3 from 5 already
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As we leave the bottom 5 for the first time, things are looking so much better. Bottom 3 to go down now !
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Look even better if none of them three win this weekend
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I think the bottom three have in reality been doomed for a few weeks now, tbh.
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You blink, and we're back in the bottom 5
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It's looking grim for the bottom 3 now, and indeed it has for a while, but the fact that all the teams above them have been picking up points at a regular rate makes their task even more difficult, Fulham have a slim chance of mounting a late survival bid, but they'll probably have to beat us twice, not impossible by any means, but not something I'd be putting any money on.
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Just had a quick look at the form table for last ten matches:
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Worth looking at the table from last season after we'd played 23 matches. Villa were four points up on where Fulham are currently are and they finished on 35 points. Even Norwich who looked doomed only had one point less.
Very similar in terms of points. Interesting to note as well that if you swap Wolves & Sheff United for Villa and West Ham you get a similar table to this season with both Spurs and Arsenal struggling and Leicester in the top four.
Very similar in terms of points. Interesting to note as well that if you swap Wolves & Sheff United for Villa and West Ham you get a similar table to this season with both Spurs and Arsenal struggling and Leicester in the top four.
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Interesting that last season there were 5 teams below 25 points, this season just 3. Last season the gap between 16th and 18th was just 1 point, 16th and bottom only 6. This season 16th to 18th is 8 points and 16th to bottom is 15.
Brighton have had great form of late as have Burnley despite playing some top teams which must be demoralising for the bottom three. Having said that Newcastle, Southampton and Palace look like they're determined to gatecrash this party.
Burnley could be up to 12th by Saturday tea time if results go our way.
Brighton have had great form of late as have Burnley despite playing some top teams which must be demoralising for the bottom three. Having said that Newcastle, Southampton and Palace look like they're determined to gatecrash this party.
Burnley could be up to 12th by Saturday tea time if results go our way.
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Geordies must be somewhat concerned without Wilson for the next few weeks.
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And without a fair few centre backs. They could be the team that fallConroysleftfoot wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 8:46 amGeordies must be somewhat concerned without Wilson for the next few weeks.
Also Southampton on a long losing streak
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I don't think we can be complacent. It's in our blood as Burnley fans to be over cautious.
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4 points from this weeks 2 home games and we are all but safe.
Would mean we are on 30 points with 13 games remaining, but more importantly fulham needing 4 wins just to catch us, when they'd only won 3 of the first 25 games.
That's without factoring in Newcastle, Southampton and Palace that seem to be in poor form.
Would mean we are on 30 points with 13 games remaining, but more importantly fulham needing 4 wins just to catch us, when they'd only won 3 of the first 25 games.
That's without factoring in Newcastle, Southampton and Palace that seem to be in poor form.
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Agreed Macca. I just can't see Burnley letting Fulham and/or WBA beating us at home. Looking up not downMACCA wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 9:21 am4 points from this weeks 2 home games and we are all but safe.
Would mean we are on 30 points with 13 games remaining, but more importantly fulham needing 4 wins just to catch us, when they'd only won 3 of the first 25 games.
That's without factoring in Newcastle, Southampton and Palace that seem to be in poor form.
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If the stat that they quoted on Saturday regarding Palace (lost 18 out of 20 games played without Zaha) was correct then they need to get him fit as soon as.
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Its in our own hands-we just need to pick up points as we have been doing and prayer no injuries to Tarks, Pope and Mee. And of course hope we dont go any of those long bad runs, but Saturday was huge. Having said that Fulham will ne push overs on Wednesday.
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A point a game will do us just fine. Any advance on that just brings safety that much sooner.
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I bet Everton fans thought the same thing. Can't take anything for granted, especially with the refs and VAR being so inept.Marney&Mee wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 9:31 amAgreed Macca. I just can't see Burnley letting Fulham and/or WBA beating us at home. Looking up not down
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The teams who turn up chasing the pack, always seem to have the edge....nothing to lose but to go for it.
