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Re: National Tier 4

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:51 pm

CombatClaret wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:47 pm
There are half a dozen or so regular and vocal full on alt-right posters on this board. They know what they are doing and are they are using this forum as a means to propagandize their dangerous and fringe views.
Yes I 100% agree. Claret Tony or ever else is involved needs to start getting a grip of this page.
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Re: National Tier 4

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:52 pm

Elizabeth wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:48 pm
Can someone tell me how much hospitals get paid for a Covid death instead of a Flu death?
Getting paid for deaths? That’s not how it works.

Anyway hospitals are all on block contacts at the moment so get paid the same no matter what comes through the door.

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Dithering Boris.

Post by Claretitus » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:54 pm

FFS, we should have had a COVID update at 4pm. They’re now saying 6.30 pm ish!!! What a buffoon. I’ve never voted Labour in my life, but this clown is beyond belief!! Who is pulling his strings?

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:55 pm

Has it actually been announced what time this news conference has been delayed until? Because I’d quite like to hear this extremely important announcement, yet I don’t really want to have to watch BBC1 all night.

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by TVC15 » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:55 pm

DCWat wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:50 pm
I’ve tried three times now to book a flu jab. I’ve never had one before though have been offered them as I have asthma.

The doctors and pharmacies around us have no stock.
Some new stock due to arrive in November from what I have heard.
Government when they announced free flu jabs for the over 50s should have maybe consulted with the medical profession as they would have discovered that GPs etc are ordering their flu jabs for the year in the first quarter - as early as January for some.
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Re: Dithering Boris.

Post by bf2k » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:56 pm

Claretitus wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:54 pm
I’ve never voted Labour in my life
Really??? :)

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by Elizabeth » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:56 pm

I think you’ll find that these views are not fringe views

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by Billy Balfour » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:56 pm

Elizabeth wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:48 pm
Can someone tell me how much hospitals get paid for a Covid death instead of a Flu death?
Is this question for real?

Anyway, I suppose that it serves as a timely reminder that I should have known better than to read and post on this thread.
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Re: Dithering Boris.

Post by Claretitus » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:57 pm

bf2k wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:56 pm
Really??? :)
Yes really. Why?

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Re: Dithering Boris.

Post by evensteadiereddie » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:57 pm

They're probably arguing over which biscuits to have.

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by timshorts » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:58 pm

DCWat wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 4:50 pm
It’s not that lockdowns don’t work, it’s that there are impacts of them, which we are all well aware of.
Exactly. It doesn't need a maths gcse to interpret the data showing the reduction in cases and deaths resulting from the last lockdown.
If we hadn't had it, what would the death rate be now? Through the roof and we'd have a lot more dead health care workers, nurses etc.

Why does there seem to be a correlation between lockdown benefit deniers and brexiteers on this thread?

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Re: Dithering Boris.

Post by Claretitus » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:58 pm

Jammy Dodgers?

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by TVC15 » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:59 pm

“Fringe”.....”right wing ignorant mentalists”
All semantics - I say tomato you say Chinese hoax
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Re: National Tier 4

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:59 pm

Billy Balfour wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:56 pm
Is this question for real?

Anyway, I suppose that it serves as a timely reminder that I should have known better than to read and post on this thread.
Unbelievable ain’t it, but my mate also asked me the same question as someone at his work had said hospitals get paid 3 times as much for Covid admissions. The mind boggles why people make this stuff up.

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Re: Dithering Boris.

Post by Barry_Chuckle » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:59 pm

Hob Nobs surely.

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by RingoMcCartney » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:59 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:43 pm
I’m a very senior manager at Royal Blackburn Hospital and whilst I share your frustrations with what has happened to you personally you literally have no idea how bad things are, largely due to the fact of the mishandling of the crisis by the government.
You csnt simply pile all the blame at the door of the government. You cannot. Yes the government will have some questions to answer but. Public Health England have a lot to answer for as have the NHS management. My daughter is a child psychologist in a Yorkshire hospital and she's had nothing to do since her entire caseload was cancelled due to her being lined up as an extra pair of hands, which didnt materialise, thankfully.

You simply cannot ignore what the likes of Karol Sikora have been saying about the ticking cancer time bomb that's been created due to the entire focus of the NHS being on a virus that sadly kills , and each death is a tragedy for the family concerned , a tiny tiny percentage of people whose average age is 82. Which is the average life expectancy anyway.

How many younger people will die due to operations, treatments screenings and appointments being cancelled?

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Re: Dithering Boris.

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:59 pm

I wonder how many people tuned in, saw it was postponed until a time not known, and will now miss seeing this announcement from the horse’s mouth. It’s a good job this isn’t an important issue.

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Re: Dithering Boris.

Post by BurnleyFC » Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:00 pm

He’s a blithering idiot.

Christ, what a year it’s been.

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Re: Dithering Boris.

Post by timshorts » Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:01 pm

He's watching the charioteers on itv. He will talk to us plebs when the rugger is over.

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Re: Dithering Boris.

