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New Gibson interview

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Re: New Gibson interview

Post by ClaretEngineer » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:02 pm

Decent article that and gives the side of the story we haven’t heard before. Seems to tell the facts without necessarily knocking a former employer.

Interestingly confirms what a lot of us see on the pitch. Sticking with players, unwilling to change etc

Bad luck for him due to his hernia’s and not being able to get into the team.

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Re: New Gibson interview

Post by Zlatan » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:07 pm

bad egg IMO.

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Re: New Gibson interview

Post by BenWickes » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:10 pm

ClaretEngineer wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:02 pm
Seems to tell the facts without necessarily knocking a former employer.
Well. It'd be unwise to knock us. We are technically still his employer.

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Re: New Gibson interview

Post by Chester Perry » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:10 pm

ClaretEngineer wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:02 pm
Decent article that and gives the side of the story we haven’t heard before. Seems to tell the facts without necessarily knocking a former employer.

Interestingly confirms what a lot of us see on the pitch. Sticking with players, unwilling to change etc

Bad luck for him due to his hernia’s and not being able to get into the team.
doesn't say very much at all really - which given he is still under contract is what you would expect - it also appears that we were prepared to let him go last Jan - just not to a Premier League rival in difficulty - which is fair enough from our perspective

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Re: New Gibson interview

Post by PremierLeagueClass » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:19 pm

I like how he plays on his “only chance” against Everton and mentions he scored. Conveniently forgot about the red card against Olympiakos...
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Re: New Gibson interview

Post by boatshed bill » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:23 pm

Jonathan Walters has a bit to say about it: "Burnley messed up".
I don't think much of him TBH.

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Re: New Gibson interview

Post by Giftonsnoidea » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:37 pm

Would have preferred he stayed and we were crying out for better defensive cover the first five games, I’m intrigued what has actually happened

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Re: New Gibson interview

Post by warksclaret » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:48 pm

Its not inconceivable that Norwich get promoted and we get our fee, but hate to say it, we get relegated in the process. Hope I am wrong

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Re: New Gibson interview

Post by Winstonswhite » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:48 pm

I just think it was one of them. A manager who wouldn’t change a winning side, a player who didn’t want to sit on the bench. I don’t think either side covered themselves in glory but these things happen. A shame as we really needed/need him.

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Re: New Gibson interview

Post by Jakubclaret » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:56 pm

Best to move on & just forget, wasn't to be as something's just aren't meant to be, I wish the lad well apart from being an opposing player.

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Re: New Gibson interview

Post by ksrclaret » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:57 pm

It's easy to put this down to being "just one of those things" and "not every transfer works out", but this is our joint record signing who we shelled out £15m for. That's an enormous sum of money for Burnley and not an amount we'll probably spend again for a very long while (unless the takeover is incredibly lucrative). This should have been handled far better by everyone involved.
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Re: New Gibson interview

Post by warksclaret » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:01 pm

ksrclaret wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:57 pm
It's easy to put this down to being "just one of those things" and "not every transfer works out", but this is our joint record signing who we shelled out £15m for. That's an enormous sum of money for Burnley and not an amount we'll probably spend again for a very long while (unless the takeover is incredibly lucrative). This should have been handled far better by everyone involved.
You would have thought there had been a thorough enquiry as to what went wrong, and what can be learned from it. Seems to me it was accepted and all brushed over just like "Tarkowski-Toegate"

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Re: New Gibson interview

Post by TVC15 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:04 pm

PremierLeagueClass wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:19 pm
I like how he plays on his “only chance” against Everton and mentions he scored. Conveniently forgot about the red card against Olympiakos...
He didn’t forget - he mentions the “odd cup game” which that game was.
Don’t really see a lot wrong with the article - but of course it’s only one side of the story.
He admits he was really unlucky with injuries - after having a very good injury record at Boro.
I’m sure there were times when Tarks or Mee were injured (Tarks had a thigh issue from memory) where Gibson was also injured and Long had to play. If Gibson would have been fit he could have had a run of games playing in the Premier League where if he would have done well then maybe Dyche would have shown the loyalty he often does to players who play well and have got the shirt.

The bit we are missing is how Gibson acted when he decided that he did not want to fight for his place anymore and wanted to leave - if that is what happened.

It’s not worked out well - but as many have said before on this board when we bought him I cannot remember many fans saying anything other than we had bought a good player at a reasonable price - he had made the England squad as a Boro player and captained a team that were pretty similar to Burnley for a few years.

Some bad luck for sure - and possibly (probably) a few mistakes from both parties after we signed him.

