Bahrain Grand Prix

[Lowbankclaret]

Great post Zlatan.

Apart from the fact it’s not factually correct.

[NewClaret]

No, I’m afraid you are wrong, they are not designed for high speed head on impacts like we saw today and replacing Armco with concrete blocks in the same place was asking for a death to happen.

The highest speed that any car can take for a head on impact into a solid object (concrete block) is approximately 65mph where the crumple zone becomes ineffective in preventing a fatality from head trauma (where the momentum of the brain mass accelerating inside the skull results in severing the spinal column)

What they needed on that section of the track is something to increase the deceleration of a car safely (tyre wall) should the car end up going in head on, not a concrete block.

Was going to ask this & was the first thing that came to my mind... why no tyre walls there?

[Dyched]

We will have to agree to disagree.
Romain hit that barrier at 145 mph and stopped almost instantly. Not only did he not suffer head trauma, he was conscious enough to get out of the crash in a ball of flames.

Those barriers are only placed on straights for a reason. Corners or bends etc have run offs, tyre barriers or other kind of barriers because chances of high impact crashed are far more likely. Freak incidents like today and also last season in one if the support categories that they aren’t designed for that kind of impact. There was also talk of reverse tracks this season but it would involve far to much work to redesign the barriers as certain ones have to be placed in certain areas around the track. A track like Monaco is lined with those barriers as it isn’t a high speed circuit. But still on certain corners and bends there are tyre walls because they’re safer and absorb the impact. You don’t want to stop a car instantly, it has to be absorb. There was talk of conveyor belt type barriers coming in and after today I don’t think it’ll be long before we see them.

[Zlatan]

We will have to agree to disagree.
Romain hit that barrier at 145 mph and stopped almost instantly. Not only did he not suffer head trauma, he was conscious enough to get out of the crash in a ball of flames.

Yes, we’ll have to agree to disagree because I’m afraid you are very wrong (again). For info, the fact there was Armco there, and that it wasn’t a directly head on means that a large amount of energy from the impact was absorbed enabling him to walk away like he did. IF (and it is a big IF) the impact was head on and into concrete blocks (like they placed there) he would be dead.

Edit, I don’t need to justify my specialist knowledge in this subject

[Dyched]

Was going to ask this & was the first thing that came to my mind... why no tyre walls there?

Because the chances of a head on collision is extremely unlikely down a straight so to speak. If you imagine a car normally going off parallel into the barrier the car would slowly stop by hitting and sliding along the barrier until it stop. If the same thing happened into a tyre wall the car could spin and come back on track.

All in all, side impacts are better against that type of fence as opposed to a tyre wall. A head on collision is better on a tyre wall as opposed to the type of fence he hit today. It’s all about the racing line etc and what’s most likely to occur along a certain part of track.

[Steve1956]

Yes, we’ll have to agree to disagree because I’m afraid you are very wrong (again). For info, the fact there was Armco there, and that it wasn’t a directly head on means that a large amount of energy from the impact was absorbed enabling him to walk away like he did. IF (and it is a big IF) the impact was head on and into concrete blocks (like they placed there) he would be dead.

Edit, I don’t need to justify my specialist knowledge in this subject

Great post Zlatan

[NewClaret]

Because the chances of a head on collision is extremely unlikely down a straight so to speak. If you imagine a car normally going off parallel into the barrier the car would slowly stop by hitting and sliding along the barrier until it stop. If the same thing happened into a tyre wall the car could spin and come back on track.

All in all, side impacts are better against that type of fence as opposed to a tyre wall. A head on collision is better on a tyre wall as opposed to the type of fence he hit today. It’s all about the racing line etc and what’s most likely to occur along a certain part of track.

Informative post. Thanks.

[Lowbankclaret]

Yes, we’ll have to agree to disagree because I’m afraid you are very wrong (again). For info, the fact there was Armco there, and that it wasn’t a directly head on means that a large amount of energy from the impact was absorbed enabling him to walk away like he did. IF (and it is a big IF) the impact was head on and into concrete blocks (like they placed there) he would be dead.