Post by TVC15 » Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:01 pm

I’m guessing weekends is when he gets to visit all his kids - he’s probably late back from going to 7 or 8 different play areas

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Re: Dithering Boris.

Post by Claretitus » Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:01 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:59 pm
I wonder how many people tuned in, saw it was postponed until a time not known, and will now miss seeing this announcement from the horse’s mouth. It’s a good job this isn’t an important issue.
Absolutely!! Strictly starts soon!! :lol: :lol:

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:02 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:59 pm
You csnt simply pile all the bland at the door of the government. You cannot. Yes the government will have some questions to answer but. Public Health England have a lot to answer for as have the NHS management. My daughter is a child psychologist in a Yorkshire hospital and she's had nothing to do since her entire caseload was cancelled due to her being lined up as an extra pair of hands, which didnt materialise, thankfully.

You simply cannot ignore what the likes of Karol Sikora have been saying about the ticking cancer time bomb that's been created due to the entire focus of the NHS being on a virus that sadly kills , and each death is a tragedy for the family concerned , a tiny tiny percentage of people whose average age is 82. Which is the average life expectancy anyway.

How many younger people will die due to operations, treatments screenings and appointments being cancelled?
Who told us to cancel all elective patients in the first wave, the government. Who told us to discharge people into care homes, without the ability to be able to test them for Covid, the government. Hospitals didn’t choose to cancel your daughters caseload, the government instructed them too.

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Re: Dithering Boris.

Post by Spijed » Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:02 pm

TVC15 wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:01 pm
I’m guessing weekends is when he gets to visit all his kids - he’s probably late back from going to 7 or 8 different play areas
How can he visit all his kids when he doesn't know how many he's got?

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Re: Dithering Boris.

Post by Cirrus_Minor » Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:03 pm

Delays probably over the presentation and previous leeks given to the press.

Worst of all conditions with epidemic spiralling we have the government unraveling.

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by Elizabeth » Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:03 pm

The government have completely screwed up on this and it’s all about trying to get out of the mess they have created .
There has never been so much examination of death in history !

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by RingoMcCartney » Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:03 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:02 pm
Who told us to cancel all elective patients in the first wave, the government. Who told us to discharge people into care homes, without the ability to be able to test them for Covid, the government. Hospitals didn’t choose to cancel your daughters caseload, the government instructed them too.
How many younger people will die due to operations, treatments screenings and appointments being cancelled?

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Re: Dithering Boris.

Post by Claretitus » Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:04 pm

Leeks? The Welsh are already in lockdown!

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:05 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:03 pm
How many younger people will die due to operations, treatments screenings and appointments being cancelled?
I can’t put a figure on that, and it’s tragic, but it was the government who instructed us to cancel such appointments.

You putting the blame on NHS staff and saying you wouldn’t clap for them shows what kind of person you are.

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Re: Dithering Boris.

Post by Grumps » Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:05 pm

I guess the teaching unions have thrown a spanner in the works

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by FactualFrank » Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:05 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:40 pm
This board is becoming almost unbearable to be on these days.

Just full of idiots. yes the whole world is in lockdown because it’s a hoax and we should all just carry on as normal.

I suggest the likes of Ringo and Elizabeth actually read up instead of spouting complete nonsense.
I refuse to believe that anybody could be dumb enough to genuinely think it's a hoax. It's not possible if you're over 4 years old.

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by Swizzlestick » Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:06 pm

Elizabeth wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:56 pm
I think you’ll find that these views are not fringe views
Step outside your alt right echo chamber and you might be in for a shock.
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Re: National Tier 4

Post by RingoMcCartney » Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:06 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:05 pm
I can’t put a figure on that, and it’s tragic, but it was the government who instructed us to cancel such appointments.

You putting the blame on NHS staff and saying you wouldn’t clap for them shows what kind of person you are.
It could easily run into 10s of thousands.

I think I'm right in saying around 3500 men have been.diagnosed with prostrate cancer and have yet to receive any treatment whatsoever......
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Re: National Tier 4

Post by HahaYeah » Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:06 pm

CombatClaret wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:47 pm
There are half a dozen or so regular and vocal full on alt-right posters on this board. They know what they are doing and are they are using this forum as a means to propagandize their dangerous and fringe views.
You do realise that Windsor Castle is ringed with Chinese restaurants? :geek:

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Re: Dithering Boris.

Post by fanzone » Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:07 pm

Claretitus wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:54 pm
FFS, we should have had a COVID update at 4pm. They’re now saying 6.30 pm ish!!! What a buffoon. I’ve never voted Labour in my life, but this clown is beyond belief!! Who is pulling his strings?
What a d1ck head.

Imagine running the country in times like this.

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by Swizzlestick » Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:08 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:03 pm
How many younger people will die due to operations, treatments screenings and appointments being cancelled?
It’s almost as if this isn’t the direct fault of NHS staff.

Your comments about the NHS and its staff are a disgrace and I will leave it at that for this thread. Shameful.