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Re: New Gibson interview

Post by Jakubclaret » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:06 pm

ksrclaret wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:57 pm
It's easy to put this down to being "just one of those things" and "not every transfer works out", but this is our joint record signing who we shelled out £15m for. That's an enormous sum of money for Burnley and not an amount we'll probably spend again for a very long while (unless the takeover is incredibly lucrative). This should have been handled far better by everyone involved.
Raking up the past won't change anything, what's done is done, we don't even know what will be recouped as a final settlement figure yet, it's way too premature to label it a complete disaster, s**t happens you deal with it or don't let go & lose out in the long run.

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Re: New Gibson interview

Post by Papabendi » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:14 pm

The "complete professional" Gibson was scything down our own players in training by the end. He had to go.

The logic of spending club record money on a position that technically didn't need strengthening in that way - that's another story.

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Re: New Gibson interview

Post by NottsClaret » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:15 pm

I suppose it just comes down to him thinking he'd do a better job than Tarks or Mee. And Dyche didn't think he would.

Makes you wonder why we broke our transfer record for someone who'd be a bench warmer, barring injuries. You can't really blame Gibson for coming, he's obviously going to back himself to be good enough to get in the side, even if that didn't turn out to be the case.

The most worrying thing about that interview is where he talks about himself in the third person. Never a good sign.

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Re: New Gibson interview

Post by Nonayforever » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:28 pm

warksclaret wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:01 pm
You would have thought there had been a thorough enquiry as to what went wrong, and what can be learned from it. Seems to me it was accepted and all brushed over just like "Tarkowski-Toegate"
Maybe there was a discussion as to what went wrong, maybe that's why Dyche and Garlick are not talking.

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Re: New Gibson interview

Post by Hipper » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:35 pm

Papabendi wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:14 pm
The "complete professional" Gibson was scything down our own players in training by the end. He had to go.

The logic of spending club record money on a position that technically didn't need strengthening in that way - that's another story.
Where do you get this story of 'scything down' players in training?

After Keane left we were mostly demanding a fourth centre back and one that could replace Mee or Tarkowski on a permanent basis if required. All we had were those two and Long. It seemed a good buy for those reasons.

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Re: New Gibson interview

Post by Loyalclaret » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:39 pm

NottsClaret wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:15 pm
I suppose it just comes down to him thinking he'd do a better job than Tarks or Mee. And Dyche didn't think he would.

Makes you wonder why we broke our transfer record for someone who'd be a bench warmer, barring injuries. You can't really blame Gibson for coming, he's obviously going to back himself to be good enough to get in the side, even if that didn't turn out to be the case.

The most worrying thing about that interview is where he talks about himself in the third person. Never a good sign.
That was the part Loyalclaret picked up too
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Re: New Gibson interview

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Re: New Gibson interview

Post by JohnMac » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:43 pm

I'm sure we are all aware Ben Mee was stalling on a contract at the time and maybe the Club were planning on him leaving. We will probably never know.

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Re: New Gibson interview

Post by BurnleyFC » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:51 pm

Get Gibbo recalled in January and let jug ears move to West Ham!
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Re: New Gibson interview

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:00 pm

Hipper wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:35 pm
Where do you get this story of 'scything down' players in training?

After Keane left we were mostly demanding a fourth centre back and one that could replace Mee or Tarkowski on a permanent basis if required. All we had were those two and Long. It seemed a good buy for those reasons.
Wasn’t the rumour Gibson injured Lowton just after new year which was behind the reason to get rid. Sounds like a massive baby and the irony is he wound here probably started this season if he hadn’t spat his dummy out. Don’t really get some of the above comments in that he should have been treated differently as he was our record signing.
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Re: New Gibson interview

Post by Winstonswhite » Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:06 pm

When you list Dyches 10 million + record signings: Wood, Gibson, Brady and Hendrick, it doesn’t make the best reading does it?

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Re: New Gibson interview

Post by claret2018 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:14 pm

Makes you wonder if he’ll be back next season if Dyche has gone by then.

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Re: New Gibson interview

Post by TVC15 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:16 pm

Winstonswhite wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:06 pm
When you list Dyches 10 million + record signings: Wood, Gibson, Brady and Hendrick, it doesn’t make the best reading does it?
Gibson - no
Wood - regularly our leading scorer and his record compares very favourably to many strikers in a similar price bracket. If you want a striker in this league who is going to score consistently between 15 and 20 a season rather than between the 10 and 13 or 14 Wood does then you probably need to be playing at least double what we paid for Wood (at least)
Brady - not worked out but the bad injury was a major factor
Hendrick - a regular for 4 years who played in a number of different positions for Dyche. Not sure how you can argue he was not worth the £10m or so we paid for someone who played as much as Hendrick in a team that had the success we did during the period he was at the club.
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Re: New Gibson interview

Post by BurnleyFC » Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:17 pm

Winstonswhite wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:06 pm
When you list Dyches 10 million + record signings: Wood, Gibson, Brady and Hendrick, it doesn’t make the best reading does it?
50% success rate isn’t too shabby. It’s hardly like £10m is a gigantic sum these days.