Edit, I don’t need to justify my specialist knowledge in this subject

Sorry Zlatan he hit that head on at 140 mph.

[Steve1956]

Sorry Zlatan he hit that head on at 140 mph.

He hit it side on...it quite obvious if you look closely

[taio]

He hit it side on...it quite obvious if you look closely

Didn't look side on to me.

[Lowbankclaret]

He hit it side on...it quite obvious if you look closely

Really!!!

[Steve1956]

Didn't look side on to me.

Ok your entitled to your view......speccy!

[taio]

Ok your entitled to your view......speccy!

I think it's you who could do with the spectacles

[Steve1956]

I think it's you who could do with the spectacles

Ok Speccy!

[Zlatan]

Sorry Zlatan he hit that head on at 140 mph.

Not head on, about 45 degree angle, also you ignore my reference to the Armco absorbing a lot of the energy (as designed).

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When I’m not working from home I walk past this place every day on the way into the office, I work in there too on occasion.
https://www.cranfield.ac.uk/facilities/ ... act-centre

You keep believing yourself as per normal though eh

[Lowbankclaret]

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If that’s a side impact you need glasses or a whole different perspective on life.

[Lowbankclaret]

Not head on, about 45 degree angle, also you ignore my reference to the Armco absorbing a lot of the energy (as designed).

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When I’m not working from home I walk past this place every day on the way into the office, I work in there too on occasion.
https://www.cranfield.ac.uk/facilities/ ... act-centre

You keep believing yourself as per normal though eh

That photo is a long way before impact.

[Zlatan]

That photo is a long way before impact.

No, it the exact frame immediately before impact

[Herts Clarets]

Not head on, about 45 degree angle, also you ignore my reference to the Armco absorbing a lot of the energy (as designed).

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When I’m not working from home I walk past this place every day on the way into the office, I work in there too on occasion.
https://www.cranfield.ac.uk/facilities/ ... act-centre

You keep believing yourself as per normal though eh

I go past there on a regular basis

[Steve1956]

Side on without a doubt,probably if he hit it head on the halo would have failed and Grosjean would have been decapitated

[Lowbankclaret]

It’s ok you live in a different reality world to me .

Your happy with it and that’s ok. It’s just not reality.

Enjoy.

[Lowbankclaret]

Side on without a doubt,probably if he hit it head on the halo would have failed and Grosjean would have been decapitated

Can you not even see the picture?? To a normal human it’s kinda obvious it was head on.

[Steve1956]

It’s ok you live in a different reality world to me .

Your happy with it and that’s ok. It’s just not reality.

Enjoy.

Will do,make sure you book that opticians appointment..your eyes are very important

[taio]

It certainly wasn't side on. Right across the media it is being reported as head on impact.

[Steve1956]

Can you not even see the picture?? To a normal human it’s kinda obvious it was head on.

To be honest mate I haven't seen it ,I just like plssing you off disagreeing with you

[Dyched]

It’s pretty obvious the front of the car hit the barrier, hence head on. The car doesn’t have to hit it absolutely dead straight for it to be a head on collision. You can see in the photos his right wheel hit first, pierced the fence and the rest followed unfortunately.

I side impact the car simply wouldn’t have gone through the fence and most certainly would’t have chopped the car cleanly in half.

[tarkys_ears]

Yeah he's definitely confirming himself as a troll...

No one could be this stupid in real life.

[Zlatan]

Clearly not a direct head on, probably even more acute than the 45 degrees I mentioned earlier. It’s clear from the skid marks.

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[Lowbankclaret]

To be honest mate I haven't seen it ,I just like plssing you off disagreeing with you

To be fair, it’s not working. I am so chilled now I am retired you would have to really do some serious **** to **** me off.

[Lowbankclaret]

Clearly not a direct head on, probably even more acute than the 45 degrees I mentioned earlier. It’s clear from the skid marks.

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Yea whatever. You think a 45 degree impact would penetrate an Armco barrier. The photo I posted clearly shows he hit head on. Your continued posting is just making you look stupid. But feel free to carry on.

