389 minutes

[Right_winger]

Since our last goal..

Question is how long will it be until we score again? Don’t look remotely like scoring at all just now.

[tiger76]

Crikey is it that long, our best chance of a goal is probably from a set-piece, but even they're dire by our usual standards.

[Elizabeth]

We have goalscoring threats, now is the time to keep clean sheets above anything else

[Aclaret]

We have goalscoring threats, now is the time to keep clean sheets above anything else

Who is the threat ? It's not Barnes, it's not Jay or Vydra ( not on the pitch long enough) it must be Wood ?

[Right_winger]

We have goalscoring threats, now is the time to keep clean sheets above anything else

I agree and disagree.

We do have goal scoring threats in the team but they are playing with Dyches shackles on.

I get that for the better teams but against those around us we need to be scoring goals to win games. Over 4 games since we scored and haven’t remotely looked like scoring is not
Good enough.

Our mismanagement of the squad over the past couple of years has caught up with us.

[huw.Y.WattfromWare]

I feel for our strikers. Since Dwights game has gone backwards they’ve had nothing to feed off. We urgently need him to start running at his FB and getting them wonderful crosses across the 6 yd line.
Tonight we didn’t even use the roll back to Westy, for him to get a cross into the danger area.

[tiger76]

Our goals thus far.

Wood vs Leicester (good move and finish)

Dunne vs Leicester (header from a set-piece)

Westwood vs Newcastle (I think this was also from a set-piece that was initially cleared, and he hammered in the loose ball)

We are creating virtually nothing from open play, and that's the worry, it's not like our strikers are missing chances, we aren't even making the chances for them to miss,

[thelaughingclaret]

If you think we pose a threat going forward you are delusional and need to take your claret/Dyche/Garlick tinted specs off. Today we were dire. We have been in all games. Embarrassing really.

[Boss Hogg]

Think it will need a set piece, penalty ( unlikely), the wind, a huge defensive error or an OG. We look utterly lacking in creativity in the final third and completely toothless in attack.

[Dyched]

It’s a problem. We needed to identify and sign a creative type in the summer along the lines of Zidane/Totti/Seedorf. Shame it didn’t happen.

[MACCA]

2 words, and not my usual phrase, so we will go with simply

Cheers Mike

[HunterST_BFC]

How to stop Burnley scoring?

Easy ... play 3 5 2 with one of the MF deep picking off the second balls from knock downs.
I could go on...

But if you think about it...

[buzzclarets79]

It’s a problem. We needed to identify and sign a creative type in the summer along the lines of Zidane/Totti/Seedorf. Shame it didn’t happen.

Unless they are willing to run their socks off and track back SD wouldn't fancy that type of player and that's the issue, he puts work rate above everything else including flair and creativity. Could you see a Glen Little or Robbie Blake type player in this team? I couldn't yet that's just what we need. Ideally we need pace and lots of it

[tarkys_ears]

We've scored 3 goals this season.

Time for a change of direction.

[MACCA]

We've scored 3 goals this season.

Time for a change of direction.

True, I think signing some players might actually work, especially if they are better than what we currently have.

[Dyched]

Unless they are willing to run their socks off and track back SD wouldn't fancy that type of player and that's the issue, he puts work rate above everything else including flair and creativity. Could you see a Glen Little or Robbie Blake type player in this team? I couldn't yet that's just what we need. Ideally we need pace and lots of it

I agree.

One thing that gets me is Barnes. George Boyd fitted our system to a T. Scott Arfield did, David Jones did, Dean Marney did, Stephen Ward did etc etc. Players that we let go for nowt when they simply weren’t good enough for where we were/are at. Barnes is nowhere near good enough anymore, yet he still starts. Baffling.

[Elizabeth]

This is a good point we got today even if the opposition were beatable on any other day. We have forwards who have proven in recent seasons that they all can score in the PL and it is good they are all fit, they will start scoring once the service comes.
Rest assured work will be put into getting McNeil and Brownhill more into the game once the defensive side of the team is sorted and I hope Dyche rests the former because, he needs it

[bodge]

The next first goal sweep winner will be a millionaire.

