Maradona

[SalisburyClaret]

And it's your prerogative to believe that

Speaking for myself and most of the rest of the world - thank you

[Marney&Mee]

Lord Beamish asked me to post this...

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[Lowbankclaret]

I didn’t say that.

How 1 footballer being guilty of taking banned substances (for weight loss and breathing) can influence a football match where there’s 27 other footballer’s available to play is nonsense. If 1 Burnley player this season decided to do it. Do you really think it’d make a jot of difference to the final outcome of our season? Would Barnes suddenly have the feet of Messi?

I know cycling is a team sport of such, but each individual can influence the result far easier by taking banned substances.

I completely disagree, if the team could calm their nerves and increase performance for a full 90 minutes, that would change a teams dynamic. If they can work harder for 90 minutes and be sharper, bonus.

Lance had unusually large lungs and heart. Plus an ability to convert oxygen in his body to provide energy. That’s why he won lots of swimming comps as a boy before taking up cycling. But you need a team to win a tour. Same as a World Cup. You cannot do it alone.individual moments of brilliance like goals or a climb of a high mountain.

Bear in mind loads of new records were set for climbs in 2020, how so when the old guys were so drug fuelled. Even beating Lances times by some distance.

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/raci ... 020-468131

[Wile E Coyote]

Greatest player I have ever seen by far. I struggle to believe players in previous era's before my time could have matched him.
Debates may continue about messi and ronaldo for similar accolades, but Maradona was truly extraordinary.
RIP Diego.

[Dyched]

I completely disagree, if the team could calm their nerves and increase performance for a full 90 minutes, that would change a teams dynamic. If they can work harder for 90 minutes and be sharper, bonus.

Lance had unusually large lungs and heart. Plus an ability to convert oxygen in his body to provide energy. That’s why he won lots of swimming comps as a boy before taking up cycling. But you need a team to win a tour. Same as a World Cup. You cannot do it alone.individual moments of brilliance like goals or a climb of a high mountain.

Bear in mind loads of new records were set for climbs in 2020, how so when the old guys were so drug fuelled. Even beating Lances times by some distance.

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/raci ... 020-468131

Of course if the team all took whatever combination of things Maradona did. But they didn’t. Only he tested positive. That can’t change the out come of a football match.

[Lowbankclaret]

Greatest player I have ever seen by far. I struggle to believe players in previous era's before my time could have matched him.
Debates may continue about messi and ronaldo for similar accolades, but Maradona was truly extraordinary.
RIP Diego.

He had a natural talent he enhanced by using drugs and cheating. Not something I will ever see a positive in.

[tim_noone]

Putting the bitterness aside It's a sad day nonetheless regards a great footballer...who would have sold out any ground on the planet.

[tim_noone]

He had a natural talent he enhanced by using drugs and cheating. Not something I will ever see a positive in.

The irony....

[Lowbankclaret]

Of course if the team all took whatever combination of things Maradona did. But they didn’t. Only he tested positive. That can’t change the out come of a football match.

Well if that’s the defence, not sure how many of Lances team tested positive either, but don’t think it was very many. It was all pointed at him.
Whilst rumours of EPO and blood doping were rife, it was not proven it was wide spread. Whilst I admit Lance says it was in his book.

He even tells how two teammates died because they took so much EPO it thickened the blood so much their hearts could not pump it round and they died in their hotel rooms.

[Lowbankclaret]

The irony....

Missing your point here, sorry.

My arguments is two people took performance enhancing drugs. One loads of people on here think is the messiah the other a drugs cheat who lost everything.

[Wile E Coyote]

lowbank, for anyone who loves the game, to witness talent like Maradona had is a rarity. set aside his demons, the man was a genius. quite often the way he played was genuinely jaw dropping. It may be decades before such a talent adorns the game.

[Clarets4me]

The irony....

" He certainly injected some class into games " or was it " He certainly injected some Class A after games " ?? My wireless is on the blink ...

[tim_noone]

He had a natural talent he enhanced by using drugs and cheating. Not something I will ever see a positive in.

Except his blood/ urine sample was my point.

[joey13]

I didn’t say that.

How 1 footballer being guilty of taking banned substances (for weight loss and breathing) can influence a football match where there’s 27 other footballer’s available to play is nonsense. If 1 Burnley player this season decided to do it. Do you really think it’d make a jot of difference to the final outcome of our season? Would Barnes suddenly have the feet of Messi?

I know cycling is a team sport of such, but each individual can influence the result far easier by taking banned substances.

Yet Maradona won the World Cup and the Italian League singlehandedly

[tim_noone]

Opinions ..opinions...

[cricketfieldclarets]

Maradonna played in an era where was kicked off the park. Every player on the pitch did their best to stop him by any means. Well except shilton and Reid.

And every player known to man has cheated at some point in the game.

Enjoy his brilliance. It was a better game in those days with genuine skill, genuine tackling, passion and no var.

[Lowbankclaret]

lowbank, for anyone who loves the game, to witness talent like Maradona had is a rarity. set aside his demons, the man was a genius. quite often the way he played was genuinely jaw dropping. It may be decades before such a talent adorns the game.

Funnily as was Lance Armstrong. Just a different public outcome.

[Damo]

The GOAT in my opinion.
RIP Armando

[Lowbankclaret]

Opinions ..opinions...

It is, your opinion is one sportsman is a icon, who took drugs and cheated. But in another sport the same is a man to be destroyed. Go figure your opinion.

[Dyched]

Yet Maradona won the World Cup and the Italian League singlehandedly

Except he didn’t, did he?

So for arguments sake. McNeil takes all the cocaine and booze he can get his hands on for 5 years. Give him a few jabs of whatever Maradona took and see if Burnley win the PL in 5 years singlehandedly. It wouldn’t change a thing. It won’t give him Maradona brilliance and talent.

He took whatever he did to be able to even compete. It’s totally different to a tee total athlete taking it to gain an advantage.

[cricketfieldclarets]

It is, your opinion is one sportsman is a icon, who took drugs and cheated. But in another sport the same is a man to be destroyed. Go figure your opinion.

Have a lie down.

[Jakubclaret]

RIP fella, can't believe people are arguing in the midst of a solemn event.

[cricketfieldclarets]

RIP fella, can't believe people are arguing in the midst of a solemn event.

I can. It’s the 21st century and an Internet forum.

[Lowbankclaret]

My whole point is the hypocrisy of people.

Maradona, a great footballer who cheated and took drugs to enhance his performance.

Lance who did the same.

I see them both the same and both should be treated equally.

I do t care which way it goes. Lance gets his Tours back or Marradona is stripped of his achievements. But both the same.

[Lowbankclaret]

Have a lie down.

Don’t need one hypocrisy is hypocrisy, just some people don’t even know they are doing it.

[Devils_Advocate]

Noone gives a f*ck about Lance Armstrong though so as recommended go and have a lie down

[cricketfieldclarets]

Don’t need one hypocrisy is hypocrisy, just some people don’t even know they are doing it.

Armstrong only rode a bike for god sake. I could do that at three!

[Steve1956]

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RIP

[daveisaclaret]

My whole point is the hypocrisy of people.

Maradona, a great footballer who cheated and took drugs to enhance his performance.

Lance who did the same.

I see them both the same and both should be treated equally.

I do t care which way it goes. Lance gets his Tours back or Marradona is stripped of his achievements. But both the same.

Have they asked you to speak at the funeral?

[cricketfieldclarets]

Have they asked you to speak at the funeral?

He’s a pallbearer. They need someone who’s Armstrong or somet.

[tiger76]

Sad news for any true football fan, yes Diego had plenty of flaws, but he was one of the greats of the game. RIP Diego.

Ironic that he died 15 years to the day after another flawed genius George Best https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55075808

November 25th isn't a good day for football.

[SalisburyClaret]

Probably the best footballer of his generation but the cocaine, alcoholism, attempted murders, cheating and mafia connections rule him out of being considered one of the great sportsmen

[cricketfieldclarets]

Sad news for any true football fan, yes Diego had plenty of flaws, but he was one of the greats of the game. RIP Diego.

Ironic that he died 15 years to the day after another flawed genius George Best https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55075808

November 25th isn't a good day for football.

50 years after shilton made his England debut.

[yTib]

apples and oranges to compare an endurance athlete like armstrong and a football player like maradona.

seems like some people will go to desperate attempts to make themselves look silly on here.

anyway maradona was the best of all time for me. he burnt the candle at both ends and has ultimately paid for it.

fare well.

[tim_noone]

Noone gives a f*ck about Lance Armstrong though so as recommended go and have a lie down

Yes I really do .....and maradona also!

[Lowbankclaret]

apples and oranges to compare an endurance athlete like armstrong and a football player like maradona.

seems like some people will go to desperate attempts to make themselves look silly on here.

anyway maradona was the best of all time for me. he burnt the candle at both ends and has ultimately paid for it.

fare well.

And there you go, hero worship at its best.
Maradona can do drugs and anything he finds acceptable that leads to his death. But he is still a hero.

Another athlete because he does an endurance sport is somehow different.

Only in Burnley,

[Wile E Coyote]

armstrong was like count ******* dracula, his warped anti sport cheating was off the scale, maradona was a talented artist, his pressures ruined him as a man, but in a team game his frailties were insignificant compared to that bike bloodsucking weirdo.
anyway, to see a genius playing football was worth everything, to see some manic industrialised drug and chemical cheat on a pushbike was thoroughly dull.

[Damo]

Can you not just start a Lance Armstrong thread if you love him that much you weirdo

[THEWELLERNUT70]

The Greatest for me bar none. I even was lucky enough to see him play once for Barcelona in a thriller at Old Trafford

RIP Diego

[Bop]

There’s right and there’s wrong.
Maradona was a wrong ‘un.

Decent footballer - yeah, ok. He was good in that respect.
I can’t respect cheats. Especially those who go on to revel in it.

[harpers_perm]

Decent footballer - yeah, ok. He was good in that respect.

Jesus Christ.

[Bop]

He was good.

[charlyt]

Hello,my son, what is your name?"
"My name SIr, is Diego Maradona."
"And what did you do on earth my son?"
"I was a footballer Sir."
" Were you successful as a footballer Diego?"
"I was Sir,
I was responsible for scoring the goal that contributed to Argentina winning the World Cup" of football in 1986."
"Very good my son."
"Sir the goal I scored became known as 'The Hand of God.'"
"And why did it become known as that Diego?"
"Well Sir, I actually scored the goal by hitting it with my fist."
"And is that not allowed my son?"
"It is not Sir, but I got away with it and the goal stood."
"Well, my son, you will be made most welcome here, this is the place for you Diego,
By the way my son, my name is Mephistopheles, but you may know me as Satan.
Welcome and please enter."

[dermotdermot]

This thread should close now. I never liked him but he has had a fairly tortured life and should just be laid to rest.

RIP.

[Buxtonclaret]

Huge name in football.
Great player.
R.I.P

[Shaggy]

Everyone has some sort of baggage, Whether you like him or not Maradona was a genius and up there in the top 3 players of all time.

I think we should remember him for all his successes rather than his demons.

[Hibsclaret]

For all the usual negative comments on here you have to realise that very few people live in the public eye as much as someone like Maradona. The bloke was born in a slum and had to get used to absolute ridiculous levels of attention wherever he went from a very early age. He is probably just the type of person that wanted to please everyone and was obviously manipulated by the likes of the drug lords in Italy. He probably had similar levels of attention to the likes of Princess Diana who equally found life difficult at times (in a different way). It is only a handful of people that can understand the levels of pressure.

As for his football ability it was absolutely magical and he was a genius, no doubt about that. Sad day.

[tim_noone]

Just don’t comment. This is a thread to respect one of the greatest footballers of all time.

Exactly......

[Pstotto]

Of course the former girlfriend and now Buddhist nun who chided George Best saying you won't find happiness in material things... 'That's desire and grasping'.

[jrgbfc]

Unbelievable talent, and from an era when football had genuine characters, rather than clones who all have identical tattoos and do exactly as their agents tell them.