Wood has been well worth it and we got good value for money out of Hendrick.

Gibson, I still think there is a good player in there although probably no longer for us but Brady has been poor.

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Re: New Gibson interview

Post by Winstonswhite » Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:21 pm

All about opinions but I could name a dozen if not more of Dyches’ signings that have been more successful (except Wood) and cost 5 million or less.

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Re: New Gibson interview

Post by TVC15 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:29 pm

Winstonswhite wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:21 pm
All about opinions but I could name a dozen if not more of Dyches’ signings that have been more successful (except Wood) and cost 5 million or less.
Yep of course you can - nobody would argue with that. In the same way that some are inclined to regularly bring up signings like Wells, Walters, Sordell etc which were less than £5m and did not work out.

But the point is that for Dyche or for any manager it’s their overall transfer record that needs to be judged - and that all managers will have successes and failures. We are lucky that SD has one of the best records of net transfer spend in this league over a sustained period (if not THE best)

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Re: New Gibson interview

Post by jrgbfc » Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:54 pm

He might yet have the last laugh if we're swapping places with them at the end of the season.

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Re: New Gibson interview

Post by tiger76 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:13 pm

The best outcome for us is he does well at Norwich, and they get promoted, if we can recoup the £8m as rumoured, and get a big wage earner off the books that's a success in my view, whether we stay up or not that money would be more than handy in the present climate.

Alas it appears Gibson's burnt his bridges with BFC, some of that was down to ill luck, but equally some of it was self-inflicted, and his general attitude meant we had to get rid however we could, and Norwich were apparently the only takers on offer, so we need to cheer them on this season.

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Re: New Gibson interview

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:17 pm

How much did we pay for Andre Gray? He was a very good signing by Dyche.
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Re: New Gibson interview

Post by TVC15 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:35 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:17 pm
How much did we pay for Andre Gray? He was a very good signing by Dyche.
From memory it was £6m initially which rose to £9m on promotion.

We got £18.5m for him from Watford.

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Re: New Gibson interview

Post by tiger76 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:35 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:17 pm
How much did we pay for Andre Gray? He was a very good signing by Dyche.
Not certain, but I think it was about £6m up front, with the rest dependent on promotion, all in he's supposed to have cost about £9m, and as you say we got plenty of value for our money, he fired us to the title, and helped keep us up the following season, before we doubled our money when he moved to Watford, so yes you can definitely class Andre as a very good signing. :)

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Re: New Gibson interview

Post by TVC15 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:37 pm

Come on Tiger - do keep up !

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Re: New Gibson interview

Post by jurek » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:47 pm

It's a pity it didn't work out for Gibson and for the club too.
Didn't have a lot of luck - be it with injuries or being able to establish himself.
And then something relatively serious must have happened for him and
the club to get into the position we ended up in.

Had he been able to then he might still be at the club
and making a contribution. As it is we could have done with him
given the injuries and Tarks scenario.
Tarks may have been allowed to leave had Gibson
stayed and we'd be 30+m better off.

Water under the bridge, I know.

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Re: New Gibson interview

Post by warksclaret » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:08 pm

Winstonswhite wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:06 pm
When you list Dyches 10 million + record signings: Wood, Gibson, Brady and Hendrick, it doesn’t make the best reading does it?
Need to look at the bigger picture.The last season we got promoted without all the non-sense of a white elephant, all singing all dancing Technical/Recruitment Analytical team of now (with knobs on), Dyche & McParland chose to go for Gray & Barton for a sum of £8m. I bet my house, that these two were key in us getting promotion-without them we would in my opinion have not gone up. That move has secured us around £800m.No other manager in the PL would have touched Joey with a barge pole

If we had a modern day Joey today we would not be staring the bottom of the table. This guy was on a mission with us and SD made it happen
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Re: New Gibson interview

Post by Burnleyareback2 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:27 pm

Seem to remember hundreds of posts on here demanding another CH, people claiming it would be a disaster to go into the new season with just Tarks, Mee and Longs.

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Re: New Gibson interview

Post by EarbyClaret » Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:54 pm

The rumoured training ground incident I heard about involved Bardsley so not sure if there's some confusion as to whether it was him or Lowton - maybe it was both/separate incidents - if there's any truth in either story difficult to see how he could continue to be part of the group regardless of any other on-field considerations

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Re: New Gibson interview

Post by CFS » Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:43 pm

Haven't read the article but I guess he mentioned how tough a night he had facing will grigg in the cup loss to Sunderland or was it all about him and the world against him?

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Re: New Gibson interview

Post by aggi » Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:00 am

Papabendi wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:14 pm
The "complete professional" Gibson was scything down our own players in training by the end. He had to go.

The logic of spending club record money on a position that technically didn't need strengthening in that way - that's another story.
I think the first half dozen games of this season has shown it was a position that did need strengthening.

It's just a shame that the relationship deteriorated beyond rescue when we actually needed him.

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Re: New Gibson interview

Post by dsr » Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:02 am

Tarkowski was at the club for 18 months before he got into the first team.

Gibson was at the club for 18 months before he left in a (presumed) sulk because he hadn't yet got into the first team. If he hadn't left, he would be in the team now IMO and Tarkowski would have left. (No, I don't believe that left sided centre halves are unable to play on the right.)
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Re: New Gibson interview

Post by MACCA » Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:19 am

tiger76 wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:13 pm
The best outcome for us is he does well at Norwich, and they get promoted, if we can recoup the £8m as rumoured, and get a big wage earner off the books that's a success in my view, whether we stay up or not that money would be more than handy in the present climate.
The best scenario for me would be he has a blinding season as Norwich finish 3rd, stay down and rather than the 8m agreed fee with them, another club take him off our hands for 12m :D

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Re: New Gibson interview

Post by MACCA » Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:21 am

As for people saying we spent 15m on a back up CB, it was looking like he would have been first choice with Mee not havinging signed a new contract.

Burnley never have and never would under this board buy a player for 15m for him to sit on the bench or be "back up"

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Re: New Gibson interview

Post by AfloatinClaret » Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:45 am

Burnleyareback2 wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:27 pm
Seem to remember hundreds of posts on here demanding another CH, people claiming it would be a disaster to go into the new season with just Tarks, Mee and Longs.
Recalling what people said before an event and then using it to question their expert hindsight; is that actually permitted on the forum, or just considered bad manners? ;)

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Re: New Gibson interview

Post by Dy1geo » Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:09 am

dsr wrote:
Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:02 am
Tarkowski was at the club for 18 months before he got into the first team.

Gibson was at the club for 18 months before he left in a (presumed) sulk because he hadn't yet got into the first team. If he hadn't left, he would be in the team now IMO and Tarkowski would have left. (No, I don't believe that left sided centre halves are unable to play on the right.)
I get your point but Tarks was on the way up as they say having gone from Oldham to Brentford then us plus we had an on fire Keane and Mee for him to get past probably knowing Keane would be sold.

Gibson being a club captain of Middlesbrough an England cap and our record signing would rightly so think he should get in the side especially after our poor start that year and no one will know what was said to him to persuade him to sign.

For what it’s worth I think definitely a clash of ego’s and hopefully one Dyche will have learned from for if he were to move on to a “bigger club” he will have more of Gibson type of players than Kevin Long ones.

Best outcome would be for us to stay up, a weak Norwich get promoted and we use the sale proceeds wisely

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Re: New Gibson interview

Post by Jakubclaret » Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:15 am

dsr wrote:
Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:02 am
Tarkowski was at the club for 18 months before he got into the first team.

Gibson was at the club for 18 months before he left in a (presumed) sulk because he hadn't yet got into the first team. If he hadn't left, he would be in the team now IMO and Tarkowski would have left. (No, I don't believe that left sided centre halves are unable to play on the right.)
18 mths is a long time to wait to break into any team for a player of that stature, if we was talking about a really young player & an elite team then maybe, if you've got aspirations about career advancement you simply need to playing week in & week out & not a second fiddle.

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Re: New Gibson interview

Post by dsr » Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:30 am

Jakubclaret wrote:
Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:15 am
18 mths is a long time to wait to break into any team for a player of that stature, if we was talking about a really young player & an elite team then maybe, if you've got aspirations about career advancement you simply need to playing week in & week out & not a second fiddle.
True. But it doesn't justify doing what Gibson did. Which I don't know what it was, but if it's something that the club decided it was better for BFC to pay him tens of thousands per week to clear off rather than pay him tens of thousands per week to be a sub to be called on as required, then it can't have been trivial.

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Re: New Gibson interview

Post by dsr » Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:32 am

Dy1geo wrote:
Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:09 am
I get your point but Tarks was on the way up as they say having gone from Oldham to Brentford then us plus we had an on fire Keane and Mee for him to get past probably knowing Keane would be sold.

Gibson being a club captain of Middlesbrough an England cap and our record signing would rightly so think he should get in the side especially after our poor start that year and no one will know what was said to him to persuade him to sign.

For what it’s worth I think definitely a clash of ego’s and hopefully one Dyche will have learned from for if he were to move on to a “bigger club” he will have more of Gibson type of players than Kevin Long ones.

Best outcome would be for us to stay up, a weak Norwich get promoted and we use the sale proceeds wisely
It would certainly not have been right for him to get in the side after our poor start because he was suffering with two hernia ops. Afterwards, in the second half of the season, it's unrealistic to say that either Mee or Tarkowski should have been dropped simply because Gibson's career was suffering.

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