[HunterST_BFC]

How to stop Burnley scoring?

Easy ... play 3 5 2 with one of the MF deep picking off the second balls from knock downs.
I could go on...

But if you think about it...

nudging this thread because "I can't believe I'm the only one to think this?"
With our squad and likely players - we are not hard to work out are we?

Stopping us scoring is easy bar set plays.
MF over run etc etc

No real pace to counter while being sat back.

Ramble over (not rant). We lack players capable of giving SD any chance of changing things.

UTC

[Sheedyclaret]

Get barnes out the side

[California Colner]

The simple fact is we have no pace up front
Hard to create chances when the defenders are far quicker

[jojomk1]

If you think we pose a threat going forward you are delusional and need to take your claret/Dyche/Garlick tinted specs off. Today we were dire. We have been in all games. Embarrassing really.

Sad to say,

Spot on !!

[Stockbrokerbelt]

Lets get rid of Dyche & the coaching team as we have enough experts on here.

[Granny WeatherWax]

Lets get rid of Dyche & the coaching team as we have enough experts on here.

Obviously I wouldn’t sack dyche but I look forward to a more attacking style of play, whatever league we are in.

[snapcrackleandpop]

This is a good point we got today even if the opposition were beatable on any other day. We have forwards who have proven in recent seasons that they all can score in the PL and it is good they are all fit, they will start scoring once the service comes.
Rest assured work will be put into getting McNeil and Brownhill more into the game once the defensive side of the team is sorted and I hope Dyche rests the former because, he needs it

I love your optimism but I don’t see it, we have 2 forwards slower than Captain Tom and a midfield lacking quality, but fingers crossed eh.

[steve1264b]

As sean himself said, the longer we go without one the more likely it is to happen.

We are a team short on confidence, who don't want to take a risk. We dug in and got a point.

We are finding our feet again.

We are improving, getting better.

Ive always thought we are a streaky team under this managers don't know the stats but it always feels to me we dont do win one lose one draw one.

Get a victory and we could easily go on a run.

[NewClaret]

Our goals thus far.

Wood vs Leicester (good move and finish)

Dunne vs Leicester (header from a set-piece)

Westwood vs Newcastle (I think this was also from a set-piece that was initially cleared, and he hammered in the loose ball)

We are creating virtually nothing from open play, and that's the worry, it's not like our strikers are missing chances, we aren't even making the chances for them to miss,

Exactly this. Was going to write the same on the Wood & Barnes thread.

Our issue is midfield. Dwight is creating very little. Our corners and FK’s have been poor. Our right side is non-existent and should’ve been strengthened in summer. I love Brownhill & Westy but it’s fair to say they haven’t exactly been controlling midfield or creating chances when we do. Last night, Lamptey (playing as wing back) pegged back Taylor, our only real attacking threat of recent games.

We could put Kane up front and he wouldn’t score with the service Wood & Barnes are getting.

[NewClaret]

The simple fact is we have no pace up front
Hard to create chances when the defenders are far quicker

Disagree. Wood scored 14 last season and he hasn’t become any slower. The problem lies with the service he’s receiving.

[Dark Cloud]

Our midfield is primarily about stopping the opposition scoring and unfortunately the best attacking threat we have from midfield in Dwight, is now turning and playing the ball backwards pretty much 100% of the time, mainly because he never seems to have the ball in the opposition half any more. Whether he's under instructions or other teams are nullifying him much more effectively I don't know, but as a result chances for our strikers have largely dried up. Our other best chance of creating something up front is JBG and he's never fit enough these days to have a run of games or to seriously influence a game. Brady I simply don't count because I'm not really sure what he does tbh.

[Right_winger]

Disagree. Wood scored 14 last season and he hasn’t become any slower. The problem lies with the service he’s receiving.