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:08 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:06 pm
I think I'm right in saying around 3500 men have been.diagnosed with prostrate cancer and have yet to receive any treatment whatsoever......
I’ve no idea if those statistics are correct. Elective work is back underway now after all being cancelled by the government, but as you’d expect hospitals have a massive backlog to get through.

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Re: Dithering Boris.

Post by Billy Balfour » Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:08 pm

This govt is more leaky than a U-boat on a bad day.

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by Zlatan » Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:09 pm

Elizabeth wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:11 pm
A national crisis looms
Where have you been for the past 12 months?

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by taio » Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:09 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:02 pm
Who told us to cancel all elective patients in the first wave, the government. Who told us to discharge people into care homes, without the ability to be able to test them for Covid, the government. Hospitals didn’t choose to cancel your daughters caseload, the government instructed them too.
In relation to suspension of electives without the benefit of hindsight were you against it at the time? At the time nations were looking at what was happening it Italy where health systems were overwhelmed.

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by RingoMcCartney » Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:11 pm

Swizzlestick wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:08 pm
It’s almost as if this isn’t the direct fault of NHS staff.

Your comments about the NHS and its staff are a disgrace and I will leave it at that for this thread. Shameful.
Repeat.

I do not want a 2nd lockdown.

I want the economy opened up again to generate tax revenue to pay for all of this.

I want the vulnerable to shielded.

I want the NHS to start looking beyond Covid-19 and start treating the backlog .

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Re: Dithering Boris.

Post by Bigbopper » Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:11 pm

Maybe they are waiting for Starmer to come up with one of his game changing policies.No wait a moment he has abstained.

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Re: Dithering Boris.

Post by Billy Balfour » Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:12 pm

I suppose we now should add 'lack of punctuality' to his long list inadequacies.

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by Elizabeth » Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:12 pm

It’s not a hoax Frank but it’s being exaggerated to a level that is going to cause a national crisis. Do you get that Zlatan, or will you wait for DA to prompt you before further response

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:13 pm

taio wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:09 pm
In relation to suspension of electives without the benefit of hindsight were you against it at the time? At the time nations were looking at what was happening it Italy where health systems were overwhelmed.
Personally no, we were heading into a pandemic which no one in the NHS has experience before so didn’t know the impact. We could have been completely overran, luckily we weren’t, one of the reasons we are now though is we are trying to keep as much of the elective programme going as possible.

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by aggi » Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:13 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:48 pm
Where have I said it's a hoax?

In a nutshell I've said

1, the NHS, and Public Health England have made what will turn out to be decisions that will, tragically, cost lives.

2, lockdowns dont work, they simply delay the inevitable and trash the economy that wont be there to pick up the bill for it.

The virus is real. However we know more about it now. We should isolate the vulnerable, learn to live with it using common sense and practical measures we can all do to protect each other. Treat the population like adults. Let the young at least try and make a start at rebooting their already precarious future's and restsrt the economy before it's too late.
Your efforts to absolve the government of any responsibility are spectacular.

Looks like you're going to have to change Starmer's nickname to Captain Foresight. I imagine that's going to stick in your craw.

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Re: Dithering Boris.

Post by TVC15 » Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:13 pm

Bigbopper wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:11 pm
Maybe they are waiting for Starmer to come up with one of his game changing policies.No wait a moment he has abstained.
Or maybe he called for what is now going to happen 3 or 4 weeks ago ?

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by DCWat » Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:14 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:06 pm
It could easily run into 10s of thousands.

I think I'm right in saying around 3500 men have been.diagnosed with prostrate cancer and have yet to receive any treatment whatsoever......
I’m not disputing your figures, Ringo, and the impact that such things will have upon people now abs in the future. I don’t think though that you help yourself in putting your point across by suggesting that you’ll ignore any future support of the the NHS, from the public.

The recognition of the NHS was not for the decision makers, be they Government, NHS Management or Civil Servants, it was for those on the front line, working in incredibly difficult circumstances and dealing with very distressing outcomes, for the most hardened professional.

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Re: Dithering Boris.

Post by Claretitus » Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:14 pm

fanzone wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:07 pm
What a d1ck head.

Imagine running the country in times like this.
Why am I a dickhead you melt? It just sums up this clueless bunch, when they are so far behind the rest of Europe, and can’t even get THEIR announcement out on time. Grow up you moron.

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by Zlatan » Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:15 pm

Elizabeth wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:12 pm
It’s not a hoax Frank but it’s being exaggerated to a level that is going to cause a national crisis. Do you get that Zlatan, or will you wait for DA to prompt you before further response
You really are very dense aren’t you? You’re like a Karen from Facebook, someone who blows hot air and generally knows f#ck all about anything but still wants to educate the rest of us with your conspiracy theories.

I think you’re very sad, very sad indeed.

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by taio » Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:16 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:13 pm
Personally no, we were heading into a pandemic which no one in the NHS has experience before so didn’t know the impact. We could have been completely overran, luckily we weren’t, one of the reasons we are now though is we are trying to keep as much of the elective programme going as possible.
Agree. And that's what the Government and NHESI are trying to do. You will know that. Damned if they do, damed if they don't. As you're a VSM in the NHS you'll know that all too well.

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