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I have WBA, Newcastle and Southampton to go down at 66-1
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I think you've been diddled on the odds. Sheffield United need to win 6 just to catch up with Southampton, and that's if Southampton lose their last 15. Since Sheff U have so far managed to beat 1 football team, plus home wins against an abysmal West Brom and an even worse 10-man Newcastle, I wouldn't hold my breath!
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And no chance of Newcastle getting relegated with Hendrick in the team.RalphCoatesComb wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 11:19 pmSurely, that's a typo.
666-1 more like. Sheffield are already down
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Fulham have only lost 3 of their last 13 matches, drawing 9 of them but only winning 1.
Us on the other hand have won 5 games during the same period.
Failure to turn draws into wins could be the reason Fulham get relegated.
Us on the other hand have won 5 games during the same period.
Failure to turn draws into wins could be the reason Fulham get relegated.
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Good to see us out of the bottom 5
Newcastle are looking in trouble
Newcastle are looking in trouble
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The bottom 2 need the miracle of miracles, and it ain't gonna happen, so Fulham are the only ones with any realistic survival prospects, and the form & injuries of some of the teams above them offers them hope, notably Newcastle, Palace & Southampton, but they still have a fair number of points to make up, and the games are slowly beginning to run out, they'll need at least 4 points from the Sheff Utd & Palace games to keep them in touch, and ideally they could do with 6 really, they are tough to beat, but until they start turning these draws into wins they'll struggle to close the gap, unless one or more of the sides above them completely implodes.
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A point a game gives us 41. I can see us doing that.
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We are one point behind where I thought we might be after these last four games.boatshed bill wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:39 pmA point a game gives us 41. I can see us doing that.
I thought we might get two home wins, plus a draw and possibly lose away at Palace.
All in all I suppose six points from these four games is better than nothing, especially as we stopped any of the other sides gaining any points on us.
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I said a few games ago we would average a point a game. Its just a bit worrying when after 180 minutes of playing WBA we could not score. Think we will finish now between 38 and 40boatshed bill wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:39 pmA point a game gives us 41. I can see us doing that.
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We SHOULD manage that which will be enough, then we need to regroup and strengthen the squad.boatshed bill wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:39 pmA point a game gives us 41. I can see us doing that.
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A point a game takes into account us beating teams who are rubbish and losing to the good ones. Well let's just think about this past week (and our next game(s).
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A good analysis of who has got results against others:
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35 points will be quite sufficient.
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I hope your right, but even 35 points seems a long way away ATM, and I think 37-38 will be a more likely number needed, due to Fulham suddenly sparking to life over the past week.
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Very achievable if we get our regulars back fit and firing yes, and our long term form does suggest we're perfectly capable of notching that figure as a minimum, however the growing injury list, and the obvious fatigue in the squad is a worry.
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in the following seasons the teams in 18th got the following points:
12/13 Wigan 36
13/14 Norwich 36
14/15 Hull 35
15/16 Newcastle 37
16/17 Hull 34
17/18 Swansea 33
18/19 Cardiff 34
19/20 Bournemouth 34
Haven't checked how many of those teams were already relegated before the last match, and whether any points they accumulated thereafter were irrelevant.
12/13 Wigan 36
13/14 Norwich 36
14/15 Hull 35
15/16 Newcastle 37
16/17 Hull 34
17/18 Swansea 33
18/19 Cardiff 34
19/20 Bournemouth 34
Haven't checked how many of those teams were already relegated before the last match, and whether any points they accumulated thereafter were irrelevant.
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So 38 is the required number?Spijed wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 9:07 pmin the following seasons the teams in 18th got the following points:
12/13 Wigan 36
13/14 Norwich 36
14/15 Hull 35
15/16 Newcastle 37
16/17 Hull 34
17/18 Swansea 33
18/19 Cardiff 34
19/20 Bournemouth 34
Haven't checked how many of those teams were already relegated before the last match, and whether any points they accumulated thereafter were irrelevant.
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Just checked and Newcastle were already relegated on 34 points, along with Norwich that season. They just happen to win their last game against Spurs.
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The two made of Glass wingers are a real concern, we need them both fit
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Nope, not necessarily Bill.
FWIW, I think 34 this year sees us safe. 35 for sure...
FWIW, I think 34 this year sees us safe. 35 for sure...
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We do but let's be honest we shouldn't be both have missed a number of games this season, it's not like their niggling injuries are a new thing is it. JBG is the one who was really starting to show his worth in recent games, and even if we get him fit it would be a big boost to our hopes.Wokingclaret wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 9:21 pmThe two made of Glass wingers are a real concern, we need them both fit
Robbie has been more hit and miss in recent weeks, and for me he's not as big a loss to us, of course any player being unavailable isn't ideal when you're carrying a small squad to start with, but Robbie hasn't really impacted in a game for several weeks now.
Plus it's a problem that Dwight is also off colour this season for whatever reason. this means we're a lot easier to defend against, and probably explains our lack of goals, even yesterday West Brom kept us comfortably at arms length with only 10 men because we couldn't stretch the play.
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Fulham have given themselves a fighting chance , nothing more. Credit to them but let’s see how they do after playing Palace next week.
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They have, but the press are blowing their trumpet, played Everton when the toffees didn't show, toothless really against us and then apart from dominating Sheff U won by one goal and should have given a penalty away........
Interesting week to see how Palace do against Brighton and Fulham
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Enjoy your posts Tiger76tiger76 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 9:33 pmWe do but let's be honest we shouldn't be both have missed a number of games this season, it's not like their niggling injuries are a new thing is it. JBG is the one who was really starting to show his worth in recent games, and even if we get him fit it would be a big boost to our hopes.
Robbie has been more hit and miss in recent weeks, and for me he's not as big a loss to us, of course any player being unavailable isn't ideal when you're carrying a small squad to start with, but Robbie hasn't really impacted in a game for several weeks now.
Plus it's a problem that Dwight is also off colour this season for whatever reason. this means we're a lot easier to defend against, and probably explains our lack of goals, even yesterday West Brom kept us comfortably at arms length with only 10 men because we couldn't stretch the play.
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Yes , Palace were awful against us and could be the team to slide into troubleWokingclaret wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 10:00 pmThey have, but the press are blowing their trumpet, played Everton when the toffees didn't show, toothless really against us and then apart from dominating Sheff U won by one goal and should have given a penalty away........
Interesting week to see how Palace do against Brighton and Fulham
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If Fulham can manage another win against Palace
then it's going to make it very interesting and it's going to make it
any one from up to six including ourselves and Southampton.
We've got some tough fixtures coming up in our next 4/5 games
but then so do Fulham. Both Newcastle, Brighton have games coming up
where they are likely to get some points on the board.
On paper we and Fulham seem to have the most difficult run in
and they'll need to win 2 more games than us to catch and possibly go above us.
It's likely to be a dog fight unless Fulham do not continue
in the same or better form than in their last 5'6 games.
then it's going to make it very interesting and it's going to make it
any one from up to six including ourselves and Southampton.
We've got some tough fixtures coming up in our next 4/5 games
but then so do Fulham. Both Newcastle, Brighton have games coming up
where they are likely to get some points on the board.
On paper we and Fulham seem to have the most difficult run in
and they'll need to win 2 more games than us to catch and possibly go above us.
It's likely to be a dog fight unless Fulham do not continue
in the same or better form than in their last 5'6 games.
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The good thing for us against Fulham and WBA, if you can't win don't lose them.
The worry for us is the injuries, we looked knackered (Fulham don't). Nothing on the bench, will we get these players back, can they stay fit.
The worry for us is the injuries, we looked knackered (Fulham don't). Nothing on the bench, will we get these players back, can they stay fit.
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Leicester home game getting scheduled after Spurs is not going to help.
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It was pre season but I think it will be WBA, sheff utd and SouthamptonRalphCoatesComb wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 11:19 pmSurely, that's a typo.
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