You are right, Wood is a good forward but he needs at least someone to do a bit of work for him to allow him to get the chances.

Our problem is lack of quality personnel and instructions to defend at all costs not committing any players forward.

Our lack of pace also hurts us massively on the counter and that’s why the ball just keeps coming back as the oppositions defensive line can move 10-15 yards up the pitch further compressing us. We have no pace to turn anyone and it seems we are under instructions not to take a man on.

The frustrating thing is we seem to allow teams to waltz forward at will and stand off them all the time.

[Devils_Advocate]

nudging this thread because "I can't believe I'm the only one to think this?"
With our squad and likely players - we are not hard to work out are we?

Stopping us scoring is easy bar set plays.
MF over run etc etc

No real pace to counter while being sat back.

Ramble over (not rant). We lack players capable of giving SD any chance of changing things.

UTC

We only have 2 decent centre halfs and we havent got anyone nearly good enough to play RWB in the Premier League. Apart that its still a crap idea as teams would just walk through that side at ease

[Rileybobs]

I love your optimism but I don’t see it, we have 2 forwards slower than Captain Tom and a midfield lacking quality, but fingers crossed eh.

How dare you call Captain Tom slow.

[TVC15]

We could put Kane up front and he wouldn’t score with the service Wood & Barnes are getting.

Yes he would.
The difference with the top world class forwards like Kane who are valued ten times the likes of Wood and Barnes is that they need far less chances or half chances to score. They also make the players around them better.

That’s why strikers who cost £15m and less and who are bought from the lower leagues rarely manage to score more than 12 or 13 goals a season. For the price we paid for our forwards they have often outscored strikers in this league who cost a lot more.

At the moment I agree we are just not making enough chances for the amount of chances our strikers normally need to score.

[DomBFC1882]

Barnes SHOULD NOT be playing. He should be 4th choice striker he offers absolutely nothing and it's dire to watch

[NewClaret]

Yes he would.
The difference with the top world class forwards like Kane who are valued ten times the likes of Wood and Barnes is that they need far less chances or half chances to score. They also make the players around them better.

That’s why strikers who cost £15m and less and who are bought from the lower leagues rarely manage to score more than 12 or 13 goals a season. For the price we paid for our forwards they have often outscored strikers in this league who cost a lot more.

At the moment I agree we are just not making enough chances for the amount of chances our strikers normally need to score.

Which chance would he have taken last night though? We didn’t have one. Or how would he have made us play better when we were backs to the wall and 20% possession second half?

I’m not disputing the broader point, we’d be higher up in the league had we had a player of Kane’s quality for the other games, but last night their system completely nullified us.

I suppose you could say that a player of Kane’s quality would’ve allowed us to play 451 which may have made the difference to being overrun in midfield.

[Rileybobs]

Which chance would he have taken last night though? We didn’t have one. Or how would he have made us play better when we were backs to the wall and 20% possession second half?

I’m not disputing the broader point, we’d be higher up in the league had we had a player of Kane’s quality for the other games, but last night their system completely nullified us.

I suppose you could say that a player of Kane’s quality would’ve allowed us to play 451 which may have made the difference to being overrun in midfield.

Kane would probably have scored the chance where Barnes had the ball in the box with his back to goal and opted to lay the ball off to Dwight’s middle foot.

[Devils_Advocate]

Kane would probably have scored the chance where Barnes had the ball in the box with his back to goal and opted to lay the ball off to Dwight’s middle foot.

Has Dwight got 3 feet

[Rileybobs]

Has Dwight got 3 feet

Barnes appeared to think so.

[NewClaret]

Kane would probably have scored the chance where Barnes had the ball in the box with his back to goal and opted to lay the ball off to Dwight’s middle foot.

Middle foot

Fair point, had forgotten that one. Annoying. Poor effort from Dwight that - would expect him to hit the target with his middle foot from there.

[TVC15]

Which chance would he have taken last night though? We didn’t have one. Or how would he have made us play better when we were backs to the wall and 20% possession second half?