[Steve1956]

Clearly not a direct head on, probably even more acute than the 45 degrees I mentioned earlier. It’s clear from the skid marks.

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Exactly

[Steve1956]

Yea whatever. You think a 45 degree impact would penetrate an Armco barrier. The photo I posted clearly shows he hit head on. Your continued posting is just making you look stupid. But feel free to carry on.

Chill bro..your retired,no work tomoz!!!

[Steve1956]

Clearly not a direct head on, probably even more acute than the 45 degrees I mentioned earlier. It’s clear from the skid marks.

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If that's a head on crash ..Grosjean was driving a tricycle!

[Lowbankclaret]

Chill bro..your retired,no work tomoz!!!

Or ever.

[Lowbankclaret]

If that's a head on crash ..Grosjean was driving a tricycle!

Or you don’t understand what head on is.

[tarkys_ears]

Yeah... proper side on this was

[Steve1956]

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Or you don’t understand what head on is.

Posted twice once for each blind eye you have!

[tarkys_ears]

Yeah... proper side on this was

Ooh I'm good with them lines.

I should be a VAR ref

[Fenwick]

I don't care what angle it was. The man walked away. Thank God

[Lowbankclaret]

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Posted twice once for each blind eye you have!

Well that’s after the impact.a side impact would have seen the whole car sliding down the track . But let’s not get facts in the way of your fiction.

[Dyched]

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Posted twice once for each blind eye you have!

You need the bear in mind that the bottom on of those 3 tyre tracks in from his left rear wheel. So the 2 above that are from his front 2 wheels. The car wasn’t in a normal rolling drive at that point. The brakes were applied but he simple gliding across the sand. All that in mind that car was far more head on than side on.

[Lowbankclaret]

You need the bear in mind that the bottom on of those 3 tyre tracks in from his left rear wheel. So the 2 above that are from his front 2 wheels. The car wasn’t in a normal rolling drive at that point. The brakes were applied but he simple gliding across the sand. All that in mind that car was far more head on than side on.

Agreed

[Steve1956]

Well that’s after the impact.a side impact would have seen the whole car sliding down the track . But let’s not get facts in the way of your fiction.

[Lowbankclaret]

Like you said you only disagree to p1ss
me off. Plus it didn’t work. Going figure

[Bosscat]

Ffs his car hit the Armco, broke in half, the section he was in burst into flames as it went through the Armco barrier, he go out and jumped (with help from the safety /medical crew) over and walked away....

Why argue about what position the car was at impact... all that needs saying is the F1 car designers have built something bloody amazing...

Grosjean is a very very lucky boy.

Stop arguing ffs

[Zlatan]

Note to self...

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There are some posters on this forum who will argue the sky is red and the earth is flat just because they want to have an argument - well feel free to carry on. I know im a subject matter expert in this instance, so knock yourself out pal.

[Steve1956]

Ffs his car hit the Armco, broke in half, the section he was in burst into flames as it went through the Armco barrier, he go out and jumped (with help from the safety /medical crew) over and walked away....

Why argue about what position the car was at impact... all that needs saying is the F1 car designers have built something bloody amazing...

Grosjean is a very very lucky boy.

Stop arguing ffs

Side on Bro!

[Lowbankclaret]

Note to self...

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There are some posters on this forum who will argue the sky is red and the earth is flat just because they want to have an argument - well feel free to carry on. I know im a subject matter expert in this instance, so knock yourself out pal.

Great post Zlatan, everyone can see what happened and judge. It’s so obvious from the footage what happened.

[Lowbankclaret]

So the side of the car hit the armco. The result of that is the whole front of the tub penetrated the Armco and the rear half broke off.

[tarkys_ears]

Now we know he's OK, can we talk about what an idiot he is?

Why on earth would you make a move like that with the pack as it was on the third corner, diving across the track at 150mph... Edit : When in all likelyhood he'd have come well outside the points had he finished the race, if not last. Why try kill yourself?

Grosjean has had his share of luck, I suspect it's run out today. Needs to go home and look after his kids and live a long life.