at Llanelli .... All the other 5 Nations have had a game, but this is England's first game in nearly 8 months . I would be surprised if they didn't show some disjointed and rusty play, but that said, should be good enough for a bonus point win, by 30-35 points in Rome .

Ireland rarely do well in Paris, 3 wins since 1980, but Shaun Edwards will have their defence well drilled and Sexton's boot will kick anything on offer, I suspect France will win by 7-10 points ...

I too will be in a state of " Over-refreshment " come the end of the 3rd game .... Enjoy " Tribesman ", and everyone else watching .... :lol:
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Re: Six Nations part 2

Post by LeadBelly » Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:32 pm

I always have a small bet on each 6N game on the "17 way" result. ie who will win and by what 5 point width.

Ive gone:
Scotland to beat Wales by 1-5 points (a few injuries & players off-form for Wales and a fairly poor showing in last week's friendly v France)

England to beat Italy 21-25 points (hope its more but Italy are due a decent showing).

France to beat Ireland 11-15 points (France have a lot of very in-form players at the mo- forwards and backs).

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Re: Six Nations part 2

Post by tiger76 » Fri Oct 30, 2020 11:04 pm

LeadBelly wrote:
Fri Oct 30, 2020 10:13 am
In advance of tomorrow's RU itinerary of Oz v NZ + 3 X 6N games.....I know rugby union is a minority interest here but there's a nice little quiz on BBC RU section which should test your memory for 5 minutes (3 minutes for the quiz, few minutes to wonder how you missed the ones you didnt get).
I had a bit of trouble with spelling (as per usual) and ran out of time way before I got them all - despite being well aware of all these players.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/54663206

Tough quiz that LB, I got 5/20, TBF I would have got a couple more but for the spelling, the time limit is what kills you on these quizzes.

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Re: Six Nations part 2

Post by timshorts » Sat Oct 31, 2020 12:47 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Fri Oct 30, 2020 11:04 pm
Tough quiz that LB, I got 5/20, TBF I would have got a couple more but for the spelling, the time limit is what kills you on these quizzes.
5 too. Just picked ones that I remember playing Wales, so got Mike catt who I always hoped would be kept on the bench and was surprised that carling won so many caps and guscott and Jamie salmon not so many. Don't watch them otherwise.

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Re: Six Nations part 2

Post by Clarets4me » Sat Oct 31, 2020 3:50 pm

timshorts wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 12:47 pm
5 too. Just picked ones that I remember playing Wales, so got Mike catt who I always hoped would be kept on the bench and was surprised that carling won so many caps and guscott and Jamie salmon not so many. Don't watch them otherwise.
Jamie Salmon ? There's a blast from the past ... and he has a unique place in Rugby history ? Any clues ?

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Re: Six Nations part 2

Post by kritichris » Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:30 pm

Good start for England then it all went pear shaped. Good to see normal service resumed in the 2nd half but we are letting Italy turn us over too easily. Pressure on Ireland now.

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Re: Six Nations part 2

Post by timshorts » Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:32 pm

Clarets4me wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 3:50 pm
Jamie Salmon ? There's a blast from the past ... and he has a unique place in Rugby history ? Any clues ?
First new Zealander to play in the 5 nations.

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Re: Six Nations part 2

Post by derryclaret » Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:42 pm

Looks like a seven point win for Ireland will do it, this is doable

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Re: Six Nations part 2

Post by LeadBelly » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:28 pm

If Ireland beat France in Paris by 7 or more points then they deserve the Championship. A tough ask indeed with France playing so well currently.

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Re: Six Nations part 2

Post by tiger76 » Sat Oct 31, 2020 8:43 pm

France just gone into the lead approaching the half hour mark, scrappy game thus far. Penalty try France and a yellow card for the Irish, 14-10 to the French, England will be happy with this game so far.

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Re: Six Nations part 2

Post by tiger76 » Sat Oct 31, 2020 10:00 pm

France win 35-27 so England take the title on PD, this French side are looking menacing for the next few years, they're young and rapidly improving.

Ireland made too many basic mistakes in the 2nd half, and at this level you won't win games doing that.

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Re: Six Nations part 2

Post by Tribesmen » Sat Oct 31, 2020 10:52 pm

Well done England was very close to the France v Ireland score but hey there you go .

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Re: Six Nations part 2

Post by Clarets4me » Sun Nov 01, 2020 11:11 am

timshorts wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:32 pm
First new Zealander to play in the 5 nations.
Essentially right, but he actually made 7 appearances for the All Blacks, before winning 12 caps for England ..

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Re: Six Nations part 2

Post by tiger76 » Mon Nov 02, 2020 4:25 pm

Title-winning England duo Maro Itoje and Ben Youngs have been shortlisted for the 2020 Six Nations player of the championship award.

Ireland back-row CJ Stander is also in contention, with French trio Gregory Alldritt, Antoine Dupont and Romain Ntamack making up the six-man list.

Out of that lot it would have to be Dupont for me, he's a joy to watch on a rugby field.

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Re: Six Nations part 2

Post by LeadBelly » Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:43 pm

Agreed Tiger76; Dupont has ben outstanding; I'd also go for Alldritt as runner up.

Maybe odd to name 2 Frenchmen when England won the Championship but I think England just had greater strength in depth and that's what gave the narrow overall table topping.

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Re: Six Nations part 2

Post by tiger76 » Mon Nov 02, 2020 11:42 pm

LeadBelly wrote:
Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:43 pm
Agreed Tiger76; Dupont has ben outstanding; I'd also go for Alldritt as runner up.

Maybe odd to name 2 Frenchmen when England won the Championship but I think England just had greater strength in depth and that's what gave the narrow overall table topping.
England won the Championship but they never really convinced in any of their games, and it was a dire 1st half in Paris, England won the title but France took the moral victory, and they are most definitely on the up.

A poor Championship for Wales, and the inquest has already begun, I know 2019 was going to be impossible to live up to a Grand Slam, and a WC semi-final, but it hasn't been a good start for Pivac 7 defeats in 8 games, and 5 defeats in a row, the only bright spot was a 42-0 win over Italy, but he desperately needs some results in the Autumn Nations Cup to cement his credentials as the Welsh coach.https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/54765590

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Re: Six Nations part 2

Post by Papabendi » Tue Nov 03, 2020 11:05 am

The Ireland win was convincing for England and overall they deserved it. Still the best pound for pound team in the N Hemi.

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