I’m not disputing the broader point, we’d be higher up in the league had we had a player of Kane’s quality for the other games, but last night their system completely nullified us.

I suppose you could say that a player of Kane’s quality would’ve allowed us to play 451 which may have made the difference to being overrun in midfield.

We did have a couple of chances but I assumed you were talking about this season rather than just last night - and whilst I get that we are all fed up at the moment with our performances our results are not just down to the lack of service (though that is definitely a big factor).
Barnes just looks way way off the pace since returning from his injury - he’s offering the team virtually nothing and whilst he has missed a couple of big chances too it’s more his overall game which is costing us at the moment.
I am really struggling to get my head round how Jay or Vydra would not offer the team more.

[NewClaret]

We did have a couple of chances but I assumed you were talking about this season rather than just last night - and whilst I get that we are all fed up at the moment with our performances our results are not just down to the lack of service (though that is definitely a big factor).
Barnes just looks way way off the pace since returning from his injury - he’s offering the team virtually nothing and whilst he has missed a couple of big chances too it’s more his overall game which is costing us at the moment.
I am really struggling to get my head round how Jay or Vydra would not offer the team more.

Tbh, creating chances is one thing I don’t normally worry about. We seem to create enough chances even when we play poorly. The quality of those chances has been lower this season though, particularly at key points in the game (Dwights poor FK with one minute to go last night being an example).

Yesterday I thought we just got overrun by their 5 in midfield. Barnes and Wood were outnumbered by the 3 at the back and Dwight had to keep tracking the very impressive Lamptey so we had no service (my views on the RW situation being well documented ) Shame we don’t have the players to counter those systems when we come against them - maybe we will when Cork is fit.

Re: Barnes, I think his ****housery adds something & gets us up for it. It feels like we’re missing the crowd a bit now in that respect. Also wins FK’s (would like to see the stats on that), which seem to be the main outlet for us, albeit agree with another poster that refs appear to be getting wise to that too. Also feel he’s had the better chances and drawn the better saves in the odd game where we’ve created chances.

That said, hard to argue we didn’t look better overall with JRod and Vydra towards end of last season. I like that Dyche is loyal and allows players to play in to form, but agree we’re probably reaching the limit on that front.

[warksclaret]

Which other PL manager would not change his starting forwards with no goal in 389 minutes

[BurnleyFC]

It’s a bit bleak at the minute, isn’t it?

It almost has shades of Cotterill’s nineteen about it.

[tim_noone]

Barnes SHOULD NOT be playing. He should be 4th choice striker he offers absolutely nothing and it's dire to watch

Talking of 4th choice strikers. .. that Bamford chappie knows were the onion sack is...seems to gave a good bit of Pace to.oh Well!!

[HunterST_BFC]

We only have 2 decent centre halfs and we havent got anyone nearly good enough to play RWB in the Premier League. Apart that its still a crap idea as teams would just walk through that side at ease

Dev Ad'
with respect... ish.

Your post is out of context (see my post earlier that it refers to).

D'A' - why have you recently turned into a ....?
Bored? Maybe?
Happy to help.

[Devils_Advocate]

Dev Ad'
with respect... ish.

Your post is out of context (see my post earlier that it refers to).

D'A' - why have you recently turned into a ....?
Bored? Maybe?
Happy to help.

I've just looked back and can see I misread your post so apologies as you are correct my reply was totally unwarranted. I still dont agree with the real point you made but its a much more reasonable one than what I thought and definitely has some merit to it.

[Woodleyclaret]

There is some bxxxxxxs talked on here
Barnsley is a star who has been out for ages and unlucky not to score in games since his return
He will get back into the groove against Palace UTC

[tiger76]

I don't care who scores against Palace, as long as someone does and we collect the 3 points, that's all that matters on Monday.

[longside72]

Barnsley is a star who has been out for ages and unlucky not to score

There will be some confusion if Barnsley scores for Burnley !!

[HB Claret]

Thought this topic was about a song from